Ryanair increase charges

penexpers

1 bag has gone up to 10 euro.

Airport checkin fee has gone up to 5 euro.

Ryanair say they will keep on increasing charges until at least 50% of their passengers carry hand-luggage only.

paulm17781

penexpers wrote: »

Ryanair say they will keep on increasing charges until at least 50% of their passengers carry hand-luggage only.

Meanwhile airports won't let you bring a bulk of toiletries through as they are over 100ml. :mad:

penexpers

You can get smaller ones in most supermarkets these days or you can buy them when you get over there.

Or you can give up on air travel (pretty much what I have done).

paulm17781

penexpers wrote: »

You can get smaller ones in most supermarkets these days or you can buy them when you get over there.

True, but it bothers me I can't bring my things with me due to a non-existant threat. Aftershave etc. is expensive, I don't want to buy some for a weekend and bin it. It's more the hassle. The whole "liquid-explosive" thing is a scam and I wish they would just get rid of it.

woodseb

paulm17781 wrote: »

True, but it bothers me I can't bring my things with me due to a non-existant threat. Aftershave etc. is expensive, I don't want to buy some for a weekend and bin it. It's more the hassle. The whole "liquid-explosive" thing is a scam and I wish they would just get rid of it.

why would you buy some for the weekend and then bin it? as far as i know aftershave isn't perishable....

paulm17781

woodseb wrote: »

why would you buy some for the weekend and then bin it? as far as i know aftershave isn't perishable....

Because I can't bring it on the plane (assuming +100ml).

woodseb

paulm17781 wrote: »

Because I can't bring it on the plane (assuming +100ml).

ok, i'll shorten my question then - why would you buy some for the weekend?

its easy to buy travel packs of stuff, and if you pack wisely carrying your bag on is a lot less hassle than having to queue to check it in and wait for it on the other side

paulm17781

woodseb wrote: »

ok, i'll shorten my question then - why would you buy some for the weekend?

I'll rephrase my point, I already own these things. Why do I have to buy them for holidays / business trips?

All answers that can prove liquid explosives are likely to be made on a plane win a prize.

Predhead

penexpers wrote: »

You can get smaller ones in most supermarkets these days or you can buy them when you get over there.

Or you can give up on air travel (pretty much what I have done).

Flying is necessary evil for a lot of people, me included and I don't particularly like it.

Ham'nd'egger

woodseb wrote: »

ok, i'll shorten my question then - why would you buy some for the weekend?

its easy to buy travel packs of stuff, and if you pack wisely carrying your bag on is a lot less hassle than having to queue to check it in and wait for it on the other side

What if one is traveling for a weekend for a wedding or special occasion? You can get travel size shower gels but not travel size Hugo Boss. Equally, some people may require medicines that are liquid form only or they may be coming with bottles of spirits for presents; people returning from holy shrines. It is impractical to assume that one has to purchase any liquids solely in travel sizes especially as most flights are return journeys. The costs in buying additional products may cancel out baggage fees in any case.

As it is, the average flight is struggling to contain luggage in the overhead compartments; adding to the squeeze here is going to add woes for all concerned.

Calina

plus the UK security set up has a maximum cabin baggage size that I exceeded by one measly centimetre yesterday due to the wheels on my bag which has been okayed for cabin travel on any number of flights not including the UK.

As it happens, the liquid thing annoys the hell out of me on several fronts. It is a nuisance having to put each and every bottle of liquid that you have into a clear plastic ziplock bag. I used to bring stuff back from France like the occasional bottle of wine, for example. There is no way in hell you'd check a glass bottle in...well I wouldn't, so you're limited to what the duty free may or may not have.

I don't usually buy aftershave for fairly obvious reasons but surely to God a bottle of Hugo Boss can be got in 50ml format?

Bluetonic

Hamndegger wrote: »

What if one is traveling for a weekend for a wedding or special occasion? You can get travel size shower gels but not travel size Hugo Boss. Equally, some people may require medicines that are liquid form only or they may be coming with bottles of spirits for presents; people returning from holy shrines. It is impractical to assume that one has to purchase any liquids solely in travel sizes especially as most flights are return journeys. The costs in buying additional products may cancel out baggage fees in any case.

As it is, the average flight is struggling to contain luggage in the overhead compartments; adding to the squeeze here is going to add woes for all concerned.

