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Predict Kidneys first team
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RuggieBear wrote: »Maximus82 is banned. Coherent arguments please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Podge_irl View Post
Well that's complete nonsense.
Ruggie, what do you think - another coherent argument?
I wouldn't ban Podge though:) and hopefully you won't ban either of us
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RickyHatton wrote: »Oh right so because 2 players are in a team that got further in the H Cup they should start over two players that are playing better than them
Great logic.
Well, its one way of measuring how good they are by how much they win (which is what competitive sport is about). In fact, I'd guess that is how most people's logic would work. Since you seem to think that POC was playing all season, it would seem you didn't see too much of DOC and MOD to evaluate.The only thing hilarious is you completely misreading my post. I said he is kept out of the backline because of it's quality BUT I dont agree with that
My interpretation of what you wrote is that youth must come before anything else. Anyone over 28 should be sent to the knackers yard if there is any 20 year old that looks capable of being any use to take their place.That wasn't BOD's influence that was common sense. ROG was playing better than Humphreys. Are you trying to say that EOS wanted to start Humphreys but decided against it because BOD wanted ROG instead
because that is RIDICULOUS.
Well that is the message you get from any of the Ulster rugby message boards. We all seem to know what GOD's opinion on pretty much everything.
Perhaps you didn't notice, but there was huge ROG v. Humphs debate a couple of years ago.It's all BODs fault. BOD is spoilt. BOD was the cause of the bad WC. BOD, BOD, BOD - get a clue.
No, its not all BOD's fault.So tell me if BOD had such an influence where was Cullen surely he would've wanted Cullen in the squad so where was he
After all as you said 'What BOD wanted, BOD used to get'
Why would he want Cullen in the national squad. Just because they both play for Leinster? BOD & DOC won an U19 world Cup together. Maybe BOD thinks that POC & DOC are better locks than Leo. 0 -
thehighground wrote: »Well, its one way of measuring how good they are by how much they win (which is what competitive sport is about). In fact, I'd guess that is how most people's logic would work.
So if a player's team wins regularly then they should automatically gain their place ahead of better players playing in a team that isn't doing as well that is completely absurd. You measure how good a player is by how well they play not how well their team plays.Since you seem to think that POC was playing all season, it would seem you didn't see too much of DOC and MOD to evaluate.
Could you post where I said POC was playing all season otherwise I would like an apology from you for making stuff up to discredit me.My interpretation of what you wrote is that youth must come before anything else. Anyone over 28 should be sent to the knackers yard if there is any 20 year old that looks capable of being any use to take their place.
Jesus that was quite an assumption to make seeing as all I said was that I believed Cheika was wrong in not starting himWell that is the message you get from any of the Ulster rugby message boards. We all seem to know what GOD's opinion on pretty much everything. Perhaps you didn't notice, but there was huge ROG v. Humphs debate a couple of years ago.
And you believe it. I did notice the debate but I also noticed that near the end of it many of the pundits and the vast majority of fans I spoke to settled on ROG and he seemed a dead cert to be picked.No, its not all BOD's fault.
I think BOD is the victim in most of this. A lot of people questioning his ability as a captain when the ENTIRE team was misfiring.Why would he want Cullen in the national squad. Just because they both play for Leinster? BOD & DOC won an U19 world Cup together. Maybe BOD thinks that POC & DOC are better locks than Leo.
Maybe, Possibly, Perhaps I was merely responding to your ASSUMPTIONS [cause that is all they are] with another assumption you assume he had a say in the team, I assumed that if that was the case then why didn't he want a player he has already stated he regards very highly in his squad and now once again you have made the assumption that he prefers DOC ahead of him.
Honestly do you have any proof or do you just enjoy discrediting BOD on hear'say and unfounded rumours0 -
see, there is one slight problem with that combination is that you need POC and ... of the above, simply because while you can have either DOC or POC as a leader within the pack, neither DOC or MOD can call a solid lineout on a regular basis. Its where you need players like Cullen coming into the team.thehighground wrote: »Since you seem to think that POC was playing all season, it would seem you didn't see too much of DOC and MOD to evaluate.
Definitely agree with you on this (and not directed at anyone in particular, but the drive in the last while under EOS from fans was to get some of the young players caps and started into positions - unfortunately, reading some stuff this has gone in some cases too far, with people not realising the healthy balance that needs to be there for a successful team.My interpretation of what you wrote is that youth must come before anything else. Anyone over 28 should be sent to the knackers yard if there is any 20 year old that looks capable of being any use to take their place.
Some Ulster lads clutching at past straws to justify the fact that only a small number of players (and some great up and comings, like Ferris and Pollock) are getting picked for the Irish squad. ROG suited the developing play that Ireland went for more than Humphs, even if he was better in certain areas.Well that is the message you get from any of the Ulster rugby message boards. We all seem to know what GOD's opinion on pretty much everything. Perhaps you didn't notice, but there was huge ROG v. Humphs debate a couple of years ago.Why would he want Cullen in the national squad. Just because they both play for Leinster? BOD & DOC won an U19 world Cup together. Maybe BOD thinks that POC & DOC are better locks than Leo.
Argument could be even made that if BOD is as pushy as everyones saying, he wouldnt want leo there as a potential usurper 0 -
RickyHatton wrote: »So if a player's team wins regularly then they should automatically gain their place ahead of better players playing in a team that isn't doing as well that is completely absurd. You measure how good a player is by how well they play not how well their team plays.
