Advice on B.Corp Law

english4490

sid4lev wrote: »

Are you a law student? Fair play to you! You must be special!
Could you be so kind as to place some merit behind your comments? Also, do some research before posting such trash: Law Society entrance exams can be sat with ANY degree, law or non-law.
Having studied Corp law and currently doing the LLB (which gives you arguably the best legal qualification in ireland if you wish to pursue the corporate side of law and retain the option of going to the bar or qualifying in the US), and having obtained a traineeship with a Big 5 firm, and having extensively spoken to the main HR person and several partners in that firm, i can say that corporate law is the most respected degree if you want to pursue a career in...you guessed it..corporate law.
Furthermore, a HR person at another big 5 firm stated at a NUIG presentation: "the closest Trinity comes to corporate law is SOGA 93/80"...Nuf said
The majority of people who do BCL need to go on and do a masters in a corporate subject in order to obtain a place with the Big 5. The bottom line is that most law firms dont care what law school you went to or what course you did...its how you spent your time there and the results you got that will count.

Right as was said here, anyone can sit law society exams if they have a degree law related or not... so where is it you study law that is so superior? If you are sayin TCD is best for aw, i know a few students did law there and while thought it worthwhile said it was in no way better to a law degree offered elsewhere, And has Ucd not produced every attorney general in the state bar one?? not 100% on that but pretty sure...!

leninbenjamin

yekrab wrote: »

firstly im a law student

and i'm the f*cking Queen of England.

you'll make a great liarlawyer some day...

yekrab

you're ignorance turns my stomach (kidding), and equally all of those who agreed with the conjecturally based statement surmised out of despair no doubt (kidding). firstly i wasnt really talking about the lower branch of the law profession which you all wrongly assumed. i was mostly speaking about the the kings inn entrance exam which allows the successful student to progree to train as a trainee advocat, which u need a law degree that is recognised as such BY THE KINGS INN to do so, So no run of the mill degree will do im afraid, unless you count a normal degree equal when it allows you to do the kings inn diploma which takes 2 years and then u end up at the same place as you would with a proper degree. secondly if u want BACKED UP information go to the kings inn website, then prospective students, then approved law degrees, you will see that the corporate law degree is nowhere to be seen, plz correct me if im wrong (im not, dont waste your time).
thirdly, a corporate law degree is on those grounds, subordinate in importance, the best lawyers in all fields have to have done in the majority of instances the llb, or bcl.

the bottom line
its true that there are solicitors who have a corporate law degree, but usually those people have other degrees to compensate it, such as a llm or stuff like that, corporate law is a mandatory subject for all LLB or BCL students, who cares what some guy said at NUIG (the college in which the corporate law degree is given no doubt) completely biased, all the supreme court judges have a BCL or LLB not a corporate law degree, im sorry it might seems im trying to provoke you, if u did corporate law, fair play, im not sayin its terrible, ok, but it limited when it comes to the kings inn with other orthadox law degrees in this respect.

yekrab

i should have added that simply having a corporate law degree, means u are essentially limited to having a corporate law knowledge, what about other aspects of the law? u could say that 'oh a llb i could do afterwards and then get my big chance at one of the top 5 law firms yea' (oh i believe u after u spoke extensively, sure ya will/did) i was replyin to a question as to what law degree should u do, ok, so u have two choices 1) do the corporate law degree, then have no possibility to go on to the kings inn, (dont even mention america u imbecile (kiddin) then go do the llb, or 2) do the llb, pr bcl and have such a possibility, is that really so hard for you to understand or do i have to expound it to a child like person so u would understand and not be blinded by yr own short cumings? maybe if the majority of the corporate law students got the points for the bcl or llb they too would c my point, u know im only kiddin right?

sid4lev

yekrab wrote: »

i should have added that simply having a corporate law degree, means u are essentially limited to having a corporate law knowledge, what about other aspects of the law? u could say that 'oh a llb i could do afterwards and then get my big chance at one of the top 5 law firms yea' (oh i believe u after u spoke extensively, sure ya will/did) i was replyin to a question as to what law degree should u do, ok, so u have two choices 1) do the corporate law degree, then have no possibility to go on to the kings inn, (dont even mention america u imbecile (kiddin) then go do the llb, or 2) do the llb, pr bcl and have such a possibility, is that really so hard for you to understand or do i have to expound it to a child like person so u would understand and not be blinded by yr own short cumings? maybe if the majority of the corporate law students got the points for the bcl or llb they too would c my point, u know im only kiddin right?

