"English" Premier League

iregk

Just got this mailed to me, intersting view. Was sent in to teletext on the 31st March. I have the jpg if anyone wants.

"What a proud week for English football, with four of our sides still in the Champions League.

We have the American-owned, Scottish-managed Manchester United; the Russian-owned, Israeli-managed Chelsea; the Spanish-managed, American-owned Liverpool, not forgetting the French-managed Arsenal with their sole English player - a great advert for English football."

Rowley Birkin QC

Your point being? Not exactly news is it mate?

Mitch Connor

Thank god the Dutch managed Barcelona are still in with a shout. Pitty the German managed Real Madrid are humping them in the league though.

therecklessone

Meh, only 2 league titles in the last 20 years won by English managers.

Not exactly news is it?

[edit]only 2 titles[/edit]

mike65

Inter Milan played Liverpool in Milan with not a single Italian on the field, Liverpool had two Englishmen. Its the game in the 21st century.

Mike.

eZe^

Its not just the English league, its the way modern football is mate.

Tauren wrote: »

Thank god the Dutch managed Barcelona are still in with a shout.

He's hardly good enough to be classified as a 'manager', he's more of an inept monkey who stumbled upon a pot of gold.

Mitch Connor

eZe^ wrote: »

Its not just the English league, its the way modern football is mate.



He's hardly good enough to be classified as a 'manager', he's more of an inept monkey who stumbled upon a pot of gold.

...risky.

Xavi6

eZe^ wrote: »

Its not just the English league, its the way modern football is mate.



He's hardly good enough to be classified as a 'manager', he's more of an inept monkey who stumbled upon a pot of gold.

Racist

OhNoYouDidn't

The irony of posting that on boards.ie is clearly lost on that Irish fan of English football.

PHB

Indeed

Also I don't think I'd watch an English premier league, if I had to watch some sort of national league, it'd be Spanish or Brazilian I'd say.

eZe^

Xavi6 wrote: »

Racist

Hey!! Thats the last thing I implied. Im Catalan ffs.

He's a monkey in the sense that he seems to not be able to make his own decisions in the hope of clinging onto the form of a few years ago. Unless they are his own decisions, in which case he's just tactically clueless.

iregk

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

The irony of posting that on boards.ie is clearly lost on that Irish fan of English football.

I'm a fan of english football yes but above all else there is Shamrock Rovers. More a fan of Irish football than of any other brand. May have escaped your notice but this pretty much is a Premier League board. The amount of Irish football discussed on here is criminally low.

As for the questions regarding my point. Yes I'm aware Inter had no italian players on the pitch, they are however owned and managed by an Italian and their own fans have been moaning about the lack of Italian blood in there. Milan are owned and managed by Italians. Madrid and Barca are still owned by Spanish people. Thats the argument its making.

Mitch Connor

iregk wrote: »

I'm a fan of english football yes but above all else there is Shamrock Rovers. More a fan of Irish football than of any other brand. May have escaped your notice but this pretty much is a Premier League board. The amount of Irish football discussed on here is criminally low.

As for the questions regarding my point. Yes I'm aware Inter had no italian players on the pitch, they are however owned and managed by an Italian and their own fans have been moaning about the lack of Italian blood in there. Milan are owned and managed by Italians. Madrid and Barca are still owned by Spanish people. Thats the argument its making.

so the definition of a club should be the nationality of the owner? why not the manager, or the players, or (crazy as this sounds) the actual country it is in. The core of the club define who they are and what they represent - as long as the people in charge and responsible for the side understand those value and try to up hold them then I have no problem with them.

Pigman II

Football was invented in England, is represented globally by some of the biggest clubs in the world who still choose to locate themselves in England and who are still supported by loyal English ex-pats such as yourselves all around the world.

eZe^

Barca was also founded by a group of English and Swiss men.

estebancambias

Tauren wrote: »

so the definition of a club should be the nationality of the owner? why not the manager, or the players, or (crazy as this sounds) the actual country it is in. The core of the club define who they are and what they represent - as long as the people in charge and responsible for the side understand those value and try to up hold them then I have no problem with them.

So are Celtic an Irish club playing in Scotland?

*I think they are*

PHB

That would make Arsenal the most English of all the English clubs, which seems a ludicrous thing in comparison to United Liverpool or Chelsea.

Mitch Connor

estebancambias wrote: »

So are Celtic an Irish club playing in Scotland?

*I think they are*

i honestly don't kow - it would, imo, depend on the core of their support and the values they see in their club, and if their club recognises and tries to uphold those values.

I don't know what the core of the Celtic support is - are the majority of the hardcore fans Irish, or of Irish blood. If not, do the these scottish fans view the club as an Irish club? Do they view it as a Scotish club with strong irish roots that they are proud of? IMO it is the answers to those questions that define a club - a lot more so then the nationality of the owner.

