Bigot, sectarian site still running and nothing is being done

darkman2

Hi,

Ive complained about this particular website before
http://www.pulseresources.org/ForumsPro/viewforum/f=1.html
for its shameless promotion of bigotry, intolerance and at times sheer racism. This is one of the worst sites I have ever seen and alot of it is actually directed at Irish people for some reason. You only have to read one of those threads to see why. Basically its a Northern Protestant site. Fair enough but just read some of the threads! I think there was also a newspaper article in the UK not long ago questioning this site with far more damning comments then I have about it. What bothers me about this is that its still there. Its become a breeding ground for anti Irish, anti Catholic bigotry and other racism against others and its so blatant. They condon paramilitaries frequently and loyalist terrorist organistions on a public forum.

Ive no doubt the people who use the site are sad, pathetic individuals who wouldnt say such things on the street to someone in person. What im wondering is why, despite the many complaints to the regulators and in light of the peace process and all that - that such a platform is being tolerated? The stuff on that site is beyond belief:( Im far from the only person who has concerns about these sorts of sites - I think they should all be banned - that goes for the Republican ones with their garbage aswell!

Id like to encourage others to make official complaints about these sorts of sites aswell. Has anyone got any idea of what the best way to make complaints against sites like this is?

Helix

theyre perfectly entitled to have a site like that if they want

stop being such a pc twit

you cant regulate peoples opinions

mike65

Fancy making the same point about Stormfront?

Mike.

Ross_Mahon

They mean serious business in there, Someone join it and create madness!

SV

Pack of idiots. Oh well.

darkman2

mike65 wrote: »

Fancy making the same point about Stormfront?

Mike.

The site ive mentioned is principly to do with Ireland - of course I think SF should be banned and all sites that promote racism. Id like to start with the ones in our country first which are encouraging religious hatred.

Dub13

Who have you complained to..?

Karoma

Helix wrote: »

theyre perfectly entitled to have a site like that if they want

stop being such a pc twit

you cant regulate peoples opinions

Careful now. I'm sure you can make your point without getting abusive.

Dub13 wrote:

Who have you complained to..?

Valid question. May I suggest Joe Duffy (If you haven't already.)



I disgaree with what the people on that site, and stormfront, and so many other sites have to say, but I believe they have a right to say it (Unless it directy advocates or orchestrates violence). People are entitled to their opinions.

Helix

darkman2 wrote: »

The site ive mentioned is principly to do with Ireland - of course I think SF should be banned and all sites that promote racism. Id like to start with the ones in our country first which are enouraging religious hatred.

do you think getting rid of sites like that will suddenly mean these people change their opinions?

the sites arent the issue here and theyre every bit as entitled to their piece of the internet as you are

Helix

Karoma wrote: »

Careful now. I'm sure you can make your point without getting abusive.

lol

aye... "twit"

id say i cut him deep with that one alrite

JC 2K3

Don't believe in freedom of speech, eh?

Karoma

Helix wrote: »

lol

aye... "twit"

id say i cut him deep with that one alrite

It was aimed at the poster more than the post. Did I infract you for it? No. Did I ban you for it? No. Quit while you're ahead.

niceonetom

darkman2 wrote: »

I think they should all be banned

i agree. only nice people should be allowed on the internet from now on. there should be a test of some sort...

twanda

darkman2 wrote: »

Ive no doubt the people who use the site are sad, pathetic individuals who wouldnt say such things on the street to someone in person. ?

I wouldn't lose sleep over it then.

darkman2

Helix wrote: »

do you think getting rid of sites like that will suddenly mean these people change their opinions?

No, of course not, but I dont think platforms like it - especially for somewhere coming out of conflict is justified. Thats a blatant sectarian site actively encouraging hatred and bigotry against another side of the community.


I cant actually remember who I complained to. It was a UK regulator for the internet - someone posted the link here - that was last year. I cant remember what they are called though.