Hugo Boss is available in lots of sizes under 100ml. Medicines are allowed through with the supporting documentation, always have been.

As for people coming from Holy Shrines I can only suggest they freeze the holy water and bring it on as a solid, of course this has weight issues :rolleyes:

woodseb

Hamndegger wrote: »

It is impractical to assume that one has to purchase any liquids solely in travel sizes especially as most flights are return journeys.

what's impractical about it, the rules are clear and people having been working with it for quite a while now. you can get travel sizes of all the major brands. can't believe people are still moaning about it

astrofool

People will moan about it as it is seen as completely unnecessary, and pulls in the opposite direction to what the airlines are trying to do (stop check in baggage).

Ideally Ryanair's next set of plans will sacrifice baggage hold space for overhead locker space.

paulm17781

astrofool wrote: »

People will moan about it as it is seen as completely unnecessary, and pulls in the opposite direction to what the airlines are trying to do (stop check in baggage).

That's exactly it, I prefer bringing luggage on the flight but I have issue with buying a small bottle of aftershave for a weekend when I have a load of it at home.

astrofool wrote: »

Ideally Ryanair's next set of plans will sacrifice baggage hold space for overhead locker space.

Really? That would be interesting, Would the plane not have to be significantly modified for this?

Ham'nd'egger

Bluetonic wrote: »

Hugo Boss is available in lots of sizes under 100ml. Medicines are allowed through with the supporting documentation, always have been.

As for people coming from Holy Shrines I can only suggest they freeze the holy water and bring it on as a solid, of course this has weight issues :rolleyes:

Take note, ladies and gentlemen. I don't actually use Hugo Boss so I have no idea what sizes it comes in; it was just the brand that came to mind as they were sampling it last week in the shops. Just as well they didn't try out Dettol, eh!

I'm just a bit annoyed that people are now made feel needed to have to buy whatever toiletries we use in small sizes purely to travel with. Handy for those who travel often but for the one off trips it is getting into wasteful times. I accept and expect that prescriptions will be grand with documents but is it really a case of justifying medication and bringing prescriptions with us to save the cost of bags. I stand by my point on bottled gifts; it is get it before boarding or don't bring it.

I understand why airlines are doing this; it is more about getting more money from people than "saving" baggage handler fees. Cabins will be soon

rameire

paulm17781 wrote: »

That's exactly it, I prefer bringing luggage on the flight but I have issue with buying a small bottle of aftershave for a weekend when I have a load of it at home.
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seriously whinging or what, ive just gone through my aftershave, around 12 different bottles and over 80% are smaller or equal to 100ml.
only a couple are over 100ml and they are 125ml.

i can only suspect you go around with the type of bottles you see in the perfume adds like channel, the ones that carry about 2 litre's.

and answering your liquid explosives why dont you google
Astrolite G
Nitroglycerine
or just google liquid explosives

trellheim

afair some russian planes used to have underseat spaces for luggage [ not a cargo hold, more hatches in the maindeck for luggage ]

paulm17781

rameire wrote: »

seriously whinging or what, ive just gone through my aftershave, around 12 different bottles and over 80% are smaller or equal to 100ml.
only a couple are over 100ml and they are 125ml.

Aftershave is an example. Shampoo, toothpaste, shaving cream, hair gel, etc. I don't want to have to buy all of these things when going away or have a bunch of little things. It is wasteful. Perhaps you are happy to do this or have plenty of storage for your home ones and travel ones. Personally, I couldn't be bothered and I have an issue with having to go through my toiletries, see what I can bring and then have to decide.

rameire wrote: »

i can only suspect you go around with the type of bottles you see in the perfume adds like channel, the ones that carry about 2 litre's.

Are we taking this a bit personally? There are no need to make snide assumptions about my character based on me not wanting pointless hassle.

rameire wrote: »

and answering your liquid explosives why dont you google
Astrolite G
Nitroglycerine
or just google liquid explosives

And why don't you google the types of conditions these have to be mixed in (that's the threat) I'm pretty certain an airplane toilet won't cut it.

Victor

Hamndegger wrote: »

Equally, some people may require medicines that are liquid form only

Exceptions are made for medical and dietary requisites.

