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The Renault VRT Rip-off begins! Who Will Follow?

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    #32
    Bluefoam
    Registered Users Posts: 7,740 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    Surely if you are buying a car, you will compare the price with other similar cars from differnt brands. If the car you want doesn't compare favourably, don't buy it...


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    #33
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Bee wrote: »
    You are paid by Renault fo rposting that nonsense then?

    Why dont you explain how it's nonsense instead of just throwing insults around? It was known and posted about here when the Laguna was launched(price)

    Then maybe come up with an amusign response (it's bound to be given the rest of your posts in the thread) to Coln's last post.

    How about one for my comparison of a shop having a sale?

    If you've been buying diesels for years you'll be well aware that diesels are dearer with all makes.
    Why is it price gouging to charge more for a diesel? Why is it not price gouging to charge more for a 1.8 petrol over a 1.6?


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    #34
    JHMEG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    Stekelly wrote: »
    Why is it price gouging to charge more for a diesel? Why is it not price gouging to charge more for a 1.8 petrol over a 1.6?
    The diesel will have no extras. The 1.8 will over the 1.6.

    I asked an Opel salesman a while back about the 1.3 Astra vs the 1.4 Astra. He said the equipment is identical but the diesel is 3 grand dearer.


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    #35
    Guy:Incognito
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    JHMEG wrote: »
    The diesel will have no extras. The 1.8 will over the 1.6.

    .


    Not nessecarily. If you buy the same model in both the only difference should be the engine. Differences may come in when , as some manufacturers do, they dont offer the base spec in the larger engine.

    Just checked the Renault site and the Scenic in 1.4 and 1.6 Dynamique has a €1500 price difference.
    The Mondeo carries a €3k premium for diesel in LX spec over the 1.6 petrol. Theres a 3.5k increase in the 2.0 over the 1.6 in the petrol estate, why no outrage?

    Anyway, I dont see what the issue is with diesel being dearer or cheaper. Your not buying the same thing as if your buying it with a petrol engine so why do people expect it to be the same price?


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    #36
    Green Hornet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭Green Hornet


    Bee wrote: »
    Actually a good point, anyone who buys a Laguna anyway has to be a total dick!
    Dead right!:D


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    #37
    BrianD3
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    Bee wrote: »
    You are paid by Renault fo rposting that nonsense then?
    No, but if I see a silly twat posting bullsh*t, I'll pull them up on it.

    Intsead of posting sensationalist crap about RIP OFF RENAULT why don't you look at the facts. The Laguna was thousands cheaper than its competitors, the reasons for this have been explained already and not just by me. (I suppose E92 works for Renault as well does he)

    Now the expected increase has happened and the car is still cheaper than its rivals. It's 2 grand less than the cheapest diesel passat, 1 grand cheaper than the cheapest diesel 407. So now who's ripping people off.

    As for needing to be a d1ck to own a Laguna - what do you drive then. Maybe I'll go through your posting history andd see if you;ve mentioned what you drive and fling a few insults around.


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    #38
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 65,423 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Bee wrote: »
    anyone who buys a Laguna anyway has to be a total dick!

    Bee nice or bee banned!

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    #39
    Bee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭Bee


    unkel wrote: »
    Bee nice or bee banned!

    Apologies about being blunt!

    How about based upon the known reliability ratings vis-a-vis the JD Power survey's and many others Laguna's have a very poor rating in comparision to many other models in the same range from other manufacturers

    JD Power 200712 Renault Laguna
    Rating 78.6%
    Overall ranking 65th=
    Like the Mondeo, the Laguna rated as below average in just two categories. Owners' complaints centred on the high running costs and the interior build quality. On top of that, no other car in the class had as many problems with its transmission.


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    #40
    Bee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭Bee


    Stekelly wrote: »

    Anyway, I dont see what the issue is with diesel being dearer or cheaper. Your not buying the same thing as if your buying it with a petrol engine so why do people expect it to be the same price?

    Look at my original post and you can see that Renault upped their price for April and then said they were reducing it as a "Special offer" but as it turns out back to what it was in February/March

    If you think that is a good way of selling fair enough I call it a blatent rip-off and they are not passing on the vrt reduction because of it.

