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togster

I don't give a toss who thinks it's offensive. A chinaman is a person from china. An english man is a man from england. It's not the same as calling a black man a negro or another n word.

It's all bull ****. What do we call them, chinese men? Why is that more acceptable?

I heard yesterday siamese twins was a derrogatory term for 2 people with body parts stuck together. So now we call them conjoined twins. Why? How is that offensive.

Caoimhín

togster wrote: »

I don't give a toss who thinks it's offensive. A chinaman is a person from china. An english man is a man from england. It's not the same as calling a black man a negro or another n word.

It's all bull ****. What do we call them, chinese men? Why is that more acceptable?

I heard yesterday siamese twins was a derrogatory term for 2 people with body parts stuck together. So now we call them conjoined twins. Why? How is that offensive.

There is a hard core of Pinky, Liberal, Leftie, Lesbian siamese/conjoined twins that meet every so often and decide on these things.

SimpleSam06

Thirdfox wrote: »

Similarly the term "Chinaman" may have been acceptable in the past but really isn't by today's standard.

Is there any version of PC-ness in contemporary Chinese culture, or is it a 1950s style free for all? I know a lot of ethnic groups have various derogatory terms for white people.

Thirdfox

connundrum wrote: »

I would have thought his logic would have pointed to a black man being called a blackman

My point was that archaic terms are archaic for a reason - if you continue to use them and know the potential problems using the term then you have to prepare for the potential consequences. I remember a few(?) years ago some Canadian basketball coach got into trouble for calling Yao Ming "that Chinaman" or something like that. Like it or not people are sensitive about perceived derogatory remarks.

Of course you could explain to every Chinese person you meet why you don't think what you said should offend them... but isn't it just plain easier to say Chinese?

Black isn't a country so my example doesn't transfer literally like that. Better scenario would be Nigeriaman...makes no sense - just call them Nigerian.

But I would say that things like this get blown out of proportion. Like I said, if you're racist, as long as you keep it private that's fine with me. If you're not racist but want to keep using the term publicly, then I'd hope you are ready to pre-emptively explain to people why you continue to use socially unacceptable words (people may be silent about the faux pas but they will have judged you privately already).

I remember hearing the Ching Chong Chinaman jokes when I was younger in the schoolyard - thank goodness no one does that anymore but certainly the term doesn't bring up good memories.

Just to re-iterate (because some people don't seem to have noticed this) but Chinese is the way Chinese people would most likely want to be referred to (and it's even shorter than Chinaman...) so I see no reason why people can't use the proper terms instead of one that could cause offence.

OK-Cancel-Apply

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Newsflash for you mate:
The Chinese aren't a race.

Ah well you could take this assertion all the way and claim that there are no races whatsoever, or you could take it the other way and start dividing people into thousands of different races. If you are Irish, there's a strong chance that you are a Viking, Celt, Saxon, Norman.... you see where I'm going? You'll gladly claim that the Chinese aren't a race if it's convenient. I suppose that would mean it's ok to call them anything you like, right? How about 'ch**ks' or 'Rice somethings'. Racist terms like that are fine and cool, because the Chinese are not a race, right? I don't think so.

kickoutthejams wrote: »

My point on them being as varied as the rest of us stands to reason as you are making points on the people I know. Despite you not even knowing them at all.

I'm not claiming that all Chinese people would be equally offended at a racist joke, I'm saying as a general rule of thumb, it's a good idea to steer clear of racist jokes. And like I said before, they are probably just laughing out of politeness.

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Yes mate, every single Chinaman has exactly the same humour style and are unable to laugh at themselves.

I'd wager all of my savings on MOST Chinese people being offended by 'Chinaman' jokes. Sure, you have friends who can 'laugh at themselves' (i.e. laugh politely in your presence), but you need to look beyond your own circle of friends.

Even if you could find somebody to laugh at the most hideously racist joke, it doesn't mean that joke passes the quality control test.

kickoutthejams wrote: »

The kind of people I know would hear it, laugh and then come back with a blistering counter attack. If it makes you feel more comfy, I can come up with some Irish jokes but you'd probably get offended.