Kidding or not, you sound like an arrogant prat! First, Sort out your spelling and your grammar, Mr "Trinity is no.1"! Second, do some actual research you moron! As far as i can remember 4 of our supreme court judges didnt even do law as their primary degree! Third, you DID refer to law society entrance exams in your original post (dont bother editing it now!)!
Did it ever occur to you that if one goes to do corporate law, the likelihood is that they do NOT want to go to kings inns-isnt that obvious? If you do corporate law, you're obviously interested in practicing in the business side of the law, and doing this via the barrister route will take you between 15-20 years on top of college! Nobody will give you decent corporate work as a barrister until the latter half of your career and that is IF you're good. Need that have been explained to you, you twat?! And no, you dont need the llb after the b.corp to get into the top 5. Im not going to bother repeating myself to you, nor am I going to take any more time to argue further on this matter-i feel its hopeless-you're an egocentric half-wit. Case closed.

leninbenjamin

yekrab wrote: »

i should have added that simply having a corporate law degree, means u are essentially limited to having a corporate law knowledge, what about other aspects of the law? u could say that 'oh a llb i could do afterwards and then get my big chance at one of the top 5 law firms yea' (oh i believe u after u spoke extensively, sure ya will/did) i was replyin to a question as to what law degree should u do, ok, so u have two choices 1) do the corporate law degree, then have no possibility to go on to the kings inn, (dont even mention america u imbecile (kiddin) then go do the llb, or 2) do the llb, pr bcl and have such a possibility, is that really so hard for you to understand or do i have to expound it to a child like person so u would understand and not be blinded by yr own short cumings? maybe if the majority of the corporate law students got the points for the bcl or llb they too would c my point, u know im only kiddin right?

how old are you? 7? 8?

stainluss

you know how you hear people talking about going out on loads of nights out while in college... are those the people who picked the 'doss' courses?? would you be able to do that on this course or is this the type of course you have to 'live and breathe'(work non stop) to graduate and pass?? thanks

leninbenjamin

stainluss wrote: »

you know how you hear people talking about going out on loads of nights out while in college... are those the people who picked the 'doss' courses?? would you be able to do that on this course or is this the type of course you have to 'live and breathe'(work non stop) to graduate and pass?? thanks

to pass any course in NUIG doesn't really require a huge amount of effort. the main thing is to just show up for lectures, which getting pissed everyday of the week doesn't help. of everyone i know who struggled in college, i'd say 90% were simply those who didn't show up.

you can get away with the partying and **** in 1st year, but imo from then on no matter what you're degree you'll wanna keep it to the weekends if your serious about being well placed in the class. that's not to say you can't have an odd night here or there, but i wouldn't make it a weekly thing.

having said that some degrees require a lot more time put into them than others. things like English and Law require a phenomenal amount of reading. Engineering has a huge amount of coursework and so on...

Ardscoil Ris

yekrab wrote: »

i should have added that simply having a corporate law degree, means u are essentially limited to having a corporate law knowledge, what about other aspects of the law? u could say that 'oh a llb i could do afterwards and then get my big chance at one of the top 5 law firms yea' (oh i believe u after u spoke extensively, sure ya will/did) i was replyin to a question as to what law degree should u do, ok, so u have two choices 1) do the corporate law degree, then have no possibility to go on to the kings inn, (dont even mention america u imbecile (kiddin) then go do the llb, or 2) do the llb, pr bcl and have such a possibility, is that really so hard for you to understand or do i have to expound it to a child like person so u would understand and not be blinded by yr own short cumings? maybe if the majority of the corporate law students got the points for the bcl or llb they too would c my point, u know im only kiddin right?

Somebody has said my Corp Law course sucks.

*Hangs himself*

yekrab

the truth on corporate law

1- its not a bad degree, but
2-doesnt allow its graduates to do the kings inn entrance exam, thus precludin them to be a barrister
3-that is the main criticism, as how many cao propective students know that? a BCL or LLB allows u to.
4-some mentally challenged person has posited that 'oh u can do the law society exams' ...still have to pass the entrance exams for that though, which comprise of land law, european law, criminal etc not just corporate law im afraid.
5-the bottom line,
a BCL or LLB will give u a background to be a barrister or solicitor, to pass the entrance exams, whereas a corporate law degree gives u the opportunity to go on and do an LLB.
6-a message to the primary imbecile who did corporate law, and llb, hey dont be gettin mad at me cos u failed in life to get the llb or bcl u no? kiddin of course! hey i wish u the best of luck workin in one of the top five law huts in ireland im sure youll make a great legal secretary or para legal. kiddin of course!

stainluss

yekrab wrote: »

the truth on corporate law

1- its not a bad degree, but
2-doesnt allow its graduates to do the kings inn entrance exam, thus precludin them to be a barrister
3-that is the main criticism, as how many cao propective students know that? a BCL or LLB allows u to.
4-some mentally challenged person has posited that 'oh u can do the law society exams' ...still have to pass the entrance exams for that though, which comprise of land law, european law, criminal etc not just corporate law im afraid.
5-the bottom line,
a BCL or LLB will give u a background to be a barrister or solicitor, to pass the entrance exams, whereas a corporate law degree gives u the opportunity to go on and do an LLB.
6-a message to the primary imbecile who did corporate law, and llb, hey dont be gettin mad at me cos u failed in life to get the llb or bcl u no? kiddin of course! hey i wish u the best of luck workin in one of the top five law huts in ireland im sure youll make a great legal secretary or para legal. kiddin of course!

thanks for the info... but i am confused about one thing.. if i wait on and do the llb after my corp. law degree, then can i go kings inn??

