Annoncment on RSOV

MaxForce

RSOV 16th April 2008

Just spotted this on RSOV. Will mean either we wait 6-8 weeks for our guns or ship through courier service which will mean certin customs charges and maybe more.

ED E

MaxForce wrote: »

RSOV 16th April 2008

Just spotted this on RSOV. Will mean either we wait 6-8 weeks for our guns or ship through courier service which will mean certin customs charges and maybe more.

Damn you EMS.

Beast reccomends TNT very strongly, we might be wise to go with them.

MaxForce

Just seen the other post with regards WGC. Apologisies.

kinkstr

From my experience with TNT id stay away from them. ive had 2 parcels(not airsoft) and both times theyve managed to piss me about. Once with lies of attempting to deliver, which i know they didnt and the other was them misplacing my package for 2 weeks after it got in to Ireland.

iceage

Do we think that this is still some sort of confusion as to whether we are part of the U.K.? or not. Wonder if Dr Pepper had any reply from the list od site..

MaxForce

Unforunatly on the RSOV website it says that it is under the request of the destination country but in another line it uses the term "Imitation Firearms". I dont understand why it would be OK to send them by TNT or UPS but not by EMS. Also the UK is not listed in the list of countries effected.

iceage

MaxForce wrote: »

Unforunatly on the RSOV website it says that it is under the request of the destination country but in another line it uses the term "Imitation Firearms". I dont understand why it would be OK to send them by TNT or UPS but by EMS.

!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:!!!!!!!!!!!!...speechless.

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Well this is grim

Fallschirmjager

[--SC(+)PE--] wrote: »

Well this is grim

isnt it just....

it still doesnt make sense, as Lemming pointed out in a thread on this...you cant air freight it but you can send it via ship. so anpost wont accept air but will by sea?? thats a bit oirish for me, we wont accept them, except when we do accept them...

does anyone know anyone in An Post that we could ask to see if they requested it?? i am sure they maybe a bit peeved to find a money is been rerouted to couriers..

zero19

Well the plus side is more business for the Irish retailers

TheDoc

i think i will shed some light onto this

my father is a top union official withan post, hes worked there for over 25 years.


I will query him regarding this issue and see what he can get back with me, if there was any new legislation brought about by an post, he will know. ill be back in touch within the next while, going to talk to pops

kdouglas

Cheers Doc, I'd imagine it's EMS messing things up though, rather than AnPost

zero19

I wonder why they want to reduce their business, it's a very strange situation

TheDoc

well had a chat with my dad, he says he knows nothing of it, unless its a very high administration decision that wants to be kept under wraps, it doesnt exist, or he would know.

He advised the iaa or whatever they are called, to ring the Special Delivery Service, SDS, they are the people responsible for an post parcel delivery, they can give a difinitive answer on request.

but as far as an post are concerned, if they get an airsoft package it gets delivered, dad also said an post would not have the power to just "stop" delivering parcels without it being run past government, and a ban like this would require legislation and approval.

an post is state owned and therefore government run, it would be their call.

so from my taking and my fathers ( who was kind enough to read through some threads here regarding ems)

the problem lies abroad, not in ireland

hope that gives some clarity

iceage

http://www.rsov.com/product/0/1693/p_Important-notice-to-customers-in-Argentina-Brazil-Chile-Irela.html

This was the statement posted by RSOV.

Seems to indicate that the instruction has come to them from Hong Kong Post.

Head_Hunter

Big loss in sales for RSOV, unless they can come up with a solution.

Puding

not really just get it shipped via another method for example and order containing an aeg i wanted to make prices go as follows....

UPS Express (3-6 days)
Shipping to IE : 10.3 kg €73.87


TNT Express (3-6 days)
Shipping to IE : 10.3 kg €77.62


Post Office Global Express - EMS (4-7 days)
Shipping to IE : 10.3 kg €92.65


Post Office Airmail Parcel Post (7-14 days)
Shipping to IE : 10.3 kg €66.36

Head_Hunter

I thought EMS are not shipping to Ireland either?
All those postage options are very expensive

Puding

I thought EMS are not shipping to Ireland either?

ok, hong kong post have restricted shipping of replica firearms thought there ems and airmail services

o1s1n

Remember to include a €10 handling charge on anything from UPS. And they VAT that too.

TheDoc

your also forgetting the hefty charges you always get at the door

i stopped dealing with ups after they shafted me and my father on numerous occasions resulting in a tiresome legal battle over fees which we won.

its my personal policy not to deal with couriers...only national posts...you dont get ****ed with additional fees.

Puding

Remember to include a €10 handling charge on anything from UPS. And they VAT that too.

never normally use ups myself, fedex or tnt are my shipper of choose after ems and all have there lovely 'charges' but ups are by far the worst i would say

Puding

i stopped dealing with ups after they shafted me and my father on numerous occasions resulting in a tiresome legal battle over fees which we won.

well well An Post is not exactly perfect its swings and round abouts

Head_Hunter

o1s1n wrote: »

Remember to include a €10 handling charge on anything from UPS. And they VAT that too.