Fine, so suffice it to say that the type of people you hang out with are not the type of people I would hang out with. I don't think exchanging racist jokes is a fun way to spend time.

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Wrong. Let's take the abstract rule: don't make a joke if it offends someone.

Nearly all levels of humour would be ruled out.

I'd love to hear how you'd come up with an abstract rule.

That's the easy way out of the issue. My point is that we CAN find these limits. Like abortion - is it a clear cut yes/no? No it isn't, and we need to have a debate, as a society, where we draw the line.

As for jokes, well, I can't say that the issue on what type of jokes are acceptable will ever have Dail-time, but on an individual level, I think we ought to have some judgement on it. And let's be honest, we all DO have that judgement - you wouldn't tell a Chinaman joke to a Chinese person you met for the first time, would you?

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Jokes need to be adapted to the people around them. I know someone who is in the process of "coming out" so I don't make lesbian jokes to her as she is finding it hard. I had a friend in Belgium who was established in her sexuality and loved hearing lesbian jokes and would come back with incisive straight people jokes.

I'm opposed to abstract rules as they are impossible to apply.

Yet you seem to be applying the "don't make a joke if it will offend somebody" one. You see, we CAN do it when we put some thought into it..

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Ah yeah. Pwning is a serious business. Get over yourself.
I posted a Pwn picture.
Yawn.

If you took your head out of your ass for a second, then you'd see the post wasn't an attempt to laugh at you pwning but the lame way you went about it.

Whatever, you brought it up not me.

kickoutthejams wrote: »

To be honest, I'm impressed that your willing to refer to a large intestine. WHAT IF SOMEONE PULLED A LOWER INTESTINE? OMG YOU OFFENDED THEM !!!!!!!111!!!!!

Huh?

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Hey well done, you found the italics key and have used it successfully multiple times in the post.

Allright, let's go through my post in idiot mode:

1) You are unable to differentiate between ethnicity and race.
2)You made a generalisation about the people I know, assuming that they must be offended. Surely you know that people are offended by different types of things and there are no hard and fast rules.

You're getting increasingly frustrated and hostile.

I know a lot about ethnicity and race, and I know enough to correctly identify a racist joke. As for the people you know - I didn't make a generalisation about them. That doesn't even make sense. I don't categorise the 'people that Kickoutthejams knows'. All I was trying to say was that if you know people in this country who belong to an ethnic/racial minority, and you tell jokes targeting people from that minority, they MAY only being laughing out of politeness. Then again, they may not...

kickoutthejams wrote: »

COnclusion: Your skewed view of race applied to Chinese people I know, and your bandying about of the word racism would infer that due to your generalisation of people I know, you are a racist.

Comprende?

No, you're only telling me I have a skewed view of race to get out of the fact the 'chinaman' is a racist colonial era term, and should not be used in 2008. And lets face it, you don't use that word 2 metres from your keyboard.

Thirdfox

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

Is there any version of PC-ness in contemporary Chinese culture, or is it a 1950s style free for all? I know a lot of ethnic groups have various derogatory terms for white people.

Oh yes - I know of the problems you're referring to, certainly you don't see the term "foreign devil" being used by the Chinese/Japanese/other Asian countries that often anymore. And when I see it I'm quick to point out that it's not something people should continue doing.

I have yet to hear of a derogatory Chinese term for the Irish though (American, English, Japanese...anyone who have been involved in wars with China have some variant of "devil" attached to their country name) but the practice is mostly dying out thankfully.

And yes, things are changing in other areas too - mentally disabled v. retarded, bastard v. single-parent family etc. (these terms were acceptable in Ireland until recently - just look at our "lunatics law").

dsmythy

A bit mad that Chinaman is supposed to be a bad thing to say now.

There's is something not right about calling someone from China "a Chinese" like i would call someone from Germany "a German".

Same applies to calling someone "an Irish". Just doesn't sound right. Hence "he's an Irishman".

Ridiculous debate really.

Thirdfox

togster wrote: »

I don't give a toss who thinks it's offensive. A chinaman is a person from china. An english man is a man from england. It's not the same as calling a black man a negro or another n word.

