Herbal Smoke ?

rubadub · 03-05-2008 1:13pm

jjedge wrote: »

How is this legal?

Because they have not been made illegal yet, simple as. Prohibition of drugs is a fairly recent thing compared to how long they have been in use. The more interesting question is why are the illegal ones illegal.

jonny24ie wrote: »

Remember the lad that ended up in Mullingar a few weeks after Katie French's death?? Well he was hospitalised because of these "legal" drugs. I know him well enough and he won't go near them at all now.

The vast majority of people who are hospitalised because of drugs are using legal drugs, nothing new or shocking about that.

ModeSkeletor wrote: »

Both are legal drugs, alcohol probably more dangerous. What is the difference?

Because mammy, bertie and the local sergeant use one of those drugs for non-medicinal/recreational reasons, so it is more socially acceptable because of that.

Top 20 most dangerous drugs as listed in the peer reviewed medical journal The Lancet

1. Heroin
2. Cocaine
3. Barbiturates
4. Street methadone
5. Alcohol
6. Ketamine
7. Benzodiazepines
8. Amphetamine
9. Tobacco
10. Buprenorphine
11. Cannabis
12. Solvents
13. 4-MTA
14. LSD
15. Methylphenidate
16. Anabolic steroids
17. GHB
18. Ecstasy
19. Alkyl nitrates
20. Khat

slipss · 03-05-2008 4:21pm

quick, quick everyone, use illegal drugs, they are fun.

DarkJager · 03-05-2008 4:25pm

The best of them has to be "Smoke". Spice Gold is just too heavy and its impossible to drink for a night while smoking it as you will very quickly find yourself asleep. With Smoke, as long as you don't hold it for too long it works a treat. Each to their own though....

nobodythere · 03-05-2008 4:30pm

Smoke is the only one worth getting - it is a bit like the real thing but makes your brain go numb. With the real thing you're off in your own thoughts but with this it's just staring at a wall.

As was said above, hard times, desperate measures

invincibleirish · 03-05-2008 4:32pm

grasshopa wrote: »

With the real thing you're off in your own thoughts but with this it's just staring at a wall.

As was said above, hard times, desperate measures

You need a widescreen, PES and an excellent selection of music to amplify the experience!

JC 2K3 · 03-05-2008 4:34pm

I found smoke to be a lot more trippy than weed.

Watching Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas on it was deadly!

DarkJager · 03-05-2008 5:04pm

I've heard loads of people saying its trippy but I've never really experienced more than a slight soft focus while smoking it! What exactly constitutes as trippy?? (in terms of "Smoke")

invincibleirish · 03-05-2008 5:08pm

I find essentially with Smoke that you buy, build, light then smoke and as you inhale the first few times you get the sensation as if you are going to get stoned, but you stay on that sensation, patiently waiting.

Meanwhile the whole *spliff* is smoked and then you reach for the phone....

DarkJager · 03-05-2008 5:11pm

The taste of Smoke threw me off a bit the first time...can't quite place it but it tastes like cinnamon??? Still, that dawning realisation that you are actually stoned out of your face on something legal is always decent

Kold · 03-05-2008 5:16pm

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

You can find porno everywhere yet it's still not allowed to be posted here.

/Googles porn. HE'S RIGHT! HOLY F*CK!

JC 2K3 · 03-05-2008 7:09pm

DarkJager wrote: »

I've heard loads of people saying its trippy but I've never really experienced more than a slight soft focus while smoking it! What exactly constitutes as trippy?? (in terms of "Smoke")

Hard to describe. A load of random images popping into my head, everything around me seeming really surreal, a feeling that I was sinking into the couch, the TV looking like a cardboard cutout....

TPD · 28-06-2008 3:17am

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Hard to describe. A load of random images popping into my head, everything around me seeming really surreal, a feeling that I was sinking into the couch, the TV looking like a cardboard cutout....

I'm fairly fecked on Smoke at the minute. Had a bit to drink too, so I'm not completely accurate. In that kinda woozy-wavey-head-motion phaze at the minute. Quite an intense stonedness after taking a pass. Reading back, I read 'piss'. Yeah.

Anyway, good stuff.

MCTarakan · 16-09-2008 11:34am

Hi! Can anyone give list of legal and illegal hights? Or give me link where I can find it. Is it similar to UK ones or we have some diffirinicies?

Thanks

Prof.Badass · 16-09-2008 12:42pm

Here's a crude list. Research them fully on erowid.org

alcohol (gaba agonist)
caffeine (stimulant)
nicotine (stimulant) btw, don't ever inhale a "reward system" drug. If you wanna do nicotine do the gum, otherwise you'll get addicted.
codeine (opiate-you have to do a cold water extraction or you will die!)
DXM (dissociative - check the other ingredients or you could **** up badly)
kratom (opiate)
bzp (dopamergenic stimulant)
tfmpp, meopp, mcpp (serotonin agonists)
"smoke", "zohai sx", "skunk"; (synthetic cannabinoid)
mescaline containing cactii; (psychedelic)
DMAA (dopamergenic stimulant)
Nitrous oxide (dissociative)
kava kava (gaba agonist) (not sure if these 2 are leagal)
betel nut (stimulant)
LSA containg seeds (psychedelic)

and loads of grey area drugs inside "party pills"

is methylone legal here?

Tak3n · 16-09-2008 12:51pm

For all those noobs who suggested spice gold and salvia, it is muck and cannot be compared to weed in the slightest...

The best legal highs I.E the ones that get you ****ed are:

"Smoke" - EXACT same effect as marijuana only with a slightly shorter half-life. You wont be able to find the ingredients anywhere on the net as they are trying to keep it quiet but is available to buy in most hemp shops.

