Nominations and hats in the ring for Moderatorship

F-ClassWillie

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Gotta say, living dangerously with regard to shooting conversation on this board when I'd put money on it being monitored by those higher up the food chain strikes me as a pretty terrible idea. I certainly think dedicating a subforum to it would be shooting ourselves in the foot (I know, very droll). As is, anything you want to say can go in the general shooting forum, and if it's deemed to be unsuitable there, then there certainly shouldn't be a forum of any kind dedicated to saying things that are unsuitable. With regard to the shooting humour, there have been hunting stories threads in that forum, and plenty of stories in the "How I learned about shooting" thread, so I think one of your suggestions shouldn't be considered, and the other is already catered for.

Spamming. Posts that are nonsensical will be deleted. ("Shooting Forum Charter Quote") What is nonsensical exactly, can you define it with the intention of knowing what the poster actually intended. Will the likes of Ivan be permitted to ramble on about the good old times or does his creative effort get chopped on a whim because of the nonsensical

clause. Dedicated... Shooting Humour Thread caters for this.

Soap box: To have a full debate sometimes you have to have the David Irvines
Holocaust Revisionist invited to speak.... Trinity & Late Late for example.
The web even less censorship restrictions applys, just because this forum like
similar shooting forums on the web discusses firearms does not mean Devores style ( the norm) of everyone debating on equal terms is a recipe for anarchy.

Parting Shot. This Quote is by Sparks re:reloading. "Even the worst scraps we had in here never even came near how bad things got in the real world in the past few years in Irish shooting".

dimebag249

I like Willies idea, but the shooting forum will never allow it. I'd love a forum to discuss RKBA and such, but like it or not this forum is in the sports section, and most people that shoot in this country are more concerned with the security of their sport than their civil liberties!

After hours covers the above though.. its just full trolls.

IRLConor

F-ClassWillie wrote: »

Spamming. Posts that are nonsensical will be deleted. ("Shooting Forum Charter Quote") What is nonsensical exactly, can you define it with the intention of knowing what the poster actually intended.

It's a broad definition, left open to the discretion of the moderators. For me, spamming is (roughly) restricted to posts which are either deliberately posted to gain commercial advantage or where the number of offtopic posts made by a single poster threatens to damage the content of the thread. That doesn't quite cover everything I would consider spamming but it should give you a flavour.

F-ClassWillie wrote: »

Will the likes of Ivan be permitted to ramble on about the good old times or does his creative effort get chopped on a whim because of the nonsensical clause.

Pretty much everything I've seen Ivan post would not fall under the heading of "nonsensical".

There's plenty I wouldn't personally agree with, but provided he (or anyone) else stays within the charter I'm not going to put my mod hat on and delete posts.

F-ClassWillie wrote: »

Dedicated... Shooting Humour Thread caters for this.

If it's just humour, I have no problem with this. If you're looking for somewhere where there's less moderator control and you can almost say anything, well then there's The Thunderdome for that.

F-ClassWillie wrote: »

Soap box: To have a full debate sometimes you have to have the David Irvines Holocaust Revisionist invited to speak.... Trinity & Late Late for example. The web even less censorship restrictions applys, just because this forum like similar shooting forums on the web discusses firearms does not mean Devores style ( the norm) of everyone debating on equal terms is a recipe for anarchy.

Virtually all of the controls DeVore and the other admins make here revolve around avoiding getting sued. Irish law is really bad at differentiating between authors, publishers and common carriers so if you make a comment that could get you sued Boards.ie usually gets dragged into it too.

The purpose of the charter and the moderators is to keep the discussion roughly on-topic and stop it from descending into a fight.

Outside of those constraints pretty much anything within the charter is fair game.

IRLConor

dimebag249 wrote: »

I like Willies idea, but the shooting forum will never allow it. I'd love a forum to discuss RKBA and such, but like it or not this forum is in the sports section, and most people that shoot in this country are more concerned with the security of their sport than their civil liberties!

I think one of the main reasons for considering RKBA as off-topic is to avoid the attendant hordes of trolls, whiners and nutters that would weigh in on both sides any time it came up. 99% of posts would be either "Guns are evil! Ban!" or "Outta my cold, dead hands!" and that really doesn't add anything to the debate. (If you don't believe me, search After Hours for threads on the topic.)

I'm sure that it is on-topic in the Politics or Legal Discussion provided it's kept civil and dealing with the political/legal aspects.

It wasn't me!