It's all bull ****. What do we call them, chinese men? Why is that more acceptable?

I heard yesterday siamese twins was a derrogatory term for 2 people with body parts stuck together. So now we call them conjoined twins. Why? How is that offensive.

Oh and I love how you seemingly contradict yourself - shouldn't you say either:
A)
"A Chinese man is a person from China. An English man is a man from England"
or
"A Chinaman is a person from China. An Englandman is a man from England"
?

Yet by saying neither A nor B hopefully you can see why people are puzzled why you don't seem to apply the same logic to all of your English.

Caoimhín

Seriously. Who decides when a term has become racist/derogatory? Because often it comes as a complete surprise when I hear of a new word/thought being outlawed.

Roen

1:00 onward

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQBlZIXu3Yg

Lockstep

yay!

I do so love responses from my new friend:D

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

Ah well you could take this assertion all the way and claim that there are no races whatsoever, or you could take it the other way and start dividing people into thousands of different races. If you are Irish, there's a strong chance that you are a Viking, Celt, Saxon, Norman.... you see where I'm going? You'll gladly claim that the Chinese aren't a race if it's convenient. I suppose that would mean it's ok to call them anything you like, right? How about 'ch**ks' or 'Rice somethings'. Racist terms like that are fine and cool, because the Chinese are not a race, right? I don't think so.

Allright mate. Do you really need clarification on this?
The chinese are the people of a nation. Not a race unto themselves.
JEsus, it's hardly complicated.

Nothing to do with that being Chinese means that they can be treated inferior, but you really are showing ignorance here on the simple facts of race, ethnicity and citizenship.

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

I'm not claiming that all Chinese people would be equally offended at a racist joke, I'm saying as a general rule of thumb, it's a good idea to steer clear of racist jokes. And like I said before, they are probably just laughing out of politeness.

No, but you were making assumptions about the people I know.
And once again, making unPC jokes is not racist.

I really am sick of the presumptions you have about an entire group of people

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

I'd wager all of my savings on MOST Chinese people being offended by 'Chinaman' jokes. Sure, you have friends who can 'laugh at themselves' (i.e. laugh politely in your presence), but you need to look beyond your own circle of friends.

How can you even say most? I would never make such a claim simply as it would be nigh on impossible to back up. If you want to wager all your savings on such a ridiculous prospect, please go ahead. It would amuse me.
LAughing at oneself does not mean they will laugh politely in your presence. Instead of telling me to look beyond my own circle of friends, how about you accept that just because you seem uptight about things doesn't mean other people are too?
Humans are all so very different from one another. I strongly suggest you get this fact into your head as soon as possible as it would make the rest of your life so much easier if you were to do so. You seem uptight about such things so I wouldn't do so in your presence. Likewise, among my friends I would still do so as everyone's individuality means we all like different things.

For example, if someone makes a bad remark about white people ( a shop here in Galway advertises Gringo food, a visiting MExican student was shocked) I'm aware of what it means but it honestly doesn't bother me. Nothing to do with
laughing politely and far more about accepting the Give and Take that results in teh moderns world.

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

Even if you could find somebody to laugh at the most hideously racist joke, it doesn't mean that joke passes the quality control test.

Sad to break it to you mate but jokes are horrendously subjective. Even if one person does find a joke racist, it doesn't automatically make it so.
There is no hard and fast rules for jokes and humour.
Sorry.

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

Fine, so suffice it to say that the type of people you hang out with are not the type of people I would hang out with. I don't think exchanging racist jokes is a fun way to spend time.

Ah yeah, sure nothing amuses us more than to tell a racist joke before heading off to burn some crosses and dress as ghosts.
Believe it or not, it isn't an integral part of our group dynamic.
Why would you not like to hang around with them? Because they don't give a toss about jokes? One has 24% vision, another has a father convicted of kiddy porn ownership so he killed himself, another is unable to get a job due to a syndrome he has, yet another is a lesbian etc etc etc.
None of them is the slighest bit bothered about an off hand remark. They will still go up in arms if they know they are being insulted but that's just the way things work.