    If you want to have a pop at what i drive go ahead but I would like you to keep to the original post we have 4 cars at home and I drivetwo of them (not I might add simultaneously!) obviously we are a family

    A Honda Accord 2,2, diesel
    A Volvo Luxo Barge c70

    Anyone else spot anyone like Renault being naughty?


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    #41
    BigglesMcGee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 501 ✭✭✭BigglesMcGee


    Mate of mine in RTE told me Prime Time are watching this whole VRT and price changes very closely. They have a special in the pipeline.


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    #42
    Bee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭Bee


    Bluefoam wrote: »
    Surely if you are buying a car, you will compare the price with other similar cars from differnt brands. If the car you want doesn't compare favourably, don't buy it...

    Good post, but if someone sold you a pint of Guinness on Monday and knew the tax was going down at the weekend, then cynically and artificially increased the price for the rest of the week and then pretended to reduce the price because of the tax decrease back to Monday' price you would take your business elsewhere!

    Of if you didn't I will be happy to sell you several items:D


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    #43
    Bee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭Bee


    BigglesMcGee wrote: »
    Mate of mine in RTE told me Prime Time are watching this whole VRT and price changes very closely. They have a special in the pipeline.


    Fair dues...send them a link!


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    #44
    BrianD3
    Registered Users Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Bee wrote: »
    Good post, but if someone sold you a pint of Guinness on Monday and knew the tax was going down at the weekend, then cynically and artificially increased the price for the rest of the week and then pretended to reduce the price because of the tax decrease back to Monday' price you would take your business elsewhere!

    Of if you didn't I will be happy to sell you several items:D
    Are you retarded? There's no artificial price increase the CAR INCREASED TO THE PRICE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT ALL ALONG AND EVEN AT THIS HIGHER PRICE WAS STILL CHEAPER THAN MUCH OF THE OPPOSITION.

    Now it's come down again in anticipation of the new regs and you're still moaning. Do you also moan when you see a pair of shoes in a sale, see them go back up to the normal price and then come back down again in a subsequent sale.

    I can see how Renault have made a mistake here, they should have anticipated that this changing around of prices would confuse stupid people.

    However when the Laguna III was launched the new VRT regs had not been announced and as already stated several times there was no 1.6 engine which would have been the biggest seller in the Irish market. So they reduce the price of the 1.5 DCi as a temporary measure. Then budget day comes - big changes, the VRT on the 1.5 DCi Laguna is set to drop significantly, there is now no need for a 1.6. But Renault are already selling the DCi at a lower price. It has to go up sometime but stupid people expect the VRT reduction to apply on top of the already discounted price and ring up Joe Duffy/post on boards.ie to complain.

    And BEE, I see you have a daughter that is old enough to drive (you previously posted asking for advice about your daughter's car, funnily enough I wasted a few minutes of my time posting constructive advice for you) You'd think you'd be now old enough not to go around referring to people as "total d1cks" because of the car they drive. I wonder why you feel the need to slag off what people drive - Mid life crisis you're going through is it? The Menopause or something?


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    #45
    JHMEG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    BrianD3 wrote: »
    Are you retarded?
    That kind of comment deserves a ban imho.

    However, I can't understand how people are defending Renault's move, just because Renault said "we'll sell it cheap to begin with". I've no doubt Renault have always made a profit on it, and this is a way for them to make more profit, just like the other marques. They use the justification that it's a diesel and hence costs more. And most people are ok with that...


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    #46
    BrianD3
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    Newsflash for JHMEG: Renault is not a charity, it exists to make profit. If the Laguna diesel is too dear it will sell poorly and Renault will be forced into rethinking prices. I think it's time for you to do some reading up on market forces, capitalism etc.

    Your moaning about how diesels are too dear relative to petrols is laughable. If the petrol Laguna was closer to the diesel in price, people would be saying that Renault had hiked up the price of the petrol.:rolleyes:

    Also unless you have some inside knowledge on exactly how much it costs Renault to make a diesel Laguna relative to a petrol then most of your comments in this thread are irrelevant. And what does it matter to you whether renault make 5% or 50% profit on every Laguna.


