i got bagged the next day!!

faceman

With comments like what we have seen from kizzyr and Golferx it demostrates that some people take pleasure in the OP's scenario.

This thread isnt about whether or not you can have a good time consuming alcohol
This thread isnt about Ireland's attitude to alcohol and social ireland

Whether or not anyone drinks or not does not give them more say or better judgement in this thread. Alcohol, rightly or wrongly, is part of irish lifestyle and culture and is sociall acceptable in many forms. We need to ensure we have appropriate measures in place to curb this. History has thought us that individuals cant bare this responsibilty alone.

I just cant understand why anyone would not support a notion for proper education and guidelines and thus help reduce the instances of drink driving on the roads and hopefully reduce accidents and fatalities as a result.

faceman

kizzyr wrote: »

Why is it always believed to be the government's responsibility to tell us exactly how much we can drink and still get away with driving?

Because it will save lives. Its a joint responsibility.

thecaptain

This is a scam, one of many.

On a side issue, why did you not refuse to blow into the machine.

Who is anyone, wearing a uniform or not, to tell you to blow into a tube?????????

The day a garda asks me to blow, he'll be in for a long wait.

As for the rest of you, you lot have been domesticated. Good little sheep.

thecaptain

Ross_Mahon wrote: »

The garda are everywhere lately, i think its that operation were they are trying to stop people driving on their provisional license.

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You are right about that, they are everywhere.

However it is about scamming innocent people out of their cash, based on trivial "offences".

OrangeDaisy

thecaptain wrote: »

This is a scam, one of many.

On a side issue, why did you not refuse to blow into the machine.

Who is anyone, wearing a uniform or not, to tell you to blow into a tube?????????

The day a garda asks me to blow, he'll be in for a long wait.

As for the rest of you, you lot have been domesticated. Good little sheep.

I wouldn't call myself a sheep.....just a law abiding citizen. I am thouroughly against drink-driving and would comply with whatever measures the gardai take to make sure the roads are safe to drive on

thecaptain

OrangeDaisy wrote: »

I wouldn't call myself a sheep.....just a law abiding citizen.

In Nazi Germany, the cops were not breaking any laws. Think about that.

OrangeDaisy wrote: »

I am thouroughly against drink-driving and would comply with whatever measures the gardai take to make sure the roads are safe to drive on

People like you would comply with anyone who assumes a position of authority.

mikemac

thecaptain wrote: »

This is a scam, one of many.

On a side issue, why did you not refuse to blow into the machine.

Who is anyone, wearing a uniform or not, to tell you to blow into a tube?????????

The day a garda asks me to blow, he'll be in for a long wait.

As for the rest of you, you lot have been domesticated. Good little sheep.

You'd be taken to the station for refusing to give a sample. Remember they are random checks so if you've no drink taken, why refuse if it just going to cause delays for you?
Come off it, you would not refuse. Hard man behind a keyboard eh?

I remember you from the EU forum; hate the capitalists, hate the gardai, most people are sheep?

Here is the site where you belong.

kizzyr

faceman wrote: »

With comments like what we have seen from kizzyr and Golferx it demostrates that some people take pleasure in the OP's scenario.

This thread isnt about whether or not you can have a good time consuming alcohol
This thread isnt about Ireland's attitude to alcohol and social ireland

Whether or not anyone drinks or not does not give them more say or better judgement in this thread. Alcohol, rightly or wrongly, is part of irish lifestyle and culture and is sociall acceptable in many forms. We need to ensure we have appropriate measures in place to curb this. History has thought us that individuals cant bare this responsibilty alone.

I just cant understand why anyone would not support a notion for proper education and guidelines and thus help reduce the instances of drink driving on the roads and hopefully reduce accidents and fatalities as a result.

I have taken no pleasure from the OP's situation. He was over the limit and got caught and has been punished for his breaking the law. Excusing his behaviour is wrong.

thecaptain wrote: »

This is a scam, one of many.

On a side issue, why did you not refuse to blow into the machine.

Who is anyone, wearing a uniform or not, to tell you to blow into a tube?????????

The day a garda asks me to blow, he'll be in for a long wait.

As for the rest of you, you lot have been domesticated. Good little sheep.

You're really brave aren't you:rolleyes:

thecaptain wrote: »

In Nazi Germany, the cops were not breaking any laws. Think about that.



People like you would comply with anyone who assumes a position of authority.

Nazi Germany? Ireland is like Nazi Germnay? Grow up FFS

colly10

random wrote: »

As part of the drink driving campaign we should all be provided with breathalisers so we can make sure we're ok to drive in the morning.

Totally agree, feel sorry for the OP on this one, people go out and drink the night before and go to the bother of getting the taxi home only to be caught the next day. There are too many factors to be considered when it comes to how long it takes to get out of your system and you could feel fresh as a daisy and still be well over the limit. He was well over after 11 and a half hours.