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

That's the easy way out of the issue. My point is that we CAN find these limits. Like abortion - is it a clear cut yes/no? No it isn't, and we need to have a debate, as a society, where we draw the line.

I would dearly love to see how you would try and explain your plan here. Please enlighten me.

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

As for jokes, well, I can't say that the issue on what type of jokes are acceptable will ever have Dail-time, but on an individual level, I think we ought to have some judgement on it. And let's be honest, we all DO have that judgement - you wouldn't tell a Chinaman joke to a Chinese person you met for the first time, would you?

As I have said before in my post, no I wouldn't. Simply as it would be not nice to cause unecessary offence. IF I know someone is the type of person who embraces reciprocal slagging ( as is common in IReland) then I have no problem slagging on an issue I know won't cause immediate offence to them.

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

Yet you seem to be applying the "don't make a joke if it will offend somebody" one. You see, we CAN do it when we put some thought into it..

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

Whatever, you brought it up not me.

Nice backing out of the argument there. Kudos.

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

Huh?

It's hardly rocket science.

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

You're getting increasingly frustrated and hostile.

This is an extremely common comment in internet arguing: that one person is getting too angry. Up until now, while I felt you were in the wrong, I respected the way you were putting your points across. The last one, sadly, is just pathetic.

I'm supposed to say "YOu sure it's me who's getting angry and frustrated", but I'm not going to lower myself to your level.

Next.

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

I know a lot about ethnicity and race,

No you don't, you talk about being Chinese as if it's a race.

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

and I know enough to correctly identify a racist joke. As for the people you know - I didn't make a generalisation about them. That doesn't even make sense. I don't categorise the 'people that Kickoutthejams knows'. All I was trying to say was that if you know people in this country who belong to an ethnic/racial minority, and you tell jokes targeting people from that minority, they MAY only being laughing out of politeness. Then again, they may not...

I really am sick of being forced to dig up this quote of yours again and again.
*sighs*

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

The minorities who laugh at your racist jokes are only being polite.

You never said they MAY. YOu said the above.

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

No, you're only telling me I have a skewed view of race to get out of the fact the 'chinaman' is a racist colonial era term, and should not be used in 2008. And lets face it, you don't use that word 2 metres from your keyboard.

Oh? You're suddenly an expert on my speech outside of boards?
Actually I do use it ("See that guy?" "Who, the China man?) Although I also the word Chinese. There really is no rhyme or reason to the usage.

It's not a racist colonial era term.

In the same way that Irish man, French man, South African man etc are all used to denote
a)Nationality (NOT race)
b)Gender.

This puts it well enough:

dsmythy wrote: »

A bit mad that Chinaman is supposed to be a bad thing to say now.

There's is something not right about calling someone from China "a Chinese" like i would call someone from Germany "a German".

Same applies to calling someone "an Irish". Just doesn't sound right. Hence "he's an Irishman".

Ridiculous debate really.

This really isn't that complicated mate. I'm baffled as to how you fail to get your head round it.

Caoimhín

kickoutthejams wrote: »

This really isn't that complicated mate. I'm baffled as to how you fail to get your head round it.

I might add you to my buddies list.

elpresdentde

so if you are to be pc this place would be the only place you could refer to someone from there as a chinaman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinaman_Island

or at least a chinaman islander

Lockstep

caoibhin wrote: »

I might add you to my buddies list.

Ah yeah feel free.

Unless your being sarcastic. Difficult to tell over t3h intrnets.

Lockstep

Actually screw this arguing, I've just seen how long our posts are and am gonna back out before I get an AH ban.
I've just discovered the ignore list button and Ok-Cancel-Apply has the honor of being the first person added.

Feel free to continue your 'points' against me, sadly I won't be responding.

Hardly matters really as the entire argument is so circular.

adam.number2

dsmythy wrote: »

A bit mad that Chinaman is supposed to be a bad thing to say now.

There's is something not right about calling someone from China "a Chinese" like i would call someone from Germany "a German".

Same applies to calling someone "an Irish". Just doesn't sound right. Hence "he's an Irishman".

Ridiculous debate really.

