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Building a recording studio in back garden

  • 28-04-2008 1:34pm
    #1
    aka_Ciaran
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    I have a 4 bed semi detached house in Beaumont and my back garden is 15 metres long by 10 wide. I want to build a recording studio out the back with possibly a living space also i.e. bedroom with en suite and living room. There is a house on each side and also at the end of the garden, so soundproofing would be important. I'm not sure if all this is possible so I'm looking for general opinions on if it's feasible, planning, soundproofing, etc. Also I'm wondering if there's any architect/technician that would do plans for a reasonable price.

    So some questions:

    - Is it possible to get enough soundproofing to not disturb neigbours?
    - What's the best material for soundproofing - blocks, timber frame with rockwool, or other?
    - I want minimal heating - how does passive heating work?

    Any other advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.


Comments

  • #2
    niceirishfella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭niceirishfella


    <SNIP> offer a rom outside product that a pal of mine uses outside for a recording studio. Maybe they can help -
    i think their site i<SNIP>


    Read the charter before posting stuff like that


  • #3
    aka_Ciaran
    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭aka_Ciaran


    niceirishfella wrote: »
    <SNIP>offer a rom outside product that a pal of mine uses outside for a recording studio. Maybe they can help -
    i think their site is <SNIP>

    Nice one thanks. I'd be very interested to hear more about your mate's studio ie how well it works, materials he used, if he has soundproofing issues, etc. Does he have neighbours close by?


  • #4
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,671 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Blocks will be better for sounding proofing than timber frame,
    and this will need planning


  • #5
    niceirishfella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭niceirishfella


    A <SNIP> will not need planning and they can soundproof.




    Mod edit: Defiantly reposting a company name that has already been deleted is taking the piss. Have a week off. That should give you more than enough time to read the charter.


  • #6
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,942 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    aka_Ciaran wrote: »
    . Also I'm wondering if there's any architect/technician that would do plans for a reasonable price.


    'doing the plans' would be the easy part.... being granted planning permission will be the hard part.....

    will this recording studio be a commercial venture?? if so then it will be incrediable difficult....


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  • #7
    aka_Ciaran
    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭aka_Ciaran


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    'doing the plans' would be the easy part.... being granted planning permission will be the hard part.....

    will this recording studio be a commercial venture?? if so then it will be incrediable difficult....

    No it's not a commercial venture, will just be used as a hobby for myself and a couple of mates.


  • #8
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,671 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    niceirishfella wrote: »
    A <SNIP> will not need planning and they can soundproof.




    Mod edit: Defiantly reposting a company name that has already been deleted is taking the piss. Have a week off. That should give you more than enough time to read the charter.

    Muffler has already dealt with the flaunting of the rules.



    But also your information is wrong. The job described in the OP will require planning. No matter who does he sound-proofing


  • #9
    MollynOlly
    Registered Users Posts: 36 ✭MollynOlly


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    'doing the plans' would be the easy part.... being granted planning permission will be the hard part.....

    will this recording studio be a commercial venture?? if so then it will be incrediable difficult....

    I did planning for a friend recently doing the same.
    Planning should be fine, if you stick to the required square meterage.
    Also, if you describe the usage of the space on planning application as 'ancillary to the use of the house' and say that it is a space for gym/office to the rear, you should be fine. Someone from council came out, and advised this to my friend. and this is in the planning reg guidelines.

    The construction used is: double blockwork, then cavity, then double blockwork externally and internally.
    I think my friend is using 2 sliding doors on entrance too and on the internal room for recording. This was for commercial use.

    Hope thats helpful.


  • #10
    aka_Ciaran
    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭aka_Ciaran


    MollynOlly wrote: »
    The construction used is: double blockwork, then cavity, then double blockwork externally and internally.
    I think my friend is using 2 sliding doors on entrance too and on the internal room for recording. This was for commercial use.

    Hope thats helpful.

    Nice one thanks. I was thinking of timber frame with a double cavity and rockwool or some sort of sound insulation in between...you think this would be feasible? Would the double blockwork need any filling in the cavity?


  • #11
    MollynOlly
    Registered Users Posts: 36 ✭MollynOlly


    aka_Ciaran wrote: »
    Nice one thanks. I was thinking of timber frame with a double cavity and rockwool or some sort of sound insulation in between...you think this would be feasible? Would the double blockwork need any filling in the cavity?

    Probably just insulation..
    Whichever way you plaster it on inner walls, you could use something for acoustics on the inner leaf? I'm not sure what but just an idea.
    i would trawl the net for suppliers to studios ..some in town that sell equipment and fit out studios, you could pick their brains on how to do it..


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  • #12
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,671 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    MollynOlly wrote: »
    Planning should be fine, if you stick to the required square meterage.
    Also, if you describe the usage of the space on planning application as 'ancillary to the use of the house' and say that it is a space for gym/office to the rear, you should be fine. Someone from council came out, and advised this to my friend. and this is in the planning reg guidelines.

    The construction used is: double blockwork, then cavity, then double blockwork externally and internally.
    I think my friend is using 2 sliding doors on entrance too and on the internal room for recording. This was for commercial use.