"But Mr. Policeman, I'm a nervous flyer, I need the two litres of Jameson to calm my nerves .... HIC!"

woodseb

paulm17781 wrote: »

Aftershave is an example. Shampoo, toothpaste, shaving cream, hair gel, etc. I don't want to have to buy all of these things when going away or have a bunch of little things. It is wasteful. Perhaps you are happy to do this or have plenty of storage for your home ones and travel ones. Personally, I couldn't be bothered and I have an issue with having to go through my toiletries, see what I can bring and then have to decide.

isn't that the point of packing for the weekend? do you bring all your clothes aswell? having travel sizes gives you more room in your carry on case too

you're a man, put a toothbrush in your pocket, a change of underwear in the other and you're good to go:D

paulm17781

woodseb wrote: »

you're a man, put a toothbrush in your pocket, a change of underwear in the other and you're good to go:D

I tried that, they said I may use the toothbrush to build a gun and highjack the plane.*


* A similar threat level to liquids on planes.

Run_to_da_hills

It’s only right they increase their charges; they have been flying people around Europe over the last decade for virtually nothing. Their planes do not run on water, if Ryanair were to pay people to fly they would still complain. I say ......... the begrudgers

Ham'nd'egger

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It’s only right they increase their charges; they have been flying people around Europe over the last decade for virtually nothing. Their planes do not run on water, if Ryanair were to pay people to fly they would still complain. I say ......... the begrudgers

Ryanair never raise their prices, they raise their charges instead.

johnmarkey

Was in shannon going to the uk last week and as usual worried about the weight of my bag i spotted a weighn scales i never seen before, just inside the door. I think it was only one euro to use. Brilliant

Run_to_da_hills

I was bringing a PA Amplifier back from Eindhoven, It werghed in at 32KG inclusive of flight case. The woman at the Ryanair check in said that it was over their limit by 2KG and that they didn't have to take it at all. However she let me off with it at 28KG Fair play to them, they do bend the rules!

penexpers

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I was bringing a PA Amplifier back from Eindhoven, It werghed in at 32KG inclusive of flight case. The woman at the Ryanair check in said that it was over their limit by 2KG and that they didn't have to take it at all. However she let me off with it at 28KG Fair play to them, they do bend the rules!

That's not Ryanair bending the rules, that's the local agent ignoring the rules.

Run_to_da_hills

penexpers wrote: »

That's not Ryanair bending the rules, that's the local agent ignoring the rules.

Suited me

Not all their staff are narky bitc**s

penexpers

Aer Lingus have followed suit today.

12 euro if booked online, 18 euro if paid for in airport.

MOH

I love the way Aer Lingus do that. Let Ryanair put up their charges first, and everyone throw a wobbly at them, then when AL do it people have run out of steam, despite the fact they're charging more!

LFCFan

I'd still prefer to pay a bit more and use AL than use Ryanair. Their planes are ****e and uncomfortable.

Imposter

I'm still waiting for either AL, Ryanair or someone who has a say in the security theatre that exists to explain how one is supposed to carry a razor and only hand luggage!

parsi

Imposter wrote: »

I'm still waiting for either AL, Ryanair or someone who has a say in the security theatre that exists to explain how one is supposed to carry a razor and only hand luggage!

Easily. You can carry an electric razor or a normal Gilette-type razor no problems in hand baggage.

You can't carry a cut-throat razor.

Chris_533976

I hate Aer Lingus more than I hate Ryanair. They're trying to be a low cost airline which for any national carrier IMO (not just AL) is a disgrace. They might as well be called Aer Ryan, they seem to copy everything Ryanair does.

MrPudding

rameire wrote: »

and answering your liquid explosives why dont you google
Astrolite G
Nitroglycerine
or just google liquid explosives

Good point that man. Now as long as the terrorist don't work out that they can carry multiple bottles of less than 100ml to make up the amounts they need, we are safe.

I saw an interesting video on teh internet the other day, I can't find it but I do have a transcript....

After powerpoint presentation...

Henchman: .... so that is our plan to blow of some more planes out of the sky....

Terror Boss: Excellent plan, only one small problem....

Henchman: Problem? But we have thought of everything, the plan is flawless!

Terror Boss: Flawless eh? How much of this fancy liquid explosive do you need?

Henchman: 1 litre.

Terror Boss: Ha! You are only allowed 100ml containers on flights! Back to the drawing board. That is why you are a henchman and I am a terror boss. Loser.

Henchman: Damn those infidels and their cast iron unbeatable new security rules.....

