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I may not have this worded correctly, but it's the gist of it anyway. The difficulty in defining what is target shooting and therefore what a range is was discussed at length, but it appears that the onus is on the range operator (whether ad hoc or otherwise) to ensure that it is authorised. The range inspector stated that he wasn't going to be 'jumping hedgerows' in order to find ranges.
o yes i can see that happing NOT 1 were i shoot i hope he can jump
12 feat high. 2 in 7.5 years in mayo i was stopped only one time why
are you were a seat belt never asked for 1 road tax 2 insurance 3
nct cert ans never so i can not wait to meet SUPERCOP:rolleyes:0 -
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Was thinking of maybe inviting some of the speaker from the DoJ/gardi to a range shoot, so they can see what its all about and maybe
dis spell some of the images they have in there heads.
It might just get us up that ladder abit faster;) and who knows some might even get a feel for it:eek:0 -
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Was thinking of maybe inviting some of the speaker from the DoJ/gardi to a range shoot, so they can see what its all about and maybe dis spell some of the images they have in there heads.
It might just get us up that ladder abit faster;) and who knows some might even get a feel for it:eek:
it is worth a try steve:cool:0 -
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Just to get back on topic momentarily
One of the highlights of the last couple of days, was the informal chats over dinner/pints with different people at the event.
One of the more instructive conversations I had was with the Surrey firearms manager. We were asking how the licence application procedure worked in his area and he described it like this:
We receive the application and I allocate it to one of my officers (he has eight: all retired policemen). The officers have to do a certain number of appointments a week, but they can choose the times and days so long as they cover their list. (He described it as one of the nicest jobs imaginable, because they are treated with courtesy, cups of tea and bikkies without exception).
The officer will typically spend an hour with the applicant and assess all the usual factors such as 'good reason' etc. and get a 'feel' for the applicant in the process. They will also suggest possible best sites within the house for the gun safe and advise on other possible security enhancements (things like locks and windows/doors etc.).
The applicant is advised not to install a gun safe or any other security aspects until they have been approved.
At this point we were openmouthed with amazement and I commented that it sounded like they were providing a service. :eek:
"Yes" was the matter of fact response.0 -
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I would not hold out much hope, they (DOJ) were given legal advice that because persons reloading were in some way accredited ( they want us to do training)by the state, any accidents could lead the state ( State claims agency) being liable to damages. It was pointed out that the state licences shooters but is not liable for damages with shooting accidents.
GB then said they could be used in pipebombs, ( real joe duffy stuff here) and it was pointed out that all that was needed was a visit to the supermarket to get the ingredients.
GB also pointed out that reloading was being tightened up in the UK, And the dangers about underloads leading to breaches blowing up. again it was all a bit grasping at straws
He also mentioned that the powder storage would come under the new explosives act. and that all places would need to be inspected to allow powders to be kept. And there was not the resources to do this.
I really dont think they want to allow handloading : I feel that it might be ignorance about what reloading entails, I would love to send my old RCBS training video to the department, but cannot find it - does anyone out there have a copy ?
I am really disappointed to hear this.
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I am really disappointed to hear this.
Listening to GB reminds me of the attitude of his department from 1972 to 2004 when the high court took over!
If GB were to read their own recently published legislation on "Stores for Explosives Order 2007" SI 804 of 2007, he would read two very important things about propellant used in reloading:
1) The risk of exposion!!
Hazard types, 4. (1) (c) Hazard Type 3............an explosive which has a fire hazard and either a minor blast hazard or minor projection hazard or both but not a mass explosion hazard.
2) Inpsection of storage facilites for home loading, to even consider that such a location need be inspected is beyond belief and excuses of resources being an issue when yet again the same legislation requires no seperation distance for Hazard Type 3 explosive if stored in quantites of less than 5Kg.
Pity they can't get a grip on this one, and to say that there is a risk of criminals using propellant in pipe bombs is the old chesnut.
Implementation of the reloading segment of the CJA 2006 is really the most straighforward of all the sections given a bit of logical thinking on the matter.
But then virtually nothing else has been implemented so it is unlikley that this will move before we are all old men.
Silly thing about all this is that reloading is widely practiced in any case, Why because it is not presently against the law. Nobody to date has blown themselves or the family home up, it would appear that the established practice is proven to be safe. I have not seen any blown rifles or pistols due to under or overloaded ammunition, I have see some barrels damaged with squib loads in factory ammo.
Had a great day with the family up at the Battle of the Boyne site on Sunday, there was black powder guns being fired all over the place, black powder!!! If there is facility at these lcations for making noise why not allow legitimate shooters practice home loading, it is one hell of a lot safer. But then DOJ have decided in the "Stores for explosives Order 2007" That shooters powder includes, black powder, smokless powder or any other propellant, what a big differnece between smokless and blackpowder there is!0 -
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:D:D.ya count me in steve 
i have send to you pat a pm
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