@the OP - Have alot of sympathy for ye but ye'd want to just forget about it now, **** happens, theres nothing thinking or talking about it's going to do now

colly10

Conar wrote: »

Just found a related RSA article:
http://www.rsa.ie/NEWS/News/One_in_Five_Morning_After_Crashes_Alcohol_Related.html

I think that its 1 in 5 are alcohol related anyway so the above makes no difference. I would say the vast majority of alcohol related road deaths happen in the early hours of the morning at the weekend

Golferx

faceman wrote: »

With comments like what we have seen from kizzyr and Golferx it demostrates that some people take pleasure in the OP's scenario.

..................

That is so ridiculous. It sums up, yet again, a pathetic attempt to justify the excesses as described in the OP.

faceman, you need to open your mind.

thecaptain

micmclo wrote: »

You'd be taken to the station for refusing to give a sample. Remember they are random checks so if you've no drink taken, why refuse if it just going to cause delays for you?
Come off it, you would not refuse. Hard man behind a keyboard eh?.

How about cavity searches at checkpoints, you might have a few grams hidden somewhere, but sure if you have nothing to hide.

micmclo wrote: »

I remember you from the EU forum; hate the capitalists, hate the gardai, most people are sheep?

Here is the site where you belong.

Thats right, and I also hate:

*do gooders
*politicians
*greenies
*busy bodies
*PCP's (politically correct people)

faceman

kizzyr wrote: »

I have taken no pleasure from the OP's situation. He was over the limit and got caught and has been punished for his breaking the law. Excusing his behaviour is wrong.

Golferx wrote: »

That is so ridiculous. It sums up, yet again, a pathetic attempt to justify the excesses as described in the OP.

faceman, you need to open your mind.

I have never excused the OP's behaviour in any of my posts, in fact if you re-read this thread i commented that his punishment is/was justified. Yet again you miss the point.

Despite my efforts, i have been unable to get either of you to say that you support better education and guidance for the general public so that potentially fatal situations on the roads can be avoided. None of your comments offer any suggestion on how we can avoid repeats of similar situations to the OP other than the comment "drink less". Which, with all due respect, has the same affect as telling a sober overweight person to "eat less".

I would like to think that i am wrong, and that you are both for promoting any ideas/proposals that would/could reduce situations that the OP found himself in (i.e. prevention rather than "cure") but your posts dont indicate this.

kizzyr

faceman wrote: »

I have never excused the OP's behaviour in any of my posts, in fact if you re-read this thread i commented that his punishment is/was justified. Yet again you miss the point.

Despite my efforts, i have been unable to get either of you to say that you support better education and guidance for the general public so that potentially fatal situations on the roads can be avoided. None of your comments offer any suggestion on how we can avoid repeats of similar situations to the OP other than the comment "drink less". Which, with all due respect, has the same affect as telling a sober overweight person to "eat less".

I would like to think that i am wrong, and that you are both for promoting any ideas/proposals that would/could reduce situations that the OP found himself in (i.e. prevention rather than "cure") but your posts dont indicate this.

"Conversing" elcetronically can lead to crossed wires, I am totally in support of people being better educated in the dangers of excessive alcohol consumption, in learing how your body (the average body will have to be the general guide given) metabolises alcohol, the factors that can influence this etc. I have no issue with people calling for this information. I also think that while waiting for the information to be made available then people should educate themselves as best they can and not spend their time moaning about it.
Telling / encouraging people to drink less is one step towards stopping situations like the one the OP is in happening. Over all Irish people do drink too much, there is too heavy a reliance on alcohol for almost every social event so encouraging a drop in this is no bad thing from where I am standing. Similarly telling/ encouraging an overweight person to eat less and exercise more is no bad thing either as they too are damaging their health.

chump

kizzyr wrote: »

Telling / encouraging people to drink less is one step towards stopping situations like the one the OP is in happening. Over all Irish people do drink too much, there is too heavy a reliance on alcohol for almost every social event so encouraging a drop in this is no bad thing from where I am standing. Similarly telling/ encouraging an overweight person to eat less and exercise more is no bad thing either as they too are damaging their health.

What you've done there is amazing.
You've taken a step back from your moralising and preaching and presented a reasonable and balanced opinion.
So well done.

Now all I would add to the above is;

How was the OP to think that he was going to be over the limit when he went driving in the afternoon after his weekend?

Is there a gap in the information in the public domain that a sensible person may not be aware that X hours after drinking he/she may still be over the limit?

Was the OP over the limit? Yes
Is it likely that very many people in a similar situation to the OP would have acted in the same way, or even less responsible? Yes

That there is the point.

Now stories like this help educate people of the risks.

But to not have sympathy for the OP, that I don't understand.

source

thecaptain wrote: »

This is a scam, one of many.