Not much point having players with individual brilliance on a team if their not prepared to play with and as a team0 -
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Abercrombie Dud wrote: »i didnt get angry i jst dont think leinster lads look outside the box because i go to a leinster school and all they talk about is how great they are and why they are so going to win the HC nxt yr and why each leinster player is better than each munster player.
yea i did make that comment because munster are the best rugby supporters in the world and you just have to take lansdowne road 2006 for an example.
and no one can argue with that.
As much as I want to im not even going to reply cause anything I say is just gona result in a ban lol
I think your name suggests your agenda
RuggieBear will not be happy with the way this ones gone 0 -
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RickyHatton wrote: »Sexton is only 22 and has been excellent. He has progressed so much in the past 2 years and has shown himself to being on par with ROG on many aspects of his game but also better than ROG in his ability to tackle and make breaks. I have no doubt that by 2011 he will be ahead of ROG. It's not easy for someone to be a regular starter at no.10 at 22 but Sexton has not only stepped up he has IMO cemented his place in the Leinster squad.
Agree with you that Sexton is a great prospect, but he has some catching up to do with ROG. At the age of 22, ROG was playing in a H. Cup Final (as well as playing the 8 games to get there). Contempomi is still doing all the kicking and Sexton has been left out of H Cup games. ROG also had 7 caps for Ireland at that stage.Fitzgerald despite being 5 years younger than Dowling is streets ahead of him. Not only that but he is one of the most exciting developing talents in Northern Hemisphere rugby. And to say Dowling is smarter player is a joke, Fitzgerald manages to find and exploit gaps that seem non existant and runs lines that are simply brilliant, he is a genius on the field and that will only improve as he gets more experienced.
Dowling is a rugby league convert - he only started playing RU when he went to college in Limerick. By the way, he is from Leinster. And the only Leinster born player to have a Heineken Cup medal, which he won 2 years ago. Hopefully, he might have a 2nd shortly. 0 -
thehighground wrote: »
Dowling is a rugby league convert - he only started playing RU when he went to college in Limerick. By the way, he is from Leinster. And the only Leinster born player to have a Heineken Cup medal, which he won 2 years ago. Hopefully, he might have a 2nd shortly.
Traitorthehighground wrote: »
And the only Leinster born player to have a Heineken Cup medal, which he won 2 years ago.
I believe a certain Trevor Brennan has a few H-cup medals lying about.0 -
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thehighground wrote: »Actually you are right ... but he was a Leinster reject
I doubt T Brennan gives a **** though:)0 -
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RickyHatton wrote: »So if a player's team wins regularly then they should automatically gain their place ahead of better players playing in a team that isn't doing as well that is completely absurd. You measure how good a player is by how well they play not how well their team plays.
Well, yes I suppose (which I said at H Cup level which would be close enough to International standard). They say winning (and losing) can become a habit.Could you post where I said POC was playing all season otherwise I would like an apology from you for making stuff up to discredit me.
You are touchy! What you did say was that Leo & Mal were playing much better than DOC, POC & MOD. Being out injured and not playing is hardly a level playing field on comparing form, now is it (now that you tell me that you know POC was injured for the first 5 months of this year).
What should my apology be for?Jesus that was quite an assumption to make seeing as all I said was that I believed Cheika was wrong in not starting him
So who should be dropped to the bench to accommodate Fitzgerald?And you believe it. I did notice the debate but I also noticed that near the end of it many of the pundits and the vast majority of fans I spoke to settled on ROG and he seemed a dead cert to be picked.
Actually, I think David Humphreys was treated badly by EOS - he could have been used better - i.e., a lot more substituting at around 60 mins. We could have done with DH at the RWC when ROG was completely off form.I think BOD is the victim in most of this. A lot of people questioning his ability as a captain when the ENTIRE team was misfiring.
Well, instead of throwing a wobbler at Stringer, he might have been better off doing a Mafi on Peel - and lead by example.Maybe, Possibly, Perhaps I was merely responding to your ASSUMPTIONS [cause that is all they are] with another assumption you assume he had a say in the team, I assumed that if that was the case then why didn't he want a player he has already stated he regards very highly in his squad and now once again you have made the assumption that he prefers DOC ahead of him.
Honestly do you have any proof or do you just enjoy discrediting BOD on hear'say and unfounded rumours
Sorry, I use my own eyes. Actions speak louder than words. BOD is a great player, but he is not a great captain.0 -
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thehighground wrote: »A bit of a common theme here about where Leinster born rugby players should ply their trade if they want to win a H Cup medal
btw, I thought that Geordan was angling for a move to Munster last year.
A choice between Leicester or Munster?,the man did the right thing staying put.
IMO one of the top 3 teams in europe(didnt show it this year)
no my top 3 doesnt have munster:),my top 4 does:)0 -
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A choice between Leicester or Munster?,the man did the right thing staying put.
IMO one of the top 3 teams in europe(didnt show it this year)
no my top 3 doesnt have munster:),my top 4 does:)
Duggie was probably in the pipeline for Munster - I only made the point about Geordan (who I really like) would have preferred a move to Munster rather than Leinster 0 -
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Anyway,what has mafi got to do with Declan Kidneys first team or his choosing of the captain?
I think I see the route you are taking here.....
I merely made the point that BOD was far more interested in having a go at one of his team mates rather than trying to defend the Irish try line. I wouldn't think that was great time management or good prioritising
As to who will be Captain ... BOD will remain captain. Leinster fans wouldn't be able to cope with life otherwise. Hopefully Declan will straighten him out as to how he should behave as a captain. 0
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