Good lord, is this forum full of racist cretans.

Ireland -equivalent- China
Irish -equivalent- Chinese
"He's an Irishman" -equivalent- "He's a Chineseman"
"He's an Irishman" -is not equivalent to- "He's a Chinaman"

Someone using "a chinaman" phrase is not only grammatically incorrect, he is at worst being purposely offensive, at best, moronic.

TerrorFirmer

Was just about to say that. It's Irishman and English man, not Irelandman and Englandman, therefore extending the same grammar it's Chineseman. I would find Chinaman a bit derogatory to be honest. I would just say a person is 'Chinese'

One of the takeaways here is actually called 'The Chinaman.' :pac:

OK-Cancel-Apply

kickoutthejams wrote: »

yay!
Allright mate. Do you really need clarification on this?
The chinese are the people of a nation. Not a race unto themselves.
JEsus, it's hardly complicated.

I've been there, and they definitely consider themselves a race. See, the issue of race and nationality can be tricky, and you really show your ignorance on the topic with comments like that. If I was born in China, and moved here at an early age, there's no way anyone would call me Chinese.

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Nothing to do with that being Chinese means that they can be treated inferior, but you really are showing ignorance here on the simple facts of race, ethnicity and citizenship.

Well, I think you need to educate yourself further on the issue.

kickoutthejams wrote: »

No, but you were making assumptions about the people I know.
And once again, making unPC jokes is not racist.

Sometimes it is, just like sometimes it's sexist, ageist...etc. Not all un-PC jokes are racist, but all racist jokes are un-PC.

kickoutthejams wrote: »

I really am sick of the presumptions you have about an entire group of people.

lol!

kickoutthejams wrote: »

How can you even say most? I would never make such a claim simply as it would be nigh on impossible to back up. If you want to wager all your savings on such a ridiculous prospect, please go ahead. It would amuse me.
LAughing at oneself does not mean they will laugh politely in your presence. Instead of telling me to look beyond my own circle of friends, how about you accept that just because you seem uptight about things doesn't mean other people are too?

Yes, and I would also wager my savings on most black people being offended by racist jokes targeted at them.

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Humans are all so very different from one another. I strongly suggest you get this fact into your head as soon as possible as it would make the rest of your life so much easier if you were to do so. You seem uptight about such things so I wouldn't do so in your presence. Likewise, among my friends I would still do so as everyone's individuality means we all like different things.

So you're trying to imply that I generalise all HUMANS? Yes, I'm uptight about some things. The world isn't a playground that we can all piss about in - we have to look out for each other and make the best effort we can to get along.

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Sad to break it to you mate but jokes are horrendously subjective. Even if one person does find a joke racist, it doesn't automatically make it so.
There is no hard and fast rules for jokes and humour.
Sorry.

Ah right, so a joke that makes an extremely negative stereotypical generalisation about somebody who belongs to a given race can never be objectively called 'racist'? Sorry man that's silly.

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Ah yeah, sure nothing amuses us more than to tell a racist joke before heading off to burn some crosses and dress as ghosts.
Believe it or not, it isn't an integral part of our group dynamic.
Why would you not like to hang around with them? Because they don't give a toss about jokes? One has 24% vision, another has a father convicted of kiddy porn ownership so he killed himself, another is unable to get a job due to a syndrome he has, yet another is a lesbian etc etc etc.
None of them is the slighest bit bothered about an off hand remark. They will still go up in arms if they know they are being insulted but that's just the way things work.

So am I to assume that you've already tested their limits by making fun of their syndromes, their past and their sexuality? What are you trying to tell me here?

kickoutthejams wrote: »

I would dearly love to see how you would try and explain your plan here. Please enlighten me.

It could turn out to be a long post, but a good start would be to figure out what might upset, insult of offend somebody. It would seem pretty obvious though, that making 'jokes' about someone's race, ethnicity or nationality is dodgy at best. I'm disappointed that someone should even ask me to come up with a hard and fast rule, because I think if we simply excersise a little empathy for our fellow man, it would all become clear.

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Nice backing out of the argument there. Kudos.