Helix

Karoma wrote: »

It was aimed at the poster more than the post. Did I infract you for it? No. Did I ban you for it? No. Quit while you're ahead.

i thought AH was fair game

Karoma

Out of cuirosity, OP, how did you come across this site in the first place?


You thought wrong, Helix. Re-read the charter.

Robbo

Dub13 wrote: »

Who have you complained to..?

Personally, I'd go to the President of Internets. He lives in an ivory tower guarded by lolcats and the Star Wars Kid.

Him or Joe Duffy, they get results.

Helix

Robbo wrote: »

Personally, I'd go to the President of Internets

haha

"dear mr. internet,

it has come to my attention that there is some material available on your service that i do not agree with. i demand you remove it this instant

regards
dave c. darkman II"

orestes

Damn right. People should only be allowed to voice their opinions if they are the same as mine.

Helix

Karoma wrote: »

You thought wrong, Helix. Re-read the charter.

thats far too much like effort, ill just have to live dangerously and see what happens by not reading it

darkman2

Karoma wrote: »

Out of cuirosity, OP, how did you come across this site in the first place?

Because it was linked on the bbc messageboards and allowed stay there for a few days after it was in the Times newspaper I think it was.

Dub13

darkman2 wrote: »

I cant actually remember who I complained to. It was a UK regulator for the internet - someone posted the link here - that was last year. I cant remember what they are called though.

But it could be hosted in Russia or Navan or some kip like that and then the UK regulator would have no jurisdiction.

Dave!

I think the OP should be banned from the internet. I actually do.

Dudess

OP, just don't bother looking at the site. The way it's disgusting you is exactly what they want.

But as for the "people are entitled to their opinion"/free speech argument: are people who believe, for example, that all children with cerebral palsy should be gassed, entitled to spread that view?

darkman2

orestes wrote: »

Damn right. People should only be allowed to voice their opinions if they are the same as mine.

Lads, dont get me wrong, im all for freedom of opinion and free speech etc. Its just Ireland is in reality a small place and part of the Island has had a murderous sectarian conflict - thats my principle argument against this/these sites. Im all for free speech etc. The owner or main mod on that site was on PeoplesRepublicofCork a while back and was asked would he not make sure to at least tone down some of what was on the site

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obviously too much to ask.

phantom_lord

when the seagulls follow the trawler...

smemon

Yeah it's all a load of nonsense..

Let them burn flags and talk the talk... whatever floats your boat :rolleyes:

I see plenty of people wearing engerland & rangers jerseys in the republic (ok, not plenty, but some)... i don't want to stab them or burn them alive..

Even if i did, there's nothing wrong with that. Unless of course i actually do it or publicly declare i'm going to do it

Until the site becomes a meeting place for known thugs or vandals, leave it up and running as these guys are just like us..

Bored, in work or whatever killing a few hours trying to stir up controversy or get arguments or debates going.

Dudess

Yep, let them spew their hate. They're not worth getting worked up over.

funk-you

Dudess wrote: »

OP, just don't bother looking at the site. The way it's disgusting you is exactly what they want.

But as for the "people are entitled to their opinion"/free speech argument: are people who believe, for example, that all children with cerebral palsy should be gassed, entitled to spread that view?

Yes as long as they don't actually do any gassing.

-Funk

marco murphy

darkman2 wrote: »

The site ive mentioned is principly to do with Ireland - of course I think SF should be banned and all sites that promote racism. Id like to start with the ones in our country first which are encouraging religious hatred.

How does SF promote Racism?
What planet are you on??

aidan_walsh

Poblachtach wrote: »

How does SF promote Racism?
What planet are you on??

Stormfront, not Sinn Fein -_-

Dub13

Now now lets not turn this into another SF thread.

marco murphy

Sickener. Apologies

I haven't seen this forum before.

Dudess

funk-you wrote: »

Yes as long as they don't actually do any gassing.