Ardscoil Ris

yekrab wrote: »

the truth on corporate law

1- its not a bad degree, but
2-doesnt allow its graduates to do the kings inn entrance exam, thus precludin them to be a barrister
3-that is the main criticism, as how many cao propective students know that? a BCL or LLB allows u to.
4-some mentally challenged person has posited that 'oh u can do the law society exams' ...still have to pass the entrance exams for that though, which comprise of land law, european law, criminal etc not just corporate law im afraid.
5-the bottom line,
a BCL or LLB will give u a background to be a barrister or solicitor, to pass the entrance exams, whereas a corporate law degree gives u the opportunity to go on and do an LLB.
6-a message to the primary imbecile who did corporate law, and llb, hey dont be gettin mad at me cos u failed in life to get the llb or bcl u no? kiddin of course! hey i wish u the best of luck workin in one of the top five law huts in ireland im sure youll make a great legal secretary or para legal. kiddin of course!

My god your a knob.

Where you raped by a Corporate Lawyer as a child or something?

stainluss

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

I'm not sure you have the idea of the LLB right.

The LLB is a taught post-grad degree (not a Masters). It has a fairly good list of subjects you can study, including Land and Equity.

My biggest complaint is that it is a poorly organised and poorly taught course. There are better postgrads to do for a year of your life.

what other postgrad courses (in Ireland) would be suitable to do after the B.Corp Law??Would a degree from NUIG in Corp. Law do any good for me in England or the US??I would love to live in New York some day but would this be worthless in a different country?thanks:D

yekrab

hey, if you re doing the corporate law degree, then go on and do the LLB postgraduate. after that u can do what u want. kings inn or law society. in regards to america, i know people who went over to practice in america with an llb, or bcl no problem, but its a different jurisdiction, so u would have to pass some exams over there, but the main hurdle is gettin the degree in ireland. basically if u have an llb or bcl, u could potentially practice is any of the common law countries, such as australia, canada, new zealand, england, wales, america etc, a corporate law degree wouldnt prepare u for the exams over there though on these grounds. u definitely need to go on and do the llb.

leninbenjamin

yekrab wrote: »

basically if u have an llb or bcl, u could potentially practice is any of the common law countries, such as australia, canada, new zealand, england, wales, america etc, a corporate law degree wouldnt prepare u for the exams over there though on these grounds. u definitely need to go on and do the llb.

and the llb, even though it's based on a completely different legal system to those other 'common law' countries, would?

yekrab

this is a quote from leninbenjamin- and the llb, even though it's based on a completely different legal system to those other 'common law' countries, would?(in responce to my answer to stainluss)

lenin i dont know yr circumstances, i only hope u re not doing law now, just hopin that u are thinkin about doing it. completely different legal systems?? what are u takin about ? the first thing they tell u in the LLB or BCL is that the irish legal system is called a common law system, which means that it is of anglo-norman origin. the world is in a nutshell divided into two types of legal systems, the common law system and the civil law system, (not from anglo-norman origin but rather roman law and the napoleonic codes of the 19th century) the latter type just mentioned is employed in countries such as france, germany, spain etc and they would use an inquisitorial as opposed to adversarial system employed in common law counties.
the common law is thus a type of system, which is 'common' to countries such as america, ireland, wales, england, new zealand, australia, canada, basically any countries which was a current/former member of the british commonwealth or a dominion of england. like i said im a law student, and i go through the legal position in england mostly, but the ultimate bedrock of what im tryin to say is that its not a great problem to practice in any of these countries, i know this like the back of my hand. quite easy to look up as well if u dont believe me so dont be arguinin on this and look it up if u dont agree.
i no of people u went over to practice in america after finishin they did an irish law degree, here's a link if u dont believe me

http://www2.ul.ie/web/WWW/Faculties/Arts,%20Humanities%20&%20Social%20Sciences/School%20of%20Law/Programmes/Graduate%20Profiles?did=125770738

a notable point says the following.