<giant> :rolleyes: </qiant>

Yes, I certainly feel safer know the terrorist are being held at bay with an assumption that they are fcuking idiots that can't do simple math.

MrP

Boggles

To be fair to terrorists they are not going to be on here complaining how they can only bring 100ml of liquid explosives on the plane, they will just get on with it and divide the exposives into those handy bottles. So that's 500ml per terrorist, 5-6 terrorists per plane, 3 litres of highly concentrated bomb juice, plus €10 x 6 = €60 saved.

I always chucke at security points in airports when I see a bin load of discarded shampoo.

We just don't give terrorists enough credit these days! :rolleyes:

paulm17781

Boggles wrote: »

We just don't give terrorists enough credit these days! :rolleyes:

We're all missing the point here though. Not only are we not giving them enough credit. It's not even a viable threat.

EDIT: Just had this sent to me http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002CYTL2/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

Lemming

MrPudding wrote: »

Good point that man. Now as long as the terrorist don't work out that they can carry multiple bottles of less than 100ml to make up the amounts they need, we are safe.

Erm ......

It's not a good point. It's mindless herd-induced fear distilled from gubberment iwth agenda.

As has already been pointed out ... whilst you're googling those substances, go google the conditions required to mix into an actual effective explosive compound.

Then come back and bleat "oh noes we're all gonna die!!".

edit: Mr.Pudding, this isn't a rant at you, more just anybody who goes down the "OMFUXXORS!!! Binary liquid explosives! I once saw them used in a holywood movie. They MUST BE REAL!!!1111ELEVENTYONE!" line of thinking.

Boggles

Lemming wrote: »

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As has already been pointed out ... whilst you're googling those substances, go google the conditions required to mix into an actual effective explosive compound.

Also google "drunk pilot" + "aircrash" + "pilot suicide" +"screening airport workers"

Then the next time you travel smile politely as they confiscate your 200ml bottle of head and shoulders!

Lemming

Boggles wrote: »

Then the next time you travel smile politely as they confiscate your 200ml bottle of head and shoulders!

Indeed .... I had a close call at Prestwick airport in Scotland last year. The security guard was on the ball and spotted that lethal can of deodorant. Phew ... that was close I tell ye! God bless that man; saving the world from evil terroristic terrorisers and their evil terrorist ways.

As an aside point .. the sarcastic cynic in me would like to suggest this is indeed everything to do with genuine security when you can go through the screening area and t hen buy the exact same product in the exact same quantity that just got taken off you for being a "terrorist threat".

axer

Then again what have the airport restrictions got to do with a) Ryanair and b) their increased charges? The airport restrictions are not the fault of the airlines.

I fly at least once a month and always prefer ryanair to aerlingus (I used to think otherwise probably pre-convinced by everyone's bi'tching). They are way more efficent at their jobs for example when you reach the gate with ryanair they check your boarding pass on the way in (where possible) whereas aerlingus check on the way out the door slowing things down. People get to their seats quicker because they cannot prebook them. They do other simple things to cut down on costs like pre-recording the safety announcements.

Aerlingus charge €12 per bag and ryanair €10. Max hand lugguage weight with aerlingus is 6kg whereas with ryanair is 10kg. Yet ryanair can offer way better prices than aerlingus. Why do people still think aerlingus is better or nicer?

With regards flexibility, it is the local people that determine that as was said earlier. I find, surprise surprise, that the german checkin staff are way more strict about weights etc than the Irish staff.

I never fly with checked in luggage anymore so the only thing that bothers me about all of this is that there will be more people availing of the online checkin and priority boarding which makes the priority boarding more crowded.

Boggles

Lemming wrote: »

Indeed .... I had a close call at Prestwick airport in Scotland last year. The security guard was on the ball and spotted that lethal can of deodorant. Phew ... that was close I tell ye! God bless that man; saving the world from evil terroristic terrorisers and their evil terrorist ways.

Thank Christ he caught you, there are wimmin pilots these days, imagine you got on and released the lynx effect!!!

Boggles

axer wrote: »

Then again what have the airport restrictions got to do with a) Ryanair and b) their increased charges? The airport restrictions are not the fault of the airlines.

Don't believe for a second that airlines don't have a major voice of how airports are ran.

Just this week Ryanair have been threatening to pull out of Shannon if charges are not decreased. It is probably just fighting talk but you don't know with O'Leary, if airlines have the power to shut down airports they certainly have a say on how operations might be ran.