UPS are very expensive overall. I bought stuff from the states before, shipped with UPS. They charge you import duty every time, so add about 30% to your order cost. Never using UPS again.

Puding

UPS are very expensive overall. I bought stuff from the states before, shipped with UPS. They charge you import duty every time, so add about 30% to your order cost. Never using UPS again.

i never get this people complain when they get customs charges THIS IS WHAT IS MENT TO HAPPEN ! just work it out before hand and factor it into your cost from the start, i can understand the 'administration fee' shoveled on by company pissing people off, but when people complain about customs it kinda gets to me.

Head_Hunter

Puding wrote: »

i never get this people complain when they get customs charges THIS IS WHAT IS MENT TO HAPPEN ! just work it out before hand and factor it into your cost from the start, i can understand the 'administration fee' shoveled on by company pissing people off, but when people complain about customs it kinda gets to me.

Do you work for UPS, are you a tax collector?

o1s1n

Head_Hunter wrote: »

Do you work for UPS, are you a tax collector?

No but he does have a point. You can't give out for a company doing what they're meant to do.

It's the extra handling charges they have that piss me off. Over all it always ends up seeming a lot more expensive than it should be.

Head_Hunter

o1s1n wrote: »

No but he does have a point. You can't give out for a company doing what they're meant to do.

It's the extra handling charges they have that piss me off. Over all it always ends up seeming a lot more expensive than it should be.

Fair enough. The handling charges are a pain since you already paid for postage, which is the handling of the packages!

Puding

Do you work for UPS, are you a tax collector?

yes wow that original, all i said was people not to stop complain about something that is ment to happen, do i like customs duty ?? no not really but its there and its something i know and plan to pay, if your buying from abroad and not paying this fees is important to you then you really need to rethink why your buying from abroad.

Puding

Fair enough. The handling charges are a pain since you already paid for postage, which is the handling of the packages!

as i posted before can not agree with that more that why i stay clear of usp myself, the thing that gets me more is when company's pay the customs for you without you knowing and then you get a invoice for the cost about 6 weeks later but thats another thread altogether

iceage

Only 2 things in life that are a definate....taxes, and Death!

Frank the Manc

does anyone know what Ireland might have in common with chile, slovenia and the other countries mentioned in Keiths press release???

Sod'o swords

We all have I's?
Bar Paraguay and Uruguay but come on, they name's are just asking for immature jokes....

TheDoc

dont want to derail the thread, but there is some points to be made on couriers that ive learnt over the years, and have numerous contacts in these companies.

When an item comes through a national post office from a european countty, you receive no additional charges. For example an item sent by italian post, and delivered by an post.

When an item comes from outside the eu, and reaches an post, a certain amount of "cages" are selected for inspection. Example, 100 cages of parcels come into a distribution office, 10 cages are selected at random, destinations inspected and charges applied. The other 90 cages go through without charge.

Due to the ebay boom, an post now checks a larger number of cages, like 40%, but this emans you have a 60% chance of getting it through uncharged.

UPS are the most notorious company for couriers. Whilst dhl and an post and an post delivery, are instructed never to return with items should a customer be present, ups do.

So if you receive an item from dhl, at the door the delivery guy might say " you owe this much blah blah blah" A simple discussion can ensue where you can get your item without paying, drivers are instructed not to return with items.

however ups are instructed to collect all outstanding fees, and if you refuse, and the item has to come back to their office, oyu also have to pay another fee for them holding it.

UPS also charge their vat according to current irish prcies. We bought a set of golf clubs brand new for 300 euro, they checked with mcguirks who retial at 1300 and that was the vat we were charged, hence the legal action.

Anyway dont want to derail the topic, just wanted to shed some light.

Golden rule

When buying online, go with the national post always, regardless of time, you save money.
Then go with tnt or dhl, or the national courier.

last resort ups

Thats what ive gone by in ten years of online retailing.

use ups in emergencies



anyway enough off topic

padmundo

Frank the Manc wrote: »

does anyone know what Ireland might have in common with chile, slovenia and the other countries mentioned in Keiths press release???

Exactly, this is all connected in some way. I think we managed to overcome the VCRA mix up already. This sounds like something else. A clear answer from EMS would be nice.

Oh and it's on the front page of Arnies....

http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/news2/

MaxForce

padmundo wrote: »

Exactly, this is all connected in some way. I think we managed to overcome the VCRA mix up already. This sounds like something else. A clear answer from EMS would be nice.