-Funk

But what about the upset and hurt it would cause? What about the danger of spreading views like this?

aidan_walsh

Dudess wrote: »

But what about the upset and hurt it would cause? What about the danger of spreading views like this?

You can't legislate against hurting people's feelings.

funk-you

Dudess wrote: »

But what about the upset and hurt it would cause? What about the danger of spreading views like this?

Anyone who disagrees with an opinion may get upset, should we stop having opinions? As long as no actions are taken you can choose to ignore words.

-Funk

Karoma

aidan_walsh wrote: »

You can't legislate against hurting people's feelings.

Try as they might.

-Funk

Dudess wrote:

But as for the "people are entitled to their opinion"/free speech argument: are people who believe, for example, that all children with cerebral palsy should be gassed, entitled to spread that view?

Sure. As long as it's on their site, and especially if they invite debate/arguement - hell, yeah!


The Internet remains a Pull media, for now. You choose what you want to see. If you click on something you don't like, you can click elsewhere.

Dudess

There is the Prohibition of Incitement to Hatred Act though. I, for one, am glad. But that's just my opinion (ironically )

Helix wrote: »

theyre perfectly entitled to have a site like that if they want

stop being such a pc twit

you cant regulate peoples opinions

I think what you're saying is far more likely to come from a "PC" person.

Helix

Dudess wrote: »

But as for the "people are entitled to their opinion"/free speech argument: are people who believe, for example, that all children with cerebral palsy should be gassed, entitled to spread that view?

they most certainly are entitled to spread it

Steve

darkman2 wrote: »

The site ive mentioned is principly to do with Ireland - of course I think SF should be banned and all sites that promote racism. Id like to start with the ones in our country first which are encouraging religious hatred.

good luck with complaining - the site is hosted in houston, texas.

Helix

Dudess wrote: »

I think what you're saying is far more likely to come from a "PC" person.

nah, the pc brigade only roll that one out when its something they agree with. otherwise they break their balls trying to protect the poor innocent world

Pherekydes

Dub13 wrote: »

Who have you complained to..?

Us boardsies. We'll sort them out! :pac:

guinnessdrinker

I just read the thread entitled "Cash for loyalists if they don’t burn Irish tricolour" and thought it might have been an interesting discussion but as I read the posts they are just from people that like Irish flags being burned!

I know what the OP is trying to say though. It could be an offensive site to a lot of people but then again this is the internet, people say what they like whether we agree with it or not.

Kold

I believe in the right to free speech. It bothers me that people have sectarian beliefs, it also bothers me that people buy Beyoncé's music.

Steve

Dudess wrote: »

There is the Prohibition of Incitement to Hatred Act though. I, for one, am glad. But that's just my opinion (ironically )

As it's hosted in the USA, free speech pretty much rules.

If boards was hosted the same way then we'd all be free to say what we wanted about - Micks Car Dealership - for example.
Irish or UK law has no juristiction.

CantGetNoSleep

Puts on troll hat (quickly followed by Celtic jersey)

Joins this site

Waits for the madness

How long til i'm banned?

thelordofcheese

Well if enough people, or rather enough of the right kind of people, wanted the site taken down then i'm sure it could be arranged, but in reality nobody gives two tugs of a dead dogs cock about some loyalist neanderthals being keyboard warriors.

Let it go, the internet if full of morons and even if you could find a foolproof way to remove them then the universe would just create a better idiot.

Sherifu

Having reviewed these distasteful sites OP, which one would you suggest I should join? :pac:

El Weirdo

Kold wrote: »

I believe in the right to free speech. It bothers me that people have sectarian beliefs, it also bothers me that people buy Beyoncé's music.

Yes! Banning Beyoncé ftw. Along with Westlife and any other manufactured shyte...:D

It ain't gonna happen though, is it? Let the morons have their say and then come on to boards and complain about it.:rolleyes:

AnonoBoy

Beyonce is purdy. Leave her be.