What argument? We were discussing 'pwnage' I believe. Do you want to continue that childishness?

kickoutthejams wrote: »

It's hardly rocket science.

Again, you're hoping to mislead people who haven't read what I typed. I said "Huh?" in response to something strange and incoherant you said regarding intestines. I don't know what point you were trying to make (something about naming the 'Large' intestine the 'Lower' intestine?). Had I understood, I would have given you a better response.

kickoutthejams wrote: »

This is an extremely common comment in internet arguing: that one person is getting too angry. Up until now, while I felt you were in the wrong, I respected the way you were putting your points across. The last one, sadly, is just pathetic.

You said, "Let me say it again in idiot mode". You indirectly called me an idiot.

kickoutthejams wrote: »

No you don't, you talk about being Chinese as if it's a race.

Believe it or not, I can tell the general population of China, Korea and Japan apart (to give a few examples). Something tells me you haven't been to that part of the world. Regardless, race and nationality can be a grey area sometimes. Any misty-eyed Irish-American will tell you that 'Irish' is a race. Some English people consider 'English' a race.

The point is, sometimes, for all intents and purposes, some nationalities can be call a 'race', and other times they cannot. Technically, there are ONLY nationalities, but that's not a get out of jail free card that can be used to excuse a racist joke (i.e. 'Chinamen' with small genitalia).

kickoutthejams wrote: »

In the same way that Irish man, French man, South African man etc are all used to denote
a)Nationality (NOT race)
b)Gender.

Irish man = Chinese man, not Chinaman. You know the latter is an offensive, dated term.

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Actually screw this arguing, I've just seen how long our posts are and am gonna back out before I get an AH ban.
I've just discovered the ignore list button and Ok-Cancel-Apply has the honor of being the first person added.

Feel free to continue your 'points' against me, sadly I won't be responding.

Hardly matters really as the entire argument is so circular.

Well, I suppose that says it all really. And something tells me I'm not really on your iggy list.

OK-Cancel-Apply

adam.number2 wrote: »

Good lord, is this forum full of racist cretans.

Ireland -equivalent- China
Irish -equivalent- Chinese
"He's an Irishman" -equivalent- "He's a Chineseman"
"He's an Irishman" -is not equivalent to- "He's a Chinaman"

Someone using "a chinaman" phrase is not only grammatically incorrect, he is at worst being purposely offensive, at best, moronic.

Exactly! I think over here we are just a little bit ignorant. For instance, we call a sandwich a 'sambo' (which is a racist term for a black person) and I'm sure many foreigners are shocked when they see the minivan that belongs to a well known sandwich bar chain with the words, "Sambo Run" on the side!

Lockstep

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

One of the takeaways here is actually called 'The Chinaman.' :pac:

Is this in Oranmore or Galway?

Everywhere has Chinese resteraunts now.

Even Achill.

God love them, I adore Chinese food:D.

TPD

I dont see 'Irelandman' as a derogative term for an Irishman, so I dont see why 'Chinaman' is deemed a derogative term for a Chinese man.

Also, given the examples of 'Scotsman', 'Welshman', 'Englishman', 'Irishman' etc. all being of the Irish(from Ireland)man format, I think the reason 'Chinaman' is used instead of 'Chineseman' is that 'Chineseman' doesnt really suit being one word, whereas 'Irishman' etc do.

That doesnt make the best sense after reading it, but read it again and you might get it.

Lockstep

At the end of the day, it's just a word and it's the context that's important.


Although most of the PC crowd will still be sitting the dark room not trying to offend anyone while the rest of the world is out having fun.

singloud

"Well, I suppose that says it all really. And something tells me I'm not really on your iggy list. "
What an arrogant child

assuming people on the web give enough of a damn about him not to put him on their ignore list






Back on topic: Chinaman is a bit off. personally i wouldnt use it

Red Hand

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Is this in Oranmore or Galway?

Everywhere has Chinese resteraunts now.

Even Achill.

God love them, I adore Chinese.

Yes, they are very tasty. Polish can be quite stringy sometimes.

TPD

kickoutthejams wrote: »

At the end of the day, it's just a word and it's the context that's important.