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    #47
    JHMEG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    BrianD3 wrote: »
    Also unless you have some inside knowledge on exactly how much it costs Renault to make a diesel Laguna relative to a petrol
    Do you? For all you know it might be cheaper to make the diesel, but yet you relentlessly defend it.


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    #48
    BrianD3
    Registered Users Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    It doesn't matter whether it's cheaper to make the diesel or not. Re-read the bit about market forces.

    And who are you to decide what is excessive profit? You constantly promote/defend Honda in this forum, I suppose Honda doesn't try to maximise profits :rolleyes:


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    #49
    JHMEG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    BrianD3 wrote: »
    It doesn't matter whether it's cheaper to make the diesel or not. Re-read the bit about market forces.
    I have a problem with excessive profits and people defending those who make them.


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    #50
    BrianD3
    Registered Users Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Vote for the Socialist party so.


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    #51
    JHMEG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    More effective to vote with my wallet.


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    #52
    BrianD3
    Registered Users Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    More effective to vote with my wallet
    Better not buy any car or any other consumer goods then.


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    #53
    Stevie Dakota
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    Easy lads, Renault came in very aggressively with pricing on the 1.5dci as they had no petrol versions, the upside was getting a foothold in a fierce sector, the downside was customers perception about putting up prices when the 1.6 became available, and the VRT changes have only confused things further. However, I doubt Renault were making a loss on each sale of the 1.5dci, which does imply that the VRT changes have only increased their profits further.


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    #54
    Bluefoam
    Registered Users Posts: 7,740 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    What was the spec like on it when the price was lower?

    Was it the same as the current offer?


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    #55
    Stevie Dakota
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    Specs are unchanged as far as I know.


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    #56
    E92
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    Did Renault ever bring in the 1.6 Laguna at all then?

    Nobody seems to have picked up on the point I made about Renault and VRT savings. According to my VRT calculations, even when you put up the price, there should be another €800 minimum coming off the Laguna 1.5 dCi, and as much as €1,200 coming off the most expensive Estate 1.5 dCi.

    That I can't understand, because the other Renaults with VRT reductions exceed the price my VRT calcs guessed they would go down by(they go down by more than what the link in my sig guessed they would).

    If people think the Laguna is too dear, then don't buy it. We live in a free market economy with some sort of competition. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy the Renault. Vote with your feet if you don't like the price. This applies to any good, be it cars, TVs etc you name it.


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    #57
    TheDriver
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    Note that Bmw and MINI have put the new VRT prices on their website and honoured their claim to pass on the savings


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    #58
    colm_mcm
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    they're still charging enough though!


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    #59
    Bee
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    E92 wrote: »
    Did Renault ever bring in the 1.6 Laguna at all then?

    Nobody seems to have picked up on the point I made about Renault and VRT savings. According to my VRT calculations, even when you put up the price, there should be another €800 minimum coming off the Laguna 1.5 dCi, and as much as €1,200 coming off the most expensive Estate 1.5 dCi.

    That I can't understand, because the other Renaults with VRT reductions exceed the price my VRT calcs guessed they would go down by(they go down by more than what the link in my sig guessed they would).

    If people think the Laguna is too dear, then don't buy it. We live in a free market economy with some sort of competition. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy the Renault. Vote with your feet if you don't like the price. This applies to any good, be it cars, TVs etc you name it.


    Good and fair points you make but as VRT is not part of market forces but taxation it is very sharp and unethical practice to attempt to engage in price gouging of consumers in this way.

    A good topic for PrimeTime


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    #60
    Tragedy
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    This thread and Bee's posts make me want to stab him through the internet.

    Theres loads of evidence of Renault saying before we knew about the new VRT scheme, that the price was only temporary until the 1.6 petrol came over. Still he rabbits on on his high horse in his magical dreamworld where Renault are out to get him.

    JHMEG isnt much better.


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    #61
    JHMEG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    Point already made several times on this thread that Renault were making money at the lower price. People like you are happy for them to make even more money.


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