Trampas

LFCFan wrote: »

I'd still prefer to pay a bit more and use AL than use Ryanair. Their planes are ****e and uncomfortable.

I think Ryanair's fleet of planes is one of the youngest fleets out there.

axer

Boggles wrote: »

Don't believe for a second that airlines don't have a major voice of how airports are ran.

Just this week Ryanair have been threatening to pull out of Shannon if charges are not decreased. It is probably just fighting talk but you don't know with O'Leary, if airlines have the power to shut down airports they certainly have a say on how operations might be ran.

So you think Ryanair is in someway responsible for the extra security measures?

Boggles

axer wrote: »

So you think Ryanair is in someway responsible for the extra security measures?

Let's just say they wouldn't be opposed to them.

It is kinda of like the same deal as the cinema, they don't allow you to bring in your own beverages, but sure drink til you piss yourself on our over priced water, etc while your inside the airport or on the aircraft.

Actually come to think of it, on my last 50 minute flight to the Uk with Ryanair, the airplane wasn't even horizontal and food and drinks cart came out. Never mind security, what about safety?

MrPudding

Lemming wrote: »

Erm ......

It's not a good point. It's mindless herd-induced fear distilled from gubberment iwth agenda.

Christ, did you even read the rest of my post?

Lemming wrote: »

edit: Mr.Pudding, this isn't a rant at you, more just anybody who goes down the "OMFUXXORS!!! Binary liquid explosives! I once saw them used in a holywood movie. They MUST BE REAL!!!1111ELEVENTYONE!" line of thinking.

Thanks for that, considering I am one of the ones saying how retarded the whole thing is, it is very kind of you not to direct your rant at me. Thanks again.

MrP

axer

Boggles wrote: »

Let's just say they wouldn't be opposed to them.

It is kinda of like the same deal as the cinema, they don't allow you to bring in your own beverages, but sure drink til you piss yourself on our over priced water, etc while your inside the airport or on the aircraft.

I believe they are opposed to them. It is the shops after security that make the money on bottled water etc. The easier it is for passengers to get to their gates quickly the more money ryanair will make. The more that is allowed in hand luggage the less checked in baggage ryanair have to put onboard their flights and the cheaper the flights become the more money ryanair makes.
http://news.cheapflights.co.uk/flights/2006/08/ryanair_issues_.html
http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/notices.php?notice=060822-ASP-EN
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1155512145.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5265504.stm?ls

axer

Boggles wrote: »

Actually come to think of it, on my last 50 minute flight to the Uk with Ryanair, the airplane wasn't even horizontal and food and drinks cart came out. Never mind security, what about safety?

On a 50 minute flight how long do you think they are horizontal? Sure you can't bash them with security so lets move on to something else.

Why do people seem to have the need to bash ryanair?

Boggles

axer wrote: »

I believe they are opposed to them. It is the shops after security that make the money on bottled water etc.

If you arrive in past security with plenty of time to get to the shops, most people are too busy getting to the queue early to get a decent seat.

axer wrote: »

The easier it is for passengers to get to their gates quickly the more money ryanair will make. The more that is allowed in hand luggage the less checked in baggage ryanair have to put onboard their flights and the cheaper the flights become the more money ryanair makes.

Rubbish, what you think baggage charges cover? Your not charged for bringing on hand language, thus making the plane heavier, thus using more fuel and costing more.

axer wrote: »

http://news.cheapflights.co.uk/flights/2006/08/ryanair_issues_.html
http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/notices.php?notice=060822-ASP-EN
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1155512145.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5265504.stm?ls

Haha, all from 2006 when there was panic and delay because of the new security measures, people are well used to the muppetry now and arrive earlier, with out shampoo,etc.

Why don't you go find a stat how beverage profits for airlines are doing since these "security measures" came in?

Boggles

axer wrote: »

On a 50 minute flight how long do you think they are horizontal? Sure you can't bash them with security so lets move on to something else.

Why do people seem to have the need to bash ryanair?

I can bash them on what ever I want, my point was it is not safe for me to go to the jacks, but they can wheel a 100 kg metal tank up and down a flight that is at 30 degrees.

Nothing I have said isn't true, the real question is why do you feel the need to defend Ryanair, do you work for them, do you have shares?