Although most of the PC crowd will still be sitting the dark room not trying to offend anyone while the rest of the world is out having fun.

[light hearted but serious message]
So, if a bunch of feminist dykes start using 'man' as a derogatory term, insinuating things such as slobiness, laziness, chauvanism etc, does that mean the word will become un-PC? The Chinaman name will be double trouble then.
[/light hearted but serious message]

Lockstep

TPD wrote: »

[light hearted but serious message]
So, if a bunch of feminist dykes start using 'man' as a derogatory term, insinuating things such as slobiness, laziness, chauvanism etc, does that mean the word will become un-PC? The Chinaman name will be double trouble then.
[/light hearted but serious message]

I wouldn;t be bothered what women associate with men.

To each their own, it hardly bothers me.

singloud

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote: »

Polish can be quite stringy sometimes.

except for the children

they are very sweet

Cunny-Funt

SO chinesman is ok but Chinaman is racist? WTF?

@ the sambo thing. Never heard that either. But then again I suppose we should start banning the sale of crackers as well since apparently they are raciest too.

What about Jap for Japanese people? Is that racist? All that is is Japanese shortened down.

Is Brit raciest?

WTF new smilie? = :rolleyes:

OK-Cancel-Apply

singloud wrote: »

"Well, I suppose that says it all really. And something tells me I'm not really on your iggy list. "
What an arrogant child

assuming people on the web give enough of a damn about him not to put him on their ignore list






Back on topic: Chinaman is a bit off. personally i wouldnt use it

Well, to say you're putting someone on ignore instead of debating further with them is a sure sign of defeat, and when you read back through what he said to me, it's pretty clear who the child really is here.

kleefarr

Overheal wrote: »

:eek:

It's a bloke, you can see the adams apple.

HERE

singloud

Hardly a sure sign of defeat as you kept making the same points again and again

neither is it a sure sign of defeat to be the one who walks away

although i disagree with what his views on the word chinaman

How is he supposedly a child

Kovik

The difficulty with the term "chinaman" is that it used to be applied to anyone from east asia, be it China, Japan, Korea etc. It implies an uninformed, homogenised view of the east by westerners.

Also, that all you can eat chinese food place on the north side is getting me through college.

Lockstep

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

SO chinesman is ok but Chinaman is racist? WTF?

@ the sambo thing. Never heard that either. But then again I suppose we should start banning the sale of crackers as well since apparently they are raciest too.

What about Jap for Japanese people? Is that racist? All that is is Japanese shortened down.

Is Brit raciest?

WTF new smilie? = :rolleyes:

Meh, neither the brits, the japs or the chinese are a race.

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kickoutthejams wrote: »

At the end of the day, it's just a word and it's the context that's important.

Although most of the PC crowd will still be sitting the dark room not trying to offend anyone while the rest of the world is out having fun.

Just a word... right let's bring back ALL of the racist terms then, yeah? What should we call Jews again? Something beginning with 'K'? What do we call Italians or Hispanics? Is the 'N' word just a word? Better be damn careful where you throw that one around.

I'm happy to call myself 'PC' if it means distancing myself from racism, sexism and ignorant bigotry. And yes, have 'fun' with your insults. The world is your playground, and other people are nothing but the fuel for YOUR personal experience and journey through life. As long as YOU are happy with the way things are, nothing else matters.

Oh wait, I'm on your ignore list, right? Ah don't mind me...;)

singloud

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

Oh wait, I'm on your ignore list, right? Ah don't mind me...;)

I have to ask mate
how old are you as you really come across as immature.


ok, this shouldnt bother me but it does

something about your posts really gets on my nerves

Lockstep

I always thought sambo was a Russian combat sport.


You live you learn.

Caoimhín

singloud wrote: »

I have to ask mate
how old are you


ok, this shouldnt bother me but it does

something about your posts really gets on my nerves

Yeah, annoyed me too. First on my ignore list, well done you.

Lockstep

caoibhin wrote: »

Yeah, annoyed me too. First on my ignore list, well done you.