Oh and it's on the front page of Arnies....

http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/news2/

OMG RSOV have lost the plot. OK ordered a new chrono, a Meister G!7 and a blast of masks and a few batteries. Got a mail from a guy called Light saying that they had been advised by their Post Office that they would advise no longer sending guns through the post. So I said thats OK I got them befor so in this way. Light told me it was only an advisory and it would be . So I paid for my order through PayPal and was sent a tracking number. But the tracking number never showed up on HGP. Two days latter still no response. Final email threatens a PayPal dispute and I get this reply

"Sorry for my late response...I've checked with my order process team, your order has spare into two package, the first package(AEG) has sent via UPS, here is the tracking no . H******** and the entire items were rejected by post office with their new policy.....we've tried to post it twice in the same day, different time and difference branch. But with a same result.........we can send it out via TNT on tomorrow morning. So that you can sure it can arrive on time and could you send 12GBP to our paypal address as the shipping different??
Sorry for the inconvenience we caused to you Light Hk-knd.com"

Now WTF didnt they send it all together by TNT besides spliting it in two. OMG:mad:

Puding

what shipper did you select when you made the order?

MaxForce

Puding wrote: »

what shipper did you select when you made the order?

The order was placed by email and was not done on the site. He advised TNT as they had recived an advisory from Hong Kong Post that there may be problems. But now it would seem that it is not an advisory but a blanket ban. He also told me there should be no problem with the postal service as it was only an advisory and that they had not expected nor had any problems up until that point.

MaxForce

Right so UPS are now not my best friend. OK the shippment got to me in two days which is unbeliveable. Got a phone call from the driver about 30 min ago saying he had a package for and there was duty of 31.23 on it. So he arrived in a taxi to deliver it. Took my 31€ let me off with the .23c(god bless his little heart) and I asked him to explain the charges to me. He showed me a detailed breakdown of the charges which went like VAT 12.27€ Duty 2.62€ and other charges 13.50€. The VAT and Duty I can understand but I asked him about the "Other Charges" thats the service charge he tells me. All UPS packages have that on them. This is all taking into account that the gun had an invoice that declared it at $35USD. So with my fingers burnt I am waiting on my other package which is shipping by TNT to see how much they are going to assault me for. Will never use UPS again (eventhough this time was not my choice):mad:

Puding

and was the declared value correct ? i say its karma what goes around comes around ( if you can;t work this out its ment to be a joke.........well maybe a joke ) we try and get something over on customs and the delivery company gets one over on use .

mcgovern

Puding wrote: »

and was the declared value correct ? i say its karma what goes around comes around ( if you can;t work this out its ment to be a joke.........well maybe a joke ) we try and get something over on customs and the delivery company gets one over on use .

Also taxes are charged at the value including shipping.

MaxForce

Puding wrote: »

and was the declared value correct ? i say its karma what goes around comes around ( if you can;t work this out its ment to be a joke.........well maybe a joke ) we try and get something over on customs and the delivery company gets one over on use .

I have no problem paying the VAT or Duty this I was expecting. Its the "Other Charges" I have an issue with. I paid my shipping cost to RSOV but yet UPS come along and slap me with a further 13.50. BAHHHH.

MaxForce

mcgovern wrote: »

Also taxes are charged at the value including shipping.

Again, I have no problem paying the VAT or Duty this I was expecting. Its the "Other Charges" I have an issue with. I paid my shipping cost to RSOV but yet UPS come along and slap me with a further 13.50. BAHHHH.

Puding

my comments where not directed at your but the hole ups charges issue, which as i;ve said in other posts im against, and karma in general more a fun comment

Fallschirmjager

its classic...the cost of shipping is this...and the cost of delivery is extra

N.O.I.P.

MaxForce wrote: »

I have no problem paying the VAT or Duty this I was expecting. Its the "Other Charges" I have an issue with. I paid my shipping cost to RSOV but yet UPS come along and slap me with a further 13.50. BAHHHH.

If I remember correctly the infamous UPS "Other Charges" are what they charge you for the privilege of having them prepay the VAT and duty for you. I ended up paying the guts of €100 for a $30 springer revolver from the states. I can see the entire country start suffering EMS withdrawal symptoms soon

MaxForce

Puding wrote: »

my comments where not directed at your but the hole ups charges issue, which as i;ve said in other posts im against, and karma in general more a fun comment

Yeah man I know. It just annoys me is all.

MaxForce

Puding wrote: »

my comments where not directed at your but the hole ups charges issue, which as i;ve said in other posts im against, and karma in general more a fun comment

Yeah man I know. It just annoys me is all.

horgan_p

we're just not dealing with rsov anymore till they can sort out this fiasco.
got a quote for £2xx for a mediocre shippment , not even a lash of stuff , ive gotten more from the uk for £33 ( 2 consignments)

MaxForce

My second package was coming by TNT. It is now in Ireland and held by customs. It contains face masks, a chrono and a couple of batteries. No guns or anything. What does held by customs mean? Would I want to be kicking up a storm about now to make sure I have the package for Saturday.

Puding

What does held by customs mean? [/quote)

normaly means there holding it to apply customs charges, if it went into there system on friday they more than likely have done nothing to it since then as they rarely seem to work on the weekends, i wouldn't worry