The Master

1408

I felt the 3 episodes with the Master were the best I had ever seen, any chance that he might return, I know that his body was burned and he refused to regenerate but as a timelord his spirit may be reserected at some point in the future? What do people think, because honestly, I could have really enjoyed more of him.

ixoy

I liked Johin Simm's portrayal, for the most part, but thought the 2-part finale was very poor (any show so blatantly employing the reset button deserves ridicule).

As to him returning - it's sci-fi, anything could happen. Personally, I resent the idea that RTD would have the nerve to kill off such an iconic character in such weak story. It is sci-fi so you can always work in an excuse to bring someone back.

nothing

Well there was that whole bit of the woman laughing at the end, as he burned... So he may not be gone at all... I can only vaguely remember the end though.

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ixoy wrote: »

I liked Johin Simm's portrayal, for the most part, but thought the 2-part finale was very poor (any show so blatantly employing the reset button deserves ridicule).

I will agree there, I taught there was a way they both could have won, that they both would have been able to continue on in seperate ways. The Master was good for being essentially bad, so it would have been great for him to disappear, and then you are wondering if he will ever appear again later on in the episodes. Perhaps even an 'Alternate' reality episode where the Master assumes the role of the Doctor

BuffyBot

The mysterious hand taking the ring was supposed to leave an opening for others to being back the Master in the future.

It was a very week 3 episodes though. Horrific even..

pixelburp

Doctor Who seems to have a general problem with delivering on its promise insofar as multi-parters go (Which is funny given how many die hard fans bemoan the disappearance of multi-ep stories in general with the new series). Numerous examples have great first parts, and tense setups, only for the payoff to be a let down. The end of series 3 was no exception I think; "Utopia" left us gagging for more having sprung the Master on us, "The Sound of Drums" was ... curious, but it still ratcheted up the tension & left us with a helluva cliffhanger. Then it all fizzled out in the last part (aside from the moments when Tennant and Simm faced each other).

The Master

Well if you like the master

Current talk on the doctorwhoforum is that Davros is
returning for this seasons finale
(this has been confirmed-he will be played by Julian Bleech).
But the unconfirmed speculation is that Davros is secretly
being controlled by the Master(John Simm) -
Simm did definatly film some scenes in November
but some think this maybe for a flashback sequence

Doctor DooM

Robster The Lobster wrote: »

Well if you like the master

Current talk on the doctorwhoforum is that Davros is
returning for this seasons finale
(this has been confirmed-he will be played by Julian Bleech).
But the unconfirmed speculation is that Davros is secretly
being controlled by the Master(John Simm) -
Simm did definatly film some scenes in November
but some think this maybe for a flashback sequence

I actually enjoyed the first two Master eps. He deserves something more than what he got in the end.

Just because he doesn't have a regeneration is no hindrance to the Master. Sure in the 96 movie his last regeneration was murderised by the daleks and that apparently turned him into a transparent snake monster thing.

BlitzKrieg

hmmm I will be watching for dropped hints in the next episode.

How the last episode ended

the tardis being taken over by an unseen force

made me think of the Master

Spurred on by the quick shot of the Doctor's hand which was last seen being used in the Masters plans, not to mention the tardis too. One last dig from the master post mortem?

Though yes ignoring the reset element of the the end of season 3 I thought it was a fantastic arc, it tied in alot better then the awful bad wolf one in the 1st season and was much more clever then the straightforward torchwood arc in season 2. And yes the John Simm version of the Master was brilliant (I've enjoyed Simm since Life on Mars.)

Doctor DooM

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

hmmm I will be watching for dropped hints in the next episode.

How the last episode ended

the tardis being taken over by an unseen force

made me think of the Master

Spurred on by the quick shot of the Doctor's hand which was last seen being used in the Masters plans, not to mention the tardis too. One last dig from the master post mortem?

Though yes ignoring the reset element of the the end of season 3 I thought it was a fantastic arc, it tied in alot better then the awful bad wolf one in the 1st season and was much more clever then the straightforward torchwood arc in season 2. And yes the John Simm version of the Master was brilliant (I've enjoyed Simm since Life on Mars.)

Maybe the daughters a clone or something. That would make sense.

iguana

ixoy wrote: »

I liked Johin Simm's portrayal, for the most part, but thought the 2-part finale was very poor (any show so blatantly employing the reset button deserves ridicule).

Re-set's are almost always very weak, the only exception I can think of is Galaxy Quest. The thing with that ep of Doctor Who was that it was pretty obvious throughout the episode that they were going to re-set it, so it was especially disappointing when they did.

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SDooM wrote: »

Maybe the daughters a clone or something. That would make sense.