On a side issue, why did you not refuse to blow into the machine.

Who is anyone, wearing a uniform or not, to tell you to blow into a tube?????????

The day a garda asks me to blow, he'll be in for a long wait.

As for the rest of you, you lot have been domesticated. Good little sheep.

The people in uniform are the ones hired by the state to enforce the laws they introduce on behalf of the people, that´s who they are to tell you to blow into a tube.

you obviously missed my post where i pointed out the punishments for refusing to give a sample. Are you really telling me that you can afford to and would rather spend 6 months in jail and hand 635 yoyos over to the state, instead of blowing into a piece of plastic????

Not even a certified fool would do something that stupid.

kizzyr

chump wrote: »

What you've done there is amazing.
You've taken a step back from your moralising and preaching and presented a reasonable and balanced opinion.
So well done.

Now all I would add to the above is;

How was the OP to think that he was going to be over the limit when he went driving in the afternoon after his weekend?

Is there a gap in the information in the public domain that a sensible person may not be aware that X hours after drinking he/she may still be over the limit?

Was the OP over the limit? Yes
Is it likely that very many people in a similar situation to the OP would have acted in the same way, or even less responsible? Yes

That there is the point.

Now stories like this help educate people of the risks.

But to not have sympathy for the OP, that I don't understand.

The afternoon after his weekend? His weekend of drinking went on for a long time. The time frame between his last drink (of many) and driving wasn't really that long when everything was taken into consideration.
I was not preaching or moralising (IMO) in any of my posts and I stand over them all.
I have no sympathy for the OP and with his (as I see) it childish attitude to his work and readiness to go on the dole in October rather than find a way to work has ensured that I will continue to have no sympathy for him.

faceman

kizzyr wrote: »

"Conversing" elcetronically can lead to crossed wires, I am totally in support of people being better educated in the dangers of excessive alcohol consumption, in learing how your body (the average body will have to be the general guide given) metabolises alcohol, the factors that can influence this etc. I have no issue with people calling for this information. I also think that while waiting for the information to be made available then people should educate themselves as best they can and not spend their time moaning about it.
Telling / encouraging people to drink less is one step towards stopping situations like the one the OP is in happening. Over all Irish people do drink too much, there is too heavy a reliance on alcohol for almost every social event so encouraging a drop in this is no bad thing from where I am standing. Similarly telling/ encouraging an overweight person to eat less and exercise more is no bad thing either as they too are damaging their health.

Cool, thats what i was hoping you would say Im glad we're on the same page, i was getting worried for a while!

Tigger

i have sympathy for the op

he was wrong he got caught but there was no intent to break the law and that should be taken into consideration

i hope that his family and friends support him and that he and others can learn from this mistake

chalad07

Golferx wrote: »

I'm delighted to hear the OP got caught. Maybe next time he'll be a bit more sensible and not think a few hours rest is sufficient to clear his system of the drugs he's consumed.

You're delighted to hear that the OP got caught? Really? I guy that took every reasonable precaution, and still get's arrested. All the while ars*holes are speeding round the roads, in their Honda Civics, totally scot free? It's the Boy Racers who blatantly flaunt the law that the cops sound be focusing on, not some bloke just trying to get to work,

ART6

chalad07 wrote: »

You're delighted to hear that the OP got caught? Really? I guy that took every reasonable precaution, and still get's arrested. All the while ars*holes are speeding round the roads, in their Honda Civics, totally scot free? It's the Boy Racers who blatantly flaunt the law that the cops sound be focusing on, not some bloke just trying to get to work,

Right on! It never ceases to amaze me how many "holier than thou's" are on this forum. Hitting the guy with their nutcracking sledgehammer when he was probably better able to drive than half the dipsticks on the road at the time is the police state gone mad. I don't defend anyone who deliberately gets plastered and then gets into a car, but how far ahead are they going to extend this? Already there are demands that if you have any trace of alcohol in your blood then you should be punished. Is this perhaps a plan to get us all into monastaries and convents where we can be controlled by those who are always perfect?

I am sorry for the guy. The penalty in his case is likely to be way over the top because of how it will affect his life and his future. Perhaps it would please everyone if they just hang him and have done with it? Like Chalad says, maybe the righteous ones should spend a little time on the boy racers, and I would add the incompetents, the learners who can't be bothered to take lessons or tests, the nutters in vans who drive six feet off people's tailgates at 120 clicks. Nah -- that takes a bit of effort. Let's not bother:mad:

OrangeDaisy

thecaptain wrote: »

In Nazi Germany, the cops were not breaking any laws. Think about that.

I wouldn't compare this to Nazi Germany at all.....It's the implementation of a sensible law!

thecaptain wrote: »

People like you would comply with anyone who assumes a position of authority.

People like me? who don't like drink drivers and the carnage they cause?