    Hope thats helpful.
    Are I reading that correct in that you (or your friend) lied on the planning application. Say it is ancillary to the use of the house does not make planning easy, it possibably makes it void (if used commercially)
    aka_Ciaran wrote: »
    Nice one thanks. I was thinking of timber frame with a double cavity and rockwool or some sort of sound insulation in between...you think this would be feasible? Would the double blockwork need any filling in the cavity?

    The previous example is better, timber frame and rockwool isn't great for low frequency sound. It will stop airbourne sound, but most sound travels through the structure. Have a high mass structure is the simpliest and most effective way to sound proof. Blockwork walls are the best. Go for a 440 wide cavity wall and it should be ok, maybe some sort of acoustic lining to improve the sound qauility inside the studio.


  • #13
    MollynOlly
    Registered Users Posts: 36 ✭MollynOlly


    Mellor wrote: »
    Are I reading that correct in that you (or your friend) lied on the planning application. Say it is ancillary to the use of the house does not make planning easy, it possibably makes it void (if used commercially)

    The planning was for retention, when I came on board, and a rep from council came on site and gave this advice.(I don't recall if my friend told rep that is was a recording studio or a shed at the time.Don't want to imply anything of council,Mellor)
    How does it make it void? ..interested.


  • #14
    sinnerboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭sinnerboy


    MollynOlly wrote: »
    I did planning for a friend recently doing the same.
    Planning should be fine, if you stick to the required square meterage.
    Also, if you describe the usage of the space on planning application as 'ancillary to the use of the house' and say that it is a space for gym/office to the rear, you should be fine. Someone from council came out, and advised this to my friend. and this is in the planning reg guidelines.

    The construction used is: double blockwork, then cavity, then double blockwork externally and internally.
    I think my friend is using 2 sliding doors on entrance too and on the internal room for recording. This was for commercial use.

    Hope thats helpful.

    there's the lie

    permission is not granted for structures alone - the USE of a structure is also subject to permission

    your friend above does not have permission for the commercial use . and it would only take a call from a displeased person to alert planning enforcement to take another look and prohibit that use .


  • #15
    sinnerboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭sinnerboy


    she wrote the book......

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/archive/pdffiles/architectural-acoustics/bbc_guideacousticpractice.pdf


  • #16
    muffler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,408 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    sinnerboy wrote: »
    she wrote the book......

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/archive/pdffiles/architectural-acoustics/bbc_guideacousticpractice.pdf
    You are a wealth of information. Good post.


  • #17
    aka_Ciaran
    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭aka_Ciaran


    sinnerboy wrote: »
    she wrote the book......

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/archive/pdffiles/architectural-acoustics/bbc_guideacousticpractice.pdf

    Nice one...something for the bedside table :)


  • #18
    MollynOlly
    Registered Users Posts: 36 ✭MollynOlly


    sinnerboy wrote: »
    there's the lie

    permission is not granted for structures alone - the USE of a structure is also subject to permission

    your friend above does not have permission for the commercial use . and it would only take a call from a displeased person to alert planning enforcement to take another look and prohibit that use .

    there's not much chance of that, its on alot of land, not overlooked by neighbours. Thats the chance my friend was willing to take.


  • #19
    sinnerboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭sinnerboy


    MollynOlly wrote: »
    there's not much chance of that, its on alot of land, not overlooked by neighbours. Thats the chance my friend was willing to take.

    op take note !


  • #20
    MollynOlly
    Registered Users Posts: 36 ✭MollynOlly


    sinnerboy wrote: »
    op take note !

    Well listen, that's been my experience, the advice was given by the council to carry it out that way...a friend asked me to do it and i obliged, and it sailed through planning. Now whatever legalities you must follow about posting here in order for everything to be legit is fine, but don't suggest that I am lying. I have no motive to sway another person or give out wrong info and Ciaran has contacted me privately as he found my post helpful.


  • #21
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,942 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    MollynOlly wrote: »
    Well listen, that's been my experience, the advice was given by the council to carry it out that way...a friend asked me to do it and i obliged, and it sailed through planning. Now whatever legalities you must follow about posting here in order for everything to be legit is fine, but don't suggest that I am lying. I have no motive to sway another person or give out wrong info and Ciaran has contacted me privately as he found my post helpful.

    Theres no suggestion that YOU were lying, but the point SB was making is that if an 'untruth' is told as part of a plnning application then, theoretically, it can negate and invalidate the planning permission. The fact that your client is using the building for a use which does not have permission really means that the initial application was meaningless. the advice you got from the council official was bad, erroneous and unprofessional to the extreme.


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  • #22
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,671 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    MollynOlly wrote: »
    Well listen, that's been my experience, the advice was given by the council to carry it out that way...a friend asked me to do it and i obliged, and it sailed through planning. Now whatever legalities you must follow about posting here in order for everything to be legit is fine, but don't suggest that I am lying. I have no motive to sway another person or give out wrong info and Ciaran has contacted me privately as he found my post helpful.
    No body said you lied,
    You quoted my post and asked how would in invalidate it, SB responded.

    As for the advice from the council being bad. You did say that they might of not been aware of the intended use. so their advice might not have been relating to the job at all, but to a gym or similar.


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