That I cant understand, how the hell does the doctor have a daughter, and he appeared to know that she exsisted but was astonished to see her

Doctor DooM

1408 wrote: »

That I cant understand, how the hell does the doctor have a daughter, and he appeared to know that she exsisted but was astonished to see her

The Doctor's very first assitant was his grand daughter, so it is well known he has had either a daughter or a son.

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SDooM wrote: »

The Doctor's very first assitant was his grand daughter, so it is well known he has had either a daughter or a son.

Oh, that makes sense I guess, interesting she should surface now though. they seem to be pulling out all the stops with this one.

Doctor DooM

1408 wrote: »

Oh, that makes sense I guess, interesting she should surface now though. they seem to be pulling out all the stops with this one.

I seriously doubt it will be genuine, there will be some caveat. "Last of the time lords" still has some life in it, I think.

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SDooM wrote: »

I seriously doubt it will be genuine, there will be some caveat. "Last of the time lords" still has some life in it, I think.

Well the Doctor did mention to Rose before that he was a father I guess, but I'd be more interested to see who the mother is, and what her story is

pixelburp

You can guarantee there's something more to this than simply "it's his daughter". His mention specifically of "DNA" suggests there's going to be a sci-fi explanation. Methinks it'll be something related to his hand.

Doctor DooM

pixelburp wrote: »

You can guarantee there's something more to this than simply "it's his daughter". His mention specifically of "DNA" suggests there's going to be a sci-fi explanation. Methinks it'll be something related to his hand.

Maybe they will finally canonise the whole Gallifrey- loom thing?Hope not though. hand has to have something to do with it.

pixelburp

I hope to god not; those "New Adventures" books have a lot to answer for, coming up with a right amount of crap to be honest. Not least the decision to explain the Doctor, his origin, family and so on. The TV show re-injected much needed mystery into both the Doctor & the Time Lords. Lets keep it that way!

It's the setting of the next story that confuses me - it seems to be a general "in the future, with aliens and grime" episode, we know little else about it.

Doctor DooM

pixelburp wrote: »

I hope to god not; those "New Adventures" books have a lot to answer for, coming up with a right amount of crap to be honest. Not least the decision to explain the Doctor, his origin, family and so on. The TV show re-injected much needed mystery into both the Doctor & the Time Lords. Lets keep it that way!

It's the setting of the next story that confuses me - it seems to be a general "in the future, with aliens and grime" episode, we know little else about it.

Perhaps like the Master story, it's set eleventybillion years in the future, so she is hidden from the reach of the time lords. Especially as most people seem to think this is some form of last stab by the Master at the Doctor.

EDIT: Can I just say its great to see such activity in this forum?

pixelburp

SDooM wrote: »

Perhaps like the Master story, it's set eleventybillion years in the future, so she is hidden from the reach of the time lords. Especially as most people seem to think this is some form of last stab by the Master at the Doctor.

EDIT: Can I just say its great to see such activity in this forum?

Perhaps, but when the Master nabbed the Doctor's TARDIS, he could only go between the end of the universe & our modern day times. It's made quite clear there was nothing left in the universe except those last humans, so I doubt it's set during the "Utopia" period. At least I hope not, that episode had atmosphere in spades due to it being quite literally the end of time.

And yes, it's nice to chat with people about Who; the main dedicated forums are quite overwhelming & chock full of rabid fanboys. Plus the general improvement of Torchwood in series2 gave the forum a good jolt

Doctor DooM

pixelburp wrote: »

Perhaps, but when the Master nabbed the Doctor's TARDIS, he could only go between the end of the universe & our modern day times. It's made quite clear there was nothing left in the universe except those last humans, so I doubt it's set during the "Utopia" period. At least I hope not, that episode had atmosphere in spades due to it being quite literally the end of time.

And yes, it's nice to chat with people about Who; the main dedicated forums are quite overwhelming & chock full of rabid fanboys. Plus the general improvement of Torchwood in series2 gave the forum a good jolt

Yes but what happened at "Utopia?" We know they became the Toclaphane, but how?

Wild speculation of course.

Sadly I didnt get to see Torchwood 2 during air time, I am working my through it now!

TheForeSkins

Apparently John Simm recorded scenes that have not been shown yet for Dr Who, pointing at a flashback or some kind of "what happened in those 18 months" thing...maybe stopping the Master before he marries Lucy

Doctor DooM

TheForeSkins wrote: »

Apparently John Simm recorded scenes that have not been shown yet for Dr Who, pointing at a flashback or some kind of "what happened in those 18 months" thing...maybe stopping the Master before he marries Lucy

Wasn't there rumours that was for the Christmas special?

Ah, rumours, rumours!

The Master

Doctor DooM

Robster The Lobster wrote: »

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