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Environmental Charge for waste oil

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  • 18-04-2008 8:41am
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    MadsL
    Registered Users Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭


    Just got the bill for my car service which listed an environmental charge of €10 ex VAT for 'Environmental Charge'. I was told this was to pay for waste oil disposal?

    Anyone been charged this and is it legal?

    Also got charged €6.50 ex VAT 'sundries' was told that this was things like mats (€6.50 for a paper mat?)


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    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,760 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Main dealer?
    BMW?

    I presume it is legal. Polluter pays and AFIK they have to pay to shift it!

    Sundries is usually a way for throwing everything into one price. You may object but not much you can do but go elsewhere!


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    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Been charged that by Fiat main dealers for years - its legit. Even punters have to pay to get rid of low amounts of waste oil in some places (Kildare Council areas for instance).


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    dylbert
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    My local Recycling Centre accepts engine oil free of charge.


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    Seth Brundle
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    Most do, but a business cannot arrive along with a few barrels of waste oil for free. Also, it costs to get the barrels to the recycling centre.


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    MadsL
    Registered Users Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Main dealer - yes.

    Although €12 for the priviledge is a bit rich considering they charged me €15 a litre (€60 ex vat for 4 litres)

    Mad thing is my car only holds 3.2 litres (Smart)


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    dylbert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭dylbert


    kbannon wrote: »
    Most do, but a business cannot arrive along with a few barrels of waste oil for free. Also, it costs to get the barrels to the recycling centre.

    but could a customer take the old oil away with them and not pay the garage the disposal fee?


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    JHMEG
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    MadsL wrote: »
    considering they charged me €15 a litre (€60 ex vat for 4 litres)
    That's very dear for oil. I pay less than half that (incl VAT) for OEM branded 0W20 fully synthetic in 1L bottles.

    If you really want it done in a main dealer there's nothing to stop you supplying your own oil, and taking away the old oil.


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    IrishRover
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    JHMEG wrote: »
    That's very dear for oil.
    I'm guessing that might be the Castrol Edge stuff. It's amazingly expensive alright.

    The environmental charge does sound like a nice little earner for them alright.
    Don't know why they couldn't give you the waste oil in the container the new oil came in and let you bring it to your recycling facility if you want. My local one takes waste car and household oil free also.


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    Tabnabs
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,720 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    It's an EU directive, however, as far as I know they should only be a "reasonable charge" and they shouldn't be making any profit out of this.


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    Del2005
    Registered Users Posts: 18,990 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    IrishRover wrote: »
    I'm guessing that might be the Castrol Edge stuff. It's amazingly expensive alright.

    The environmental charge does sound like a nice little earner for them alright.
    Don't know why they couldn't give you the waste oil in the container the new oil came in and let you bring it to your recycling facility if you want. My local one takes waste car and household oil free also.
    dylbert wrote: »
    but could a customer take the old oil away with them and not pay the garage the disposal fee?

    Don't forget that the garage have removed the oil and are therefore responsible for it's disposal. If they give it to every punter who gets a service I'd say a lot of it would end up in the drains.

    Unless your civic centre is close to your house or on a route you usually take it isn't very cost effective to go out of your way to dump old oil, how much is your free time worth?

    Also most garages will be getting oil from 40gallon drums, try loading that in the back of your car.:D:D


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    King Kelly
    Registered Users Posts: 278 ✭✭King Kelly


    Most main dealerships have a contract with a licensed waste disposal company ( I think Atlas Enviromental at the largest) to collect and dispose of bulk waste oil and brake fluids etc. They also collect bins of waste oil filters and of battery's.

    The €10 sounds a bit Dublin to me - only €6 in my neck of the woods!


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    kkontour
    Registered Users Posts: 352 ✭✭kkontour


    Some of the newer garages actually run the heating on waste oil, they should be paying you for the oil


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    bonham23
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭bonham23


    Yes I have been charged this in the past too. They also charge disposal charges for parts too. I've had to pay €15 inc vat for the disposal of a return pipe on the crancase ventilation. like come on home much space would that accupy in a skip :rolleyes:


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    JHMEG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    King Kelly wrote: »
    Most main dealerships have a contract with a licensed waste disposal company ( I think Atlas Enviromental at the largest)
    I know a mechanic who years ago got paid by Atlas for old oil, then they stopped paying and just collected it for free, and now he has to pay them €230 a drum to take it away.

    They filter it/clean it and 90% of it is sold to the ESB and burned in power stations.


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    IrishRover
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    JHMEG wrote: »
    I know a mechanic who years ago got paid by Atlas for old oil, then they stopped paying and just collected it for free, and now he has to pay them €230 a drum to take it away.

    They filter it/clean it and 90% of it is sold to the ESB and burned in power stations.
    Someone along the line is obviously making a lot of money out of this "environmentalism" lark.

    Point taken about the impracticality of giving each customer back their few litres of waste oil by the way, Del2005.


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    jos28
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    Slightly off topic but does anyone know where to get plastic oil drums to take waste oil to the recycling depot. I used to get them from a local restaurant/greasy spoon but they put their used cooking oil back into them now. 2 mechanics in my house so there's gallons of the stuff to get rid of.


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    Spit62500
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    jos28 wrote: »
    Slightly off topic but does anyone know where to get plastic oil drums to take waste oil to the recycling depot. I used to get them from a local restaurant/greasy spoon but they put their used cooking oil back into them now. 2 mechanics in my house so there's gallons of the stuff to get rid of.

    I put it into the containers that the new oil came in.


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    niceirishfella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭niceirishfella


    jos28 wrote: »
    Slightly off topic but does anyone know where to get plastic oil drums to take waste oil to the recycling depot. I used to get them from a local restaurant/greasy spoon but they put their used cooking oil back into them now. 2 mechanics in my house so there's gallons of the stuff to get rid of.


    If you get a chance, go to an EX-army surplus place (not clothing) and they have great sealable plastic jerry cans for water. I bought about 5 of these a few years ago - great for petrol, diesel, 2 stroke petrol, and for holing water oil before of desposal - cost maybe €10 to €12euro ea......great to have and have little chains that attach the screw caps so you'll never loose em.

    RE; Oil disposal - I know a guy who goes to Garages and takes away their waste Oil for Free. He has a industrial burner in his garage that heats his BIG house - he has free heating all year round.........NO BS!


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    jos28
    Registered Users Posts: 7,194 ✭✭✭jos28


    niceirishfella wrote: »
    If you get a chance, go to an EX-army surplus place (not clothing) and they have great sealable plastic jerry cans for water. I bought about 5 of these a few years ago - great for petrol, diesel, 2 stroke petrol, and for holing water oil before of desposal - cost maybe €10 to €12euro ea......great to have and have little chains that attach the screw caps so you'll never loose em.

    RE; Oil disposal - I know a guy who goes to Garages and takes away their waste Oil for Free. He has a industrial burner in his garage that heats his BIG house - he has free heating all year round.........NO BS!

    Cheers
    Thanks for the info. Never thought of going to Ex Army stores.
    I believe you about the central heating oil. I read somewhere that you can throw used engine oil into your heating tank as long as you don't exceed an 80/20 mix.


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