Linda Mc Mahon
Linda McMahon, who is originally from Ennis Co Clare, graduated with a Law and European Studies degree in 1994. Following study at the King's Inns she qualified as a barrister in 1996. She was subsequently admitted to the New York Bar and the United States Tax Court Bar in 1999, the Eastern and Southern District of NY Federal Court Bar in 2000 United States Supreme Court in 2003 and the Illinois Bar in 2005. She is currently employed by General Electric Commercial Finance in Chicago as legal counsel for the Midwest and Southeast regions of the US.




so there u go lenin quite a lot of proof, irrefutable u might say.

the bottom line.


the legal system know as common law, are extemely similar, like that spanish language is to portugese, or czech is to slovak. and if u did the LLB or BCL u could practise, in any of the common law countries, it is noteworthy that u could practise also as a european law lawyer as well, thus openin up ones legal knowledge to the 27 member states of the european union.

sid4lev

yekrab wrote: »

this is a quote from leninbenjamin- and the llb, even though it's based on a completely different legal system to those other 'common law' countries, would?(in responce to my answer to stainluss)

lenin i dont know yr circumstances, i only hope u re not doing law now, just hopin that u are thinkin about doing it. completely different legal systems?? what are u takin about ? the first thing they tell u in the LLB or BCL is that the irish legal system is called a common law system, which means that it is of anglo-norman origin. the world is in a nutshell divided into two types of legal systems, the common law system and the civil law system, (not from anglo-norman origin but rather roman law and the napoleonic codes of the 19th century) the latter type just mentioned is employed in countries such as france, germany, spain etc and they would use an inquisitorial as opposed to adversarial system employed in common law counties.
the common law is thus a type of system, which is 'common' to countries such as america, ireland, wales, england, new zealand, australia, canada, basically any countries which was a current/former member of the british commonwealth or a dominion of england. like i said im a law student, and i go through the legal position in england mostly, but the ultimate bedrock of what im tryin to say is that its not a great problem to practice in any of these countries, i know this like the back of my hand. quite easy to look up as well if u dont believe me so dont be arguinin on this and look it up if u dont agree.
i no of people u went over to practice in america after finishin they did an irish law degree, here's a link if u dont believe me

http://www2.ul.ie/web/WWW/Faculties/Arts,%20Humanities%20&%20Social%20Sciences/School%20of%20Law/Programmes/Graduate%20Profiles?did=125770738

a notable point says the following.


Linda Mc Mahon
Linda McMahon, who is originally from Ennis Co Clare, graduated with a Law and European Studies degree in 1994. Following study at the King's Inns she qualified as a barrister in 1996. She was subsequently admitted to the New York Bar and the United States Tax Court Bar in 1999, the Eastern and Southern District of NY Federal Court Bar in 2000 United States Supreme Court in 2003 and the Illinois Bar in 2005. She is currently employed by General Electric Commercial Finance in Chicago as legal counsel for the Midwest and Southeast regions of the US.




so there u go lenin quite a lot of proof, irrefutable u might say.

the bottom line.


the legal system know as common law, are extemely similar, like that spanish language is to portugese, or czech is to slovak. and if u did the LLB or BCL u could practise, in any of the common law countries, it is noteworthy that u could practise also as a european law lawyer as well, thus openin up ones legal knowledge to the 27 member states of the european union.

I was going to do my best to insult you etc. etc. but I really couldn't be bothered. I'll just be honest instead.
I was in Dublin last night, as two current trainees from the firm with which I've signed took me out for dinner and drinks and showed me around the office, introduced me to several partners etc. etc. Everybody was so, so nice. One of the trainees did corp. law and llb in galway and the other did bcl in galway (they got galway people to take me out as obviously im from galway!) The trainee that did BCL emphatically stated that it would have made a lot more sense to have done b.corp/llb as he's in a major corp law firm and criminal, land, evidence, jurisprudence, etc are of VERY VERY limited or no use whatsoever as opposed to accounting, economics, company law, IT law, IP law, Insurance law, Banking Law, International Business law (the list goes on and on). Thats all there is to that.
On the train home this afternoon, I bumped into an old friend of mine (school, college) and we conversed for the 3 hour journey home. He's currently in Kings Inns and did BCL in galway. He's really enjoying himself and is really looking forward to qualifying. The one thing that he was giving out about was the general air of arrogance and pretentiousness of the place. On his first day at Kings there was a speech made to all the new students, in which it was specifically emphasized that as future barristers, they will be above all else in society. Fair enough-everyone is entitled to an opinion.
Judging by your comments on this thread, I really think that your personality will be very much suited to life at the bar. And im not mocking you by saying that.
However, do us all a favor and understand that people choose different degrees because more often than not, they wish to go down different paths. BCL is a great general law degree for both solicitors and especially barristers. Corporate law is a marginally better degree if you want to practice as a corporate solicitor-but in saying that it ultimately doesnt really matter which type of law degree you do. That is what I think. And I think