The world is beomcing more and more multi-cultural, so it will become harder to define a club simply by the nationality of the people in charge or the players - clubs will be defined by their local, hard core support - until none of them can get into the stadium.

estebancambias

Ah yeah. Well I think the true Celtic fans do associate themselves with Ireland. I maybe wrong, perhaps they detest their affiliation with here, but from what I can see its an Irish/Scottish club to the core.

mike65

AC Milan was founded by a Englander Alfred Edwards (aka Alfredo Edwardio) plus a few of the top South American clubs I think.

Mike.

_blank_

Newell's Old Boys I'd imagine were formed by English people.

But they certainly aren't an "English Club".

Same way that any club that was formed by Irish People in another country wouldn't be considered to be an "Irish" Club.

esteban, do you consider Barca to be Swiss, or English (they even have a St George's cross in their crest :eek:)?

eZe^

DesF wrote: »

esteban, do you consider Barca to be Swiss, or English (they even have a St George's cross in their crest :eek:)?

The Blue-Red strip that they have is also because their founder (Gamper) was inspired by the jersey of Swiss club Fc Basel. Although other reports say it was inspired by a rugby team one of the clubs founders played for before they moved.


Oh, and St George's cross is also because St. George is the patron saint of Catalunya.

aidan24326

eZe^ wrote: »

He's hardly good enough to be classified as a 'manager', he's more of an inept monkey who stumbled upon a pot of gold.

Well he has won the Spanish title and the champions league so he must be doing something right.

eZe^

aidan24326 wrote: »

Well he has won the Spanish title and the champions league so he must be doing something right.

More to do with him inheriting a great great team thanks to shrewd signings by Joan Laporta, and the fact he had Ten Cate's to keep all the ego's in check. He's a disaster tactically and hasnt got them in good enough physical condition. He's also a terrible terrible motivator.

SectionF

Tauren wrote: »

so the definition of a club should be the nationality of the owner? why not the manager, or the players, or (crazy as this sounds) the actual country it is in. The core of the club define who they are and what they represent - as long as the people in charge and responsible for the side understand those value and try to up hold them then I have no problem with them.

Good question. I think the obvious answer is that, with a few exceptions, most of the goliaths have no national affiliation. The core of these clubs is their brand. In fact, they are brands with clubs, rather than the other way round.
Even as multinational brands, they have to be located somewhere, because, much as it is inconvenient, a product has to be produced, i.e. actual football still has to be played, regardless of the colour of the passports of the playing and management resources.
Their Englishness can't be discarded, because they have a significant minority of their support who live in that country, and because Englishness itself is a useful marketing asset with special credibility in global popular culture. But, essentially, they have no country.

monkey9

estebancambias wrote: »

So are Celtic an Irish club playing in Scotland?

*I think they are*

I hate when Celtic fans claim to be Irish thus justifying why they support them and not an Irish club. Celtic are Scottish, therefore British.
Thing is with Celtic fans, Celtic is British or Irish when it suits them. They like to claim they're an Irish club in Scotland, but then rattle out their claim to fame of being the first British club to win the European cup

Tusky

I really dont see what the problem is. Do people really want an English league with nothing but English players and managers ? How dull would that be ?

OhNoYouDidn't

Tusky wrote: »

I really dont see what the problem is. Do people really want an English league with nothing but English players and managers ? How dull would that be ?

English League won with English manager and English players but Irish fans.

Some of the ole ole's see no hypocricy about giving out about 'foreign' influnces on foreign football.

DSB

OhNoYouDidn't has really hit the nail on the head here. Why an Irish person would have an interest, either positive or negative about foreign influence in English football is highly ironic to me.

Pigman II

Which Irish people are you talking about? Where's the irony? I had presumed that anyone casting a strong opinion on this matter is an English person who has for whatever reason become a member of this site? Would you disagree?

dsmythy

Tauren wrote: »

so the definition of a club should be the nationality of the owner? why not the manager, or the players, or (crazy as this sounds) the actual country it is in. The core of the club define who they are and what they represent - as long as the people in charge and responsible for the side understand those value and try to up hold them then I have no problem with them.

Let's hope Cardiff aren't promoted. Will add to the confusion!

ziggy

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DSB

Pigman II wrote: »

Which Irish people are you talking about? Where's the irony? I had presumed that anyone casting a strong opinion on this matter is an English person who has for whatever reason become a member of this site? Would you disagree?

Yes.

Pigman II

Would you disagree strongly?

DSB

Hahahaha.

LuckyLloyd

Oh dear. So, real football fans are diehard nationalists; with political leanings that are strongly socialist and devoutly anti - capitalist? You all vote for the SWP I take it?

Sherifu

If the English aren't complaining what's the problem?