Conar

ART6 wrote: »

Right on! It never ceases to amaze me how many "holier than thou's" are on this forum. Hitting the guy with their nutcracking sledgehammer when he was probably better able to drive than half the dipsticks on the road at the time is the police state gone mad. I don't defend anyone who deliberately gets plastered and then gets into a car, but how far ahead are they going to extend this? Already there are demands that if you have any trace of alcohol in your blood then you should be punished. Is this perhaps a plan to get us all into monastaries and convents where we can be controlled by those who are always perfect?

I am sorry for the guy. The penalty in his case is likely to be way over the top because of how it will affect his life and his future. Perhaps it would please everyone if they just hang him and have done with it? Like Chalad says, maybe the righteous ones should spend a little time on the boy racers, and I would add the incompetents, the learners who can't be bothered to take lessons or tests, the nutters in vans who drive six feet off people's tailgates at 120 clicks. Nah -- that takes a bit of effort. Let's not bother:mad:

Its all very well to say that but how the hell are the Garda going to know what he normally drives like and whether he has had a few drinks just before getting into the car or if it was the night before. Same for the courts.

Talliesin

We can be thankful that he's off our roads for a couple of years, but these slap-on-the-wrist sentences are a joke.

Dave147

random wrote: »

As part of the drink driving campaign we should all be provided with breathalisers so we can make sure we're ok to drive in the morning.

I agree, this breathalysing people in the afternoon is wrong. They're not looking for people who had pints that morning, they're looking for the people who enjoyed their sunday night out, got a taxi to the pub, a taxi home, and are going to work the next day trying to do a days work. And this sh*t happens, I do have sympathy for you but I also think you drank more than you said you did.

If we had our own breathalysers there would be no excuse, you get in your car you blow into it and if you're over the limit you find some other way to work.

Kavinsky

Dave147 wrote: »

If we had our own breathalysers there would be no excuse, you get in your car you blow into it and if you're over the limit you find some other way to work.

I have my own. Bought it from the internet. Handy little gadget alright!

Dave147

Yeah my dad has one aswell, I have no interest in buying one.. I avoid driving after nights out, and am a self confessed lightweight so don't drink too much! I can imagine they're handy alright. How much did it cost you?

the_syco

flanum wrote: »

all because i tried to do the right thing.

A few cans the night before being the "good thing", I'd hate to see the "bad thing"...:eek:

flanum

Update: Im 9 months off the road so far...! What can i add except much to my dismay i have now turned into a nazi cyclist(even had an article in the Cavan post about lack of cycle lanes and drivers disrespect to cyclists etc.. photo with me on the bike and all!). Still have till about march or so until i get my licence back...

What have i learned?? Cops are no more than glorified traffic wardens in this county, just look at the upsurge of violent attacks by chavs and cops doing nothing about it.../ Cavan roads are ****!! Especially at the edges... People dont know the rules of the road, expect you to cycle in the ditch etc etc... ggrrr...... ive a massive amount of respect for cyclists now that i didnt have have as much as before!

i still am pissed off at being bagged etc (see original post)...

oh yeah and im a wee bit fitter, but still havent given up the fags, tryin to invent an ashtray for bicycles!
just to keep yiz up to scratch!!

That_Guy

flanum wrote: »

Update: Im 9 months off the road so far...! What can i add except much to my dismay i have now turned into a nazi cyclist(even had an article in the Cavan post about lack of cycle lanes and drivers disrespect to cyclists etc.. photo with me on the bike and all!). Still have till about march or so until i get my licence back...

What have i learned?? Cops are no more than glorified traffic wardens in this county, just look at the upsurge of violent attacks by chavs and cops doing nothing about it.../ Cavan roads are ****!! Especially at the edges... People dont know the rules of the road, expect you to cycle in the ditch etc etc... ggrrr...... ive a massive amount of respect for cyclists now that i didnt have have as much as before!

i still am pissed off at being bagged etc (see original post)...

oh yeah and im a wee bit fitter, but still havent given up the fags, tryin to invent an ashtray for bicycles!
just to keep yiz up to scratch!!

What happens if you get caught out again when you're on your bike?

You'll be fcuked then my son.

Senna

If your cycling i'm guessing you still have your job, you probably have saved a bit of money with no car and as you said fitter, so lesson learned and not having a car probably hasn't been as bad as you though it would be.

That_Guy wrote: »

What happens if you get caught out again when you're on your bike?

Take away your bike license??

flanum

Senna wrote: »

If your cycling i'm guessing you still have your job, you probably have saved a bit of money with no car and as you said fitter, so lesson learned and not having a car probably hasn't been as bad as you though it would be.



Take away your bike license??

Lesson learned??? Read the original post.... yes if lesson learned means dont bother going to work the next day at all after a session... take away my bike??? ye should see me on a unicycle!!

Sharpshooter

What's with all the CPR on dead threads??