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Power vs Torque : Petrol vs Diesel

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    #92
    Matt Simis
    Registered Users Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    JHMEG wrote: »
    Matt, why are you so relentless in your defence of diesel?


    Hardly, Im merely trying to add balance to a lobsided thread/viewpoint. I have no love for diesel engines more than petrol (I have had one diesel engine ever, Im just lucky enough to have owned excellent engines of both type), but you specifically have made it your mission to spread fear, doubt and misinformation, be it in regard to performance or environment. Every counter-point I make has been to point out the faults of both fossil fuels*, Im far from a defender of "diesel".



    *Except when I was paraphrasing you to try and bring some sense to this via parody


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    #93
    JHMEG
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    Matt Simis wrote: »
    Every counter-point I make has been to point out the faults of both fossil fuels, Im far from a defender of "diesel".
    You seem to be trying to argue that there are little or no differences between them, performance but more so pollution wise?


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    #94
    Matt Simis
    Registered Users Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    JHMEG wrote: »
    You seem to be trying to argue that there are little or no differences between them, performance but more so pollution wise?


    Im not trying to argue anything. The reality is, as E92 pointed out, they drive quite different. They also pollute in different ways. To merely brand just one of them as lethal (thereby indirectly impling the other is not) is grossly incorrect and unethical.

    Sadly Diesel (the man and engine) had irrational detractors for the last 100 years, especially in the UK, where it is considered dirty and "cheap" almost since its inception.


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    #95
    JHMEG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    The reality is, as E92 pointed out, they drive quite different. They also pollute in different ways.
    I agree too, with diesel being worse on both counts.
    Matt Simis wrote: »
    Sadly Diesel (the man and engine) had irrational detractors for the last 100 years, especially in the UK, where it is considered dirty and "cheap" almost since its inception.
    Up until recently it has been cheap and dirty. Now it's not so cheap, but it's still far dirtier than petrol thanks to a fcuk up by the EU:

    "An American consumer can buy a super-clean Mercedes diesel today in their local dealer, while a German will have to wait until 2015 to buy something even remotely similar. There is simply no excuse for allowing Europe to lose its leadership in this area." said EU Transport & Environment Minister, Jos Dings.


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    #96
    kayos
    Registered Users Posts: 2,494 ✭✭✭kayos


    Dear Mod,

    I happened upon this thread in the hope of reading peoples view on the Torque Vs Power debate. I was horrorified to find 4 pages of usless Diesel Vs Petrol, emissions and environmental issues. Whats the world coming to allowing such amounts of off topic talk!


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    #97
    JHMEG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    kayos wrote: »
    Dear Mod,

    I happened upon this thread in the hope of reading peoples view on the Torque Vs Power debate.
    Sorry, I was hoping for power vs torque but...


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    #98
    Cionád
    Registered Users Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭Cionád


    JHMEG wrote: »
    Sorry, I was hoping for power vs torque but...

    Your signature started it. ;)


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    #99
    JHMEG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    Cionád wrote: »
    Your signature started it. ;)
    BrianD3 did in post #39 actually.


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    #100
    Robbo
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    kayos wrote: »
    Dear Mod,

    I happened upon this thread in the hope of reading peoples view on the Torque Vs Power debate. I was horrorified to find 4 pages of usless Diesel Vs Petrol, emissions and environmental issues. Whats the world coming to allowing such amounts of off topic talk!
    Leave it another half day and we'll have invoked the the relative merits of V-tec engines, the Audi R10 TDI and just about every other quasi-autistic argument of car fanboyism...


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    #101
    JHMEG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    It's VTEC, not V-tec, vtec, vtech or vtack.:p


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    #102
    siralfalot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭siralfalot


    JHMEG wrote: »
    It's VTEC, not V-tec, vtec, vtech or vtack.:p

    vtec_motiv.jpg

    :p:p:D


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    #103
    conneem-TT
    Registered Users Posts: 437 ✭✭conneem-TT


    Back on the topic a bit, I found this a good read when comparing power to torque :)

    http://www.vettenet.org/torquehp.html


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    #104
    JHMEG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    siralfalot wrote: »

    :p:p:D
    156 owners aren't in a position to poke fun at other people's cars.:p


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    #105
    siralfalot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭siralfalot


    JHMEG wrote: »
    156 owners aren't in a position to poke fun at other people's cars.:p

    meh... I have enough of a sence of humour to poke fun at my own cars on a daily basis, so i feel as though i can do so to others ;) it all lighthearted fun :D

    as for the origional argument.......

    I have two cars

    car no 1:
    Alfa 156 2.4 5cyl turbo diesel running somewhere around 200bhp
    0-60 mph just below 8 sec

    car no 2:
    Fiat Coupe 2.0 5cyl turbo petrol 220bhp
    0-60 mph 6.3 sec

    yes the diesel is quick, but like for like the petrol will always win


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    #106
    Matt Simis
    Registered Users Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    siralfalot wrote: »

    yes the diesel is quick, but like for like the petrol will always win

    Most likely, however diesel cheats, bigger engines, turbos etc! The cost of the vehicle is what puts it in whatever class and defines its competitors.


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    #107
    cbm
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    Diesel Sucks!!!:p COD4 Rocks:D


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