The portrayal of the two viewpoints got a proper laugh, cheers for that Conor. Yeah, AH has seen it a few times, and it's a pretty decent cross-section of what happens. Since RKBA is out of the question in Ireland, it's way beyond the remit of this forum, would think it would be well placed in Politics however, and would possibly even get a good discussion there.

dimebag249

That's fair enough lads. A troll free environment to discuss such issues would be nice, but I doubt there's that much of an interest in them anyway, so I'm not really complainin'. Any time RKBA or self defence is raised here it only ends in tears anyway, aside from the fact that it's in breach of the charter.

F-ClassWillie

It's a broad definition, left open to the discretion of the moderators. For me, spamming is (roughly) restricted to posts which are either deliberately posted to gain commercial advantage or where the number of offtopic posts made by a single poster threatens to damage the content of the thread. That doesn't quite cover everything I would consider spamming but it should give you a flavour. (quote
IRL Connor)

That's very Garda Speak IRL Connor. Garda (A) tells you spamm all you like son right up to the legal limit but watch for grey areas that can lead you to the final line in the sand.

The Admin......smiles on... very Doj.

Garda B..(B)...for bad cop routine, pulls your plug chopping your well crafted post.

IRLConnor, moderators need not be like the district super we all know. Guidelines needed and appreciated to stop Zero tolerance leading to the spread of Glorious Leader Syndrome.;)

Sparks

F-Class, you're completely right, being a mod is in many ways like being a Garda:

• It's a thankless job
• It puts the person who does it in the focus of everyone's second-guessing and criticism
• It doesn't pay enough (in fact, it doesn't pay anything)
• Noone sees the workload except other mods
• You get threats all the time (we were eight hours back in as mods in here before the first one arrived)

Still want to be a Glorious Leader?
:mad:

We do this because it's our way of giving something back.
And if it wasn't for some of the people who've been mods here, this forum wouldn't exist at all.
There are reasons for the rules; the powers that be are watching; and your ability to talk about the things that matter are not curtailed or censored.

F-ClassWillie

Still want to be a Glorious Leader? (quote sparks)


Good to hear you still want the job but this constant threatner who ever he is better sling his hook. Don't like it lump it, take the high road. Give him / her the red triangle so we can all tell who it is.:mad:

IRLConor

F-ClassWillie wrote: »

IRLConor, moderators need not be like the district super we all know. Guidelines needed and appreciated to stop Zero tolerance leading to the spread of Glorious Leader Syndrome.;)

Well, that's why we're accountable to the Admins. Essentially, we work for them and they can hire and fire us at will and reverse our decisions if we're not doing our job right. They're the real "Glorious Leaders".

You need to think of the charter less as the "law" of the forum and more of an expression of intent. The moderators were selected at least partly to exercise their judgement as to what does and doesn't help orderly discussion of shooting-related topics. You can't codify that in a set of rules too easily, I'm afraid.

The moderator job is part janitor, part moderator (in the debating sense) and part enforcer (of the basic rules of Boards.ie*). If at any stage anyone feels that the moderation here is unfair then start a thread in Feedback about it. If your points are polite and well made you'll see results here, if not, well, I hope you like pictures of cats.

* All the rules in the various forums on boards.ie pretty much boil down to "Be nice to each other and don't get us sued".

kowloon

Sparks wrote: »

I'll even support you as moderator, and may the great flying spaghetti monster then take mercy on your free time

Blessed be the noodly appendage

rrpc

F-ClassWillie wrote: »

Still want to be a Glorious Leader? (quote sparks)


Good to hear you still want the job but this constant threatner who ever he is better sling his hook. Don't like it lump it, take the high road. Give him / her the red triangle so we can all tell who it is.:mad:

Willie, to quote someone, you only need to put the word 'quote' in square brackets before the quote and '/quote' in square brackets at the end of the quote.

If you want to add the poster's name, you just put '=name of poster' after the first quote inside the square brackets and the job's done.

Or you can click the quote button at the bottom of the post you want to quote and it's all done for you.

It's sort of hard to read what you're saying as opposed to the person you're quoting if you don't do this.

togster

Why don't the new mods have their stars yet?

Vegeta

togster wrote: »

Why don't the new mods have their stars yet?

I thought I was the only one to notice.

Its ok though, I can confirm I now have access to S&S

togster

Vegeta wrote: »

I can confirm I now have access to S&S

Not all it's cracked up to be tbh is it?!?! I used to shoot a bit and used to hunt a lot. So i have an interest in the hunting forum. Good luck to all the new mods!! Hope you have an easy enough time of it!;)

bunny shooter

Sparks wrote: »

Got nothing to do with shooting sports or sport shooting, and given how far into loo-la land we seem to be straying these days Grizzly, I would suggest you go to the Forums forum and ask to start it. I'll even support you as moderator, and may the great flying spaghetti monster then take mercy on your free time

Most hunters use knifes and I for one have a small specialised collection.