Also the legal ecstasy tablets "XXX" but i would stay clear of them... really not worth taking unless you like not being able to sleep for 3 days and having hot/cold rushes and pupils the size of saucers. Think this one contains BZP which is illegal everywhere except europe and will soon be banned here too. Nasty stuff altogether...

Dragan · 16-09-2008 12:53pm

vinylmesh wrote: »

is methylone legal here?

As far as i am aware it won't be too long before that makes the banned list.

Methedrone should follow it shortly.

Kold · 16-09-2008 12:55pm

Tak3n wrote: »

For all those noobs who suggested spice gold and salvia, it is muck and cannot be compared to weed in the slightest...

Who was comparing salvia with weed?

Tak3n · 16-09-2008 12:57pm

Kold wrote: »

Who was comparing salvia with weed?

Dunno

Nehaxak · 16-09-2008 2:13pm

Is it against the rules to show (maybe through google maps?) the best fields in the Dublin mountains, near Johnny Foxes, to the left or straight ahead at the crossroads with Foxes on your right, turning left into what seems like a cul-de-sac and continuing around to the left until you get to a small forest with fields around it - to use for picking natural magic mushrooms ?

Natural annual growing season has started btw, best times are roughly 6.30am for the most intense little smurf villages to be picked...

Oh and Killiney Golf course lands are sprayed btw so don't pick them there :eek:

Captain Ginger · 16-09-2008 2:21pm

A while ago I bought stuff called "Smoke", was 35 euro for 3 grams so I was hoping it would be good, and jesus, stuff was insane. Only one place sells it so it's hard to get time to go in just to get it but it's really really good.

A decent amount will keep me going for almost two hours, although I tend to pack a lot in.

Prof.Badass · 16-09-2008 2:28pm

Tak3n wrote: »

"Smoke" - EXACT same effect as marijuana only with a slightly shorter half-life. You wont be able to find the ingredients anywhere on the net as they are trying to keep it quiet but is available to buy in most hemp shops.

Well the secret ingredient is an "endogenous primary amide", that's what they said.

So it's either Oleamide , URB597 , or some unknown chemical.

I'd put my money on oleamide because of the short half-life and minor throat irritation.

They should really put it in a pill, it'd be far better for those of us who would rather not destroy our health.:)

Captain Ginger · 16-09-2008 2:31pm

The full ingredients for smoke have been made public, seen them on a couple of sites, if you really want them just email the company and they will send it back.

Bonging smoke is lethal though.

Also it is not the exact same as pot, it has salvia extracts in it, it's very mild but if you smoke enough you will notice.

JC 2K3 · 16-09-2008 2:40pm

Link??

Does it actually have salvia extracts in it? Because if so I'm a genius. I always maintained that it was very like salvia and made sense for there to be salvia in it in some form.

Captain Ginger · 16-09-2008 2:43pm

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Link??

Does it actually have salvia extracts in it? Because if so I'm a genius. I always maintained that it was very like salvia and made sense for there to be salvia in it in some form.

This might be of some help, can't link the site due to it's nature but:

Hi XXXXX

Thanks for your interest in the smoke product here is some info for you,

Ingredients of SMOKE
Verbascum genus (carrier herba)
Aesculus genus (Escin and Esculin free)
Salvia genus (sclarea)
Cinnamomum genus (leaf only, no bark)
An endogenous primary amide

Organic worx have told us they will be posting this and additional info regarding smoke and follow on products on the site very soon and the rumour regarding the chemical you mentioned is not true im afraid. We have noticed that some people were concerned about the lack of ingredients listing on the packaging this was down to time constraints on the original print run and will be altered in the future. Regarding the negative reactions you also mentioned we have not heard of anything like that at all and would suggest that if you react in any way badly to anything you shouldnt consume it again regardless of what it is.

Kind Regards
IHS Team

Prof.Badass · 16-09-2008 2:45pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_sclarea

that's not salvia divinorum.

have yas ever tried "zohai sx" i got a pre-rolled joint for a 5er. Found it to be the same as smoke just without the side effects smoke gives me. It is more expensive though.

Captain Ginger · 16-09-2008 2:49pm

Smoke pretty much everything in the headshops (just for research

) the zohai stuff is nice enough but I find it a bit too mild.

The first time I got a tin of smoke myself and a mate smoked it all really fast as we didn't expect much and fell asleep for 4 hours, the only thing is there are reports of it causing stomach poisening.

Prof.Badass · 16-09-2008 3:02pm

Captain Ginger wrote: »

Smoke pretty much everything in the headshops (just for research ) the zohai stuff is nice enough but I find it a bit too mild

yeah, you have to smoke quite a bit of it.... but for me it does feel cleaner than smoke though.And it's also way more expensive.

Captain Ginger · 16-09-2008 3:08pm

vinylmesh wrote: »

yeah, you have to smoke quite a bit of it.... but for me it does feel cleaner than smoke though.And it's also way more expensive.

Noticed you use the word clean there, I have to agree, out of everything I have smoked be it cigs or whatever I have to say Smoke feels dirty, dunno what it is about it. Oh well nothing is perfect.

The Lemon kush stuff they sell is pretty decent too.

Never saw the hype in Spice Gold though, I get nothing off it and the smell/taste is horrible.

I think Spice Diamond is meant to be stronger isn't it?

Prof.Badass · 16-09-2008 3:14pm

for me spice is like a very mild psychedelic experience with some sedation and muscle relaxation thrown in. It really feels like a mix of loads of different stuff designed to give on paper the same effects as weed. But in practice you can feel the difference.

But this new synthetic stuff definately is a cannabinoid.

I said this before, but i wanna really stress it;

I wish they sold pills containing the secret ingredient of smoke!!:D

JC 2K3 · 16-09-2008 3:30pm

What if it's not active orally?

Herbal Smoke ?

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