Ooh, I seem to have sparked a trend:D

singloud

I dont add anyone to my ignore list but he came close

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singloud wrote: »

How is he supposedly a child

Didn't you read his posts? First he spoke about 'pwnage', tried to engage me in a discussion about it, then he tried replying to me in such a way as to fool new readers into thinking I'd said something I hadn't. Then he called me an idiot, in a manner only inches away from being banned.

Also, it appears as if he's trying to continue debating me indirectly (he clearly doesn't have my on iggy).

Mr. CooL ICE

@OK-Cancel-Apply:
I don't know if you're trolling or are genuinely confused as to what KOTJ is saying, but i will assume for now that its the latter. He clearly said that he tells chinese jokes to his chinese friends, not to randomers. I assume you don't know his friends, so who are you to tell him what his friends are thinking?

IMO, if you wouldn't like a foreign friend of yours to make an irish joke at you, you're lacking a sense of humour. But just accept that not everybody is like you.

singloud

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

Didn't you read his posts? First he spoke about 'pwnage', tried to engage me in a discussion about it, then he tried replying to me in such a way as to fool new readers into thinking I'd said something I hadn't. Then he called me an idiot, in a manner only inches away from being banned.

Also, it appears as if he's trying to continue debating me indirectly (he clearly doesn't have my on iggy).

You love playing the victim don't you?

From what I can see, you both had a go at each others throats. I honestly don't see where your coming from here except playing the martyr. Look, he has a differing opinion to you, and while he did come across as heavy handed and has IMHO wrong opinions, I really don't see where your coming across.

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singloud wrote: »

I have to ask mate
how old are you as you really come across as immature.


ok, this shouldnt bother me but it does

something about your posts really gets on my nerves

How many accounts do you have, 'mate'?

caoibhin wrote:

Yeah, annoyed me too. First on my ignore list, well done you.

3 and counting.


Please, everyone who finds what I have to say repugnant, ignore me, but don't try and continue to debate me if I cannot reply to you.

Also, maybe anyone who thinks it's ok to call people 'chinamen' and who tells racist jokes could add their name to a list so I can ignore and avoid them.

My theory that the internet is a cesspool of ignorance and bigotry gets stronger every day.

Lockstep

Oh Ok-cancel-apply.


Do you really, honestly think that you are so important that I would pretend to ignore you?

You really do take the biscuit.

Of course I have you on ignore.

Sadly, I can still see your posts as singloud has been quoting them. He's not on my ignore list. Man, your probably the first person on Boards to genuinely annoy me.


Are you a troll? As your deliberate misinterpretations really do come across as odd.

Lockstep

LordChessington wrote: »

IMO, if you wouldn't like a foreign friend of yours to make an irish joke at you, you're lacking a sense of humour. But just accept that not everybody is like you.

Puts it across well.

+1

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LordChessington wrote: »

@OK-Cancel-Apply:
I don't know if you're trolling or are genuinely confused as to what KOTJ is saying, but i will assume for now that its the latter. He clearly said that he tells chinese jokes to his chinese friends, not to randomers. I assume you don't know his friends, so who are you to tell him what his friends are thinking?

IMO, if you wouldn't like a foreign friend of yours to make an irish joke at you, you're lacking a sense of humour. But just accept that not everybody is like you.

Did you read the entire conversation? And you're not sure if I'm 'trolling'... thanks.

Havermeyer

Haven't read the whole thread, so sorry if she has been mentioned before. But Lucy Lui ftw.

singloud

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

How many accounts do you have, 'mate'?
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So i disagree with you and get accused of being an alt account

.....

corcaigh07

best i could do, i wanted a flashing ted/not racist picture!

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kickoutthejams wrote: »

Oh Ok-cancel-apply.


Do you really, honestly think that you are so important that I would pretend to ignore you?

You really do take the biscuit.

Of course I have you on ignore.

Sadly, I can still see your posts as singloud has been quoting them. He's not on my ignore list. Man, your probably the first person on Boards to genuinely annoy me.


Are you a troll? As your deliberate misinterpretations really do come across as odd.

Are we going to talk through other people's quotes now? Why even address me at this point if you claim to have me on iggy?