This happened tonight ... a few kids could easily have been killed ...

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craichoe wrote: »

ANYTHING you have on your person or in your car that could be used as a weapon is illegal. Unless you have a valid purpose for it.

Hurley, Baseball bat, knife ... or indeed a stun gun, it will get you up in court.

Sorry for going slightly off topic, but is this completely true?

I carry a sharp knife in the boot in the event of a puncture (for cable ties)

If they stopped me and searched the car, would I be in trouble?! :eek:

dodgyme

Victor_M wrote: »

Well done army guy

@COPH1 The fact that you need feel the need to carry a Stun Gun/baseball bat/ some sort of weapon to make yourself feel hard says a lot about you in the first place, obviously us boardsies aren't the only people who think you are a muppet if you need to carry protection with you in the car there must be people who know you that don't like you too!

Army guy acted perfectly IMHO, took him out of the car, sufficiently scared him without actually harming him.

+1

cpoh1

Victor_M wrote: »

Well done army guy

@COPH1 The fact that you need feel the need to carry a Stun Gun/baseball bat/ some sort of weapon to make yourself feel hard says a lot about you in the first place, obviously us boardsies aren't the only people who think you are a muppet if you need to carry protection with you in the car there must be people who know you that don't like you too!

Army guy acted perfectly IMHO, took him out of the car, sufficiently scared him without actually harming him.

Do you realise how fecking sad that comment in bold makes you sound?

I have always carried some form of protection in my car and always will. I was leaving an off licence one night a few years back and three fellas tried to pull me out of my car as i was turning the ignition. They werent after my money just my car. Ive never needed to use it but would have no hesitation if needed. After living in the uk for 2 years im under no illusions that there are some crazy people out there that would do anything to steal your car.

I find it interesting on here that people are in admiration of a guy who blatently assaults someone unprovoked and chastise another for carrying a defensive weapon against potential attack.

Im not defending the guy in the car, I just think it was a pretty uncivilised way of dealing with a problem, if the situation was reported by the young lad the army guy could have been in a lot of trouble (I understand the irony in me posting this when I have what I have under my front seat).

Gandalf23

cpoh1 wrote: »

Do you realise how fecking sad that comment in bold makes you sound?

I have always carried some form of protection in my car and always will. I was leaving an off licence one night a few years back and three fellas tried to pull me out of my car as i was turning the ignition. They werent after my money just my car. Ive never needed to use it but would have no hesitation if needed. After living in the uk for 2 years im under no illusions that there are some crazy people out there that would do anything to steal your car.

I find it interesting on here that people are in admiration of a guy who blatently assaults someone unprovoked and chastise another for carrying a defensive weapon against potential attack.

Im not defending the guy in the car, I just think it was a pretty uncivilised way of dealing with a problem, if the situation was reported by the young lad the army guy could have been in a lot of trouble (I understand the irony in me posting this when I have what I have under my front seat).

Ok where to start!

You claim its pretty uncivilised to deal with a boy racer like this, but you justify carrying a stun gun for "defence" which is illegal in Ireland and most other civilised countries.

You claim that no children have been killed by cars in residential areas, yet you refuse to back up this claim with proof of any kind, (even when other posters have specific examples to the contrary).

And you call the actions of the army guy unjustified. I and the other "boardsies" seem to think he was justified, and his actions may have saved someone from being killed by an idiot in a car.

Coph1, I'm not sure if your just a troll here trying to derail the thread and wind people up or not. Either way your looking like an idiot boy/girl racer trying to justify the actions of the fool speeding in the car yesterday.

dodgyme

cpoh1 wrote: »

Do you realise how fecking sad that comment in bold makes you sound?

I have always carried some form of protection in my car and always will. I was leaving an off licence one night a few years back and three fellas tried to pull me out of my car as i was turning the ignition. They werent after my money just my car. Ive never needed to use it but would have no hesitation if needed. After living in the uk for 2 years im under no illusions that there are some crazy people out there that would do anything to steal your car.

I find it interesting on here that people are in admiration of a guy who blatently assaults someone unprovoked and chastise another for carrying a defensive weapon against potential attack.

Im not defending the guy in the car, I just think it was a pretty uncivilised way of dealing with a problem, if the situation was reported by the young lad the army guy could have been in a lot of trouble (I understand the irony in me posting this when I have what I have under my front seat).

you are seriously off the mark man, the fact you say the boyracer was assaulted unprovoked says it all. ????!!!!
The boyracer was out looking for trouble by his actions the army guy was not, that is why people sympathise with the army guy, he is the benevolent knight with right on his side, most people can see this but you. Your response is to take the moral outta the argument and say "if someone did that to me" etc etc etc. After the experience you had with the 3 guys dragging you outta the car you surely should see that your response was to carry something for your protection the same way the Army guy used his might for the protection of the estate he lived in. But turning the fact that you have a weapon in the car into the "if somebody did that to me" scenario speaks to me that you may have needed to talk to someone (if you know what I mean) about the experience you had because you need to resolve this.

As far as I can see you and the army guy should be on the same side against the scum (that nicks cars or nearly mows down kids, these pups are the same breed). no?

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Gandalf23 wrote: »

Either way your looking like an idiot boy/girl racer trying to justify the actions of the fool speeding in the car yesterday.

Would have to disagree there on a couple of things ... He/She made no suggestion that they were a boy/girl racer, and, the poster also said they were absolutely not defending the guy, as you suggest

"Im not defending the guy in the car, I just think it was a pretty uncivilised way of dealing with a problem, if the situation was reported by the young lad the army guy could have been in a lot of trouble (I understand the irony in me posting this when I have what I have under my front seat)."

cpoh1

Gandalf23 wrote: »

You claim its pretty uncivilised to deal with a boy racer like this, but you justify carrying a stun gun for "defence" which is illegal in Ireland and most other civilised countries.

You claim that no children have been killed by cars in residential areas, yet you refuse to back up this claim with proof of any kind, (even when other posters have specific examples to the contrary).

And you call the actions of the army guy unjustified. I and the other "boardsies" seem to think he was justified, and his actions may have saved someone from being killed by an idiot in a car.

Coph1, I'm not sure if your just a troll here trying to derail the thread and wind people up or not. Either way your looking like an idiot boy/girl racer trying to justify the actions of the fool speeding in the car yesterday.

That is exactly what im saying! Was there any need for your post considering its simply rehashed what ive written earlier?

Just to be pedantic ill repeat myself. There is a massive difference between carrying PPE in your car after having a previous incident where you were assaulted by three thugs looking to steal your car and a full grown man from the army assaulting a young fella completely unprovoked. No matter what you say assaulting someone because you think they are driving too fast is totally unjustified, if you think it is then its dreamland you are living in. What the young fella did was totally wrong but the assault was 10 times worse.

Have a chat with a solicitor friend, they will be able to get a hold of the relevant car fatality statistics as they occur. I got my partner to check earlier this morning and she confirmed for me that nobody has died in a car fatality this year involving a pedestrian under the age of 12 ANYWHERE. I dont have a silly google link to show you though so you'll no doubt just have to take my word for it.

Gandalf23

cpoh1 wrote: »

There is a massive difference between carrying PPE in your car after having a previous incident where you were assaulted by three thugs looking to steal your car and a full grown man from the army assaulting a young fella completely unprovoked.

He was not unprovoked. The boy racer nearly mowed down his 7 year old child.

cpoh1 wrote: »

No matter what you say assaulting someone because you think they are driving too fast is totally unjustified, if you think it is then its dreamland you are living in. What the young fella did was totally wrong but the assault was 10 times worse

No its not totally unjustified. If it saves the life of an innocent child its totally justified. I would have done the same thing if I was quicker, and its more of this kind of thing we need ... its the only thing these boy racers understand.

cpoh1 wrote: »

Have a chat with a solicitor friend, they will be able to get a hold of the relevant car fatality statistics as they occur. I got my partner to check earlier this morning and she confirmed for me that nobody has died in a car fatality this year involving a pedestrian under the age of 12 ANYWHERE. I dont have a silly google link to show you though so you'll no doubt just have to take my word for it.

You are looking more foolish with every post. How would a solicitor have specific access to detailed statistics for child deaths in residential areas? I dont believe you know what you are talking about. Just to prove me wrong and make me look foolish, I'll post a naked picture of myself holding up a sign that says "cpoh1 is the king and is a better man than me... and is the boss of me... and I'm a big eejit" if you can post any link to that statistic.

cabrwab

Children being killed by being knocked down tend not to make the news!
You'llbe surprised how many road fatalities don't make headlines.

Fair play to having time to try get the facts.What about a child being badly injured by ANY idiot in a housing estate, boy racer, exec racer(so many of these guys).

The army guy did wrong in attacking the guy, but then again he had a fright, we all do stupid things in this situation.

I can understand why you have the stun gun, there are crazy's out there. But be careful using that in the worng situation, but if it makes you feel safer. (illegal or not the guy has it, they have admitted it they didn't have to) i say we get back to bashing idiots flaking around housing estates.

Cmar-Ireland

Lads, please don't feed the troll. He'll just drag ye down to his level, then beat ye with experience :rolleyes:

craichoe

elviscostello wrote: »

Sorry for going slightly off topic, but is this completely true?

I carry a sharp knife in the boot in the event of a puncture (for cable ties)

If they stopped me and searched the car, would I be in trouble?! :eek:

Nope ! Thats fine as it has a purpose. i.e. cutting cable ties ! Its if you can't give a reason for its use then your in trouble.

DonJose

cpoh1 wrote: »

I got my partner to check earlier this morning and she confirmed for me that nobody has died in a car fatality this year involving a pedestrian under the age of 12 ANYWHERE. I dont have a silly google link to show you though so you'll no doubt just have to take my word for it.

March 2008 - The Garda Siochana Ombudsman Commission yesterday took over the investigation into an incident where seven-year-old Dean Ward of Finglas West was knocked down and killed by an unmarked Garda car in Finglas, Dublin, yesterday.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/garda-ombudsman-probes-childdeath-road-incident-1311690.html

cpoh1

DonJose wrote: »

March 2008 - The Garda Siochana Ombudsman Commission yesterday took over the investigation into an incident where seven-year-old Dean Ward of Finglas West was knocked down and killed by an unmarked Garda car in Finglas, Dublin, yesterday.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/garda-ombudsman-probes-childdeath-road-incident-1311690.html

Good find DonJose, interesting to note that accidents do happen even with highly trained drivers and as someone earlier rightly pointed out if children are not looked after and allowed to run free on roadways people will eventually get hurt no matter the speed.

The records herself had a look at only involved civilian RTA stats, they have no access to accidents involving civial service vehicles.

thesoulfulldude

mmmmm im young and like a bit of speed.... so call me a boyracer if you want but i dont speed around estates like this story. i think everybody likes a little bit of speed but just dont talk about it. and no before you ask i dont have an exhaust or any modification on the outside of my car.

thesoulfulldude

hey also i remember my dad getting into a problem involving a bus and right of way on the motorway. (he was forced into the hard sholder after trying to murge with traffic) so he just rang some garda number to complain about the driver, few weeks later got a call back to ask if he wanted to press charges. bit extree but there is help out there for these situations.

vibe666

i think everyone is being unfair to cpoh1 and misunderstanding the point they are trying to get across, which seems to be that because there have been no children killed on the roads in housing estates this year (by boy racers) that it's okay to drive really fast around estates in your sh1t heap civic with a baked bean tin duct taped to the exhaust.

just remember that it's actually okay to run children down as long as you don't kill them. maiming them for life or breaking limbs is fine apparently. :rolleyes:

+1 for the army guy.

personally I'd rather have a million boy racers scared sh1tless into slowing down rather than 1 single child killed or injured on the roads.

any parent would die protecting their child, it's what they do and anyone putting a child at risk (regardless of the outcome) deserves a good hiding at the very least.

oh and cpoh1, be sure to post what type of car do you drive and what your reg number is? I'm sure someone here will be more than happy to pass it onto the gardai for you as by having a stun gun/bat/knife (or anything else that could be construed as a weapon) in your car you are breaking the law before you even put the keys in it.

Beta Ray Bill

cpoh1 wrote: »

Good find DonJose, interesting to note that accidents do happen even with highly trained drivers and as someone earlier rightly pointed out if children are not looked after and allowed to run free on roadways people will eventually get hurt no matter the speed.

The records herself had a look at only involved civilian RTA stats, they have no access to accidents involving civial service vehicles.

Are you having a Laugh?

most of the Garda are not highly trained.

they have a few weeks on a driver training course, with no other cars or people or other moving objects and dangers. And believe me, its as basic as a training course could be. Many of them cant even drive when they start.

+1 to the Army guy.

We have a major problem where I live with LBR's and LGR's. I have seen on occasion, people taking the law into there own hands.

and they have to.. because Raheny Garda Station just isn't interested.

and its a DAMN SHAME, it really is.

Gandalf23

I think the best thing at this stage of the thread is to ignore any idiot troll who attempts to justify speeding, or carrying any offensive weapon.

They have shown themselves to be fools, and they will learn hard lessons the hard way. I just pray they dont harm anyone else (especially an innocent child) in the process. From now on lets just ignore them for the wan3ers they obviously are.

Gandalf23

OK, an update on this story. My Mum told me that the boy racer guy was driving thro the estate this morning at a snails pace. He looked up and down the road and when he saw the army guys car was not there he screeched tyres and sped away.

So this leads me to believe thet ONLY thing slowing down the little pr1ck was the threat of a good kicking. The Guards and local politicians have been told of the guys speeding but nothing (as far as we know ) has been done. The Guards have limited powers, and are not really interested imho.

The only thing slowing him down was the threat from the army guy.

Its a sad commentry. The guy is not afraid of the Guards, local older residents, local politicians, being in an accident himself, or harming another person/child with reckless driving. The ONLY thing the boy racer is worried about is the army guy, and the guaranteed beating resulting from him being caught speeding.

Steve

Gandalf123,
How about you and some of your neighbours arm yourselves with video cameras - or camera phones - and record his antics.

If you give this to the Guards as evidence then they can't ignore you.

You couldn't prove anything about what speed he was going, it might support a dangerous or careless driving charge though.

cpoh1

Gandalf23 wrote: »

I think the best thing at this stage of the thread is to ignore any idiot troll who attempts to justify speeding, or carrying any offensive weapon.

They have shown themselves to be fools, and they will learn hard lessons the hard way. I just pray they dont harm anyone else (especially an innocent child) in the process. From now on lets just ignore them for the wan3ers they obviously are.

For once I actually agree with you 100%. Anyone who thinks its ok to drive at speed in a densely populated area where there is the potential for children at play should be punished. Speed limits should be lower and speed reduction devices should be in place (whether they be speed bumps or garda speed checks).Anyone who thinks differently is as you rightly put a wan3er.

I think gandalf the only difference in opinion between us is that I believe in going through the proper channels when dealing with lawbreakers regardless of age or sex and would never ever condone assaulting a fellow road user unless in self defence.

Gandalf23

stevec wrote: »

Gandalf123,
How about you and some of your neighbours arm yourselves with video cameras - or camera phones - and record his antics.

If you give this to the Guards as evidence then they can't ignore you.

You couldn't prove anything about what speed he was going, it might support a dangerous or careless driving charge though.

Yep, great idea. We haven't done this yet because its hard to predict when the guy will be around. Definitely worth doing tho if it can be organised.

Gandalf23

cpoh1 wrote: »

For once I actually agree with you 100%. Anyone who thinks its ok to drive at speed in a densely populated area where there is the potential for children at play should be punished. Speed limits should be lower and speed reduction devices should be in place (whether they be speed bumps or garda speed checks).Anyone who thinks differently is as you rightly put a wan3er.

I think gandalf the only difference in opinion between us is that I believe in going through the proper channels when dealing with lawbreakers regardless of age or sex and would never ever condone assaulting a fellow road user unless in self defence.

You have admitted to being a "lawbreaker" ... please provide me by PM with your name, address, and car reg number so that I can report you through the "proper channels" for carrying an illegal offensive weapon.

cpoh1

Gandalf23 wrote: »

You have admitted to being a "lawbreaker" ... please provide me by PM with your name, address, and car reg number so that I can report you through the "proper channels" for carrying an illegal offensive weapon.

You really are a clown of the highest order you know that?

You are either (A) really young (B) are in a very bad state mentally or (C) pissed off your tits to write some of the posts you do. At least some of the lads in my office are getting a kick out of you anyway so keep up the great work and keep the good **** coming!

craichoe

Gandalf23 wrote: »

OK, an update on this story. My Mum told me that the boy racer guy was driving thro the estate this morning at a snails pace. He looked up and down the road and when he saw the army guys car was not there he screeched tyres and sped away.

So this leads me to believe thet ONLY thing slowing down the little pr1ck was the threat of a good kicking. The Guards and local politicians have been told of the guys speeding but nothing (as far as we know ) has been done. The Guards have limited powers, and are not really interested imho.

The only thing slowing him down was the threat from the army guy.

Its a sad commentry. The guy is not afraid of the Guards, local older residents, local politicians, being in an accident himself, or harming another person/child with reckless driving. The ONLY thing the boy racer is worried about is the army guy, and the guaranteed beating resulting from him being caught speeding.

Wait, he came BACK and drove around slowly because he was afraid, sounds more like he came back with a few lads to look for the guy.

Seriously... scum like that will come back and post sh*t in your letterbox

dodgyme

craichoe wrote: »

Wait, he came BACK and drove around slowly because he was afraid,

from the description given he was afraid and should be.

vibe666

cpoh1 wrote: »

You really are a clown of the highest order you know that?

You are either (A) really young (B) are in a very bad state mentally or (C) pissed off your tits to write some of the posts you do. At least some of the lads in my office are getting a kick out of you anyway so keep up the great work and keep the good **** coming!

it's funny that you think that about one of the posters on this thread because (from a lot of the comments here) most of the poster on this thread are thinking exactly the same thing about you mate, so well done.

when you say "the lads in my office" it's not the Max Power office is it? :rolleyes:

cpoh1

vibe666 wrote: »

it's funny that you think that about one of the posters on this thread because (from a lot of the comments here) most of the poster on this thread are thinking exactly the same thing about you mate, so well done.

when you say "the lads in my office" it's not the Max Power office is it? :rolleyes:

Whats maxpower?

I would think that the people agreeing with Gandalf the wizard are the ones with the screws loose, most civilised people dont go round pulling people out of cars and threatening to kill them. In anybodys world thats crazy behaviour. Anyway Vibe dont worry the lads in the office are now laughing at you too.

Come to think of it one of them has even suggested that gandalf the wizard has made the whole incident up just for the benefit of stirring things up with his cyber buddies. And after we had a read off some of his older rantings im inclined to agree. A moderator needs to lock this rubbish up otherwise well have GI Joe on here threatening me next...

unkel

Enough already