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Ho ho ho, got a good chuckle out of that one, bravo. :pac:
This ultra-feminist crap does my head in. a) its a bit of craic, cop on.. b) the motion against it was already democratically voted down by the SU, hence your getting nowhere trying to do anything about it at this stage. Get angry if you must, but get over it.
Hmmm... I dunno, I can understand what you're saying and in this case maybe you're right but sexism in UCD is pretty rampant.
Just look at the J1 poster!
Or one I seen floating around today about giving your 'YES' vote to the Lisbon Treaty. Why did that notice need a picture of a pretty girl holding two huge melons up to her chest???
Before you all start attacking me, let me just clarify that I am neither for or against Miss UCD. It's their own business if they choose to participate in my opinion. In the same sense, it is enitrely justified for students to oppose it.
The 'get over it' statement works both ways. Besides I think people are just a little annoyed with the whole thing because they imagine Miss UCD to be a pretty size six blond who's been private schooled and has a D4 address. Again, as far as I'm concerned that's their own business and I have no issues with it but from what I gather by speaking to other students, introducing competitiveness regarding beauty and popularity into an Academic arena is not a wise move. Whether that is right or wrong, it does seem to be the general notion out there.
And of course some of it is simply jealousy. I'm not denying that
Personally, I couldn't care less but I can see the two sides of the argument.0 -
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There was another one of a muscular bloke in underpants!!! Said something about increasing your potential, or something like that. They were supposed to be sexual puns (Fine Gael you minxes). But god forbid someone might be upset by them.......
Exactly, they shouldn't have shown a man in underpants! How is that politically significant? They are undermining the ability of the every UCD student. Can we not read? It suggests that the students of UCD cannot comprehend political concepts without the use of nakedness!Slightly off-topic, but my main problem with those posters would be the fact that they're fucking retarded, more so than the sexism
Agreed. On the same note however, the naked man with the guitar is a typical 'jack the lad', he is not sexualised. He simply looks like a drunken fool. It was a play on the guitar playing naked guy in New York. The woman in the J1 poster exposes most of her chest and if I remember correctly, is wearing a thong. She is instantly sexualised.The reason those Young Fine Gael posters annoy me is that they reduce an issue as important as the lisbon treaty to an issue of mellons and pants.
Furthermore it shows what YFG thinks about the ability of students to grasp political concepts. Do i really need glossy posters with stupid sexually juvenile subject matter to dumb the whole thing down to a level I can understand? No, because i'm not a retard. Warning: Treating people like idiots may backfire.
+1 Exactly!
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This seems like a double post but i wrote the above earlier and forgot to post
It's a bit silly to say that at this stage. Of course its possible but who knows what the future really holds. That said i do agree that it would be likely if they are equally skilled at the same job. That said i have no evidence to indicate that is the case today nor have i read anything to indicate that is infact the case, im going on my presumptions.You will most likely earn more than your future wife.
Is this a sexism issue or just a depressing state of affairs? Physically stronger is not something that men can change...You have less chance of being raped on campus than the female students and you are (I'd imagine) physically stronger than any woman on campus.
No i don't think anyone could claim that with a straight face. Infact there are very few areas where sexism (one way or the other) isn't ready to rear its head.Can you honestly tell me that UCD is totally free of sexism?0 -
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The original YFG poster before it was photoshopped.
(Take a look at www.greenink.blogspot.com for more hilarious versions of these posters. There's a great Angela Merkil one.)0 -
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This seems like a double post but i wrote the above earlier and forgot to post
It's a bit silly to say that at this stage. Of course its possible but who knows what the future really holds. That said i do agree that it would be likely if they are equally skilled at the same job. That said i have no evidence to indicate that is the case today nor have i read anything to indicate that is infact the case, im going on my presumptions.
Is this a sexism issue or just a depressing state of affairs? Physically stronger is not something that men can change...
No i don't think anyone could claim that with a straight face. Infact there are very few areas where sexism (one way or the other) isn't ready to rear its head.
Okay, I totally respect what you are saying and I know that taking future 'maybes' into the argument is weak but I'm just trying to show that UCD is doing nothing to help an issue that is already a plague in society. Don't get me wrong, I'm not what would be considered a die hard feminist. I have pretty liberal views on most things (though I admit, I'm pretty black and white about issues I'm very passionate about) but beauty contests mean very little to me. I just find them similar to viewing art in a gallery or looking at cars in a garage. This, as far as I am concerned is not a healthy practice due to the fact that the 'subjects' are actually real women and in this case, real, intelligent women. I take the very same view on male competitions. Of course it will happen regardless but I just can't see how it fits into an academic society. 'Miss UCD' is yet another UCD event that has caused sexist controversy. I am not insulting anybody in this thread and I am not insulting the contestants. I don't have much feeling for this issue in the first place as I think it's a waste of time and has an 'airhead' sentiment anyway. I'm just pointing out that, while it is ok to go ahead with the contest, it is equally ok to go ahead with protests against. I can see the merits and the dangers. That's all I meant to suggest.Don't think rape is the kind of sexism being discussed.
I know. You're right but I am just trying to show how constant exposure to women in a sexualised manner and the objectification of females can lead to desensitisation and in turn, cause an overall negative attitude against females. This is not the first time UCD has been questioned about sexist issues.
But yeah, I agree, rape is not directly involved in this particular case.
Well Cultured: I know, I explained it in my last post.
Also, I know you can't help being stronger, I didn't intend to offend you. Sorry if I did. I was just trying to point out why a University may not be the ideal location for such a contest0 -
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I'm not sure i agree that constant exposure to women in a sexualised manner increases a negative attitude to women or leads to more rapes (dunno if this is what you may have been implying in some shape or form, apologies if not).ou're right but I am just trying to show how constant exposure to women in a sexualised manner and the objectification of females can lead to desensitisation and in turn, cause an overall negative attitude against females.
At least it hasn't done so in my case.
I do realise what Panda was protesting against (the rules rather than the event itself) and have already agreed that i don't agree with them (i know it wasn't aimed at me. This discussion isn't just about the protest though i thought. If it is then i've been a bit off topic 0 -
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Am loving spraggs views on this thread,highly amusingThey damn well better, given the absolute mutts speaking at the protest.
As for all the whinging about the man-dominated SU, I know for a fact that many of those behind the protest used to be big movers in the SU before moving on to their hard-left crap, it's just complaining for the sake of it, manipulating facts to support their bitter views.
So far today Ive been called a pageant killjoy in the sun, told to get a life in the Times,a jealous spoilsport on spin, we might as well add mutt to that list as well
Thank you gubbie,that was exactly what the protest was about and as far as Im concerend the matter is closed as UCD will not be holding another beauty pageant on campus, particulalry not with vodafone and AIB sponsership anyways.I repeat THEY ARE NOT PROTESTING AGAINST THE PEOPLE ENTERING IT, THEY ARE PROTESTING AGAINST THE PEOPLE WHO WON'T LET THE REST ENTER, and the fact that the union is supporting this unequalness.0 -
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Am loving spraggs views on this thread,highly amusing So far today Ive been called a pageant killjoy in the sun, told to get a life in the Times,a jealous spoilsport on spin, we might as well add mutt to that list as well
Thank you gubbie,that was exactly what the protest was about and as far as Im concerend the matter is closed as UCD will not be holding another beauty pageant on campus, particulalry not with vodafone and AIB sponsership anyways.
Aren't you just great, gold star for panda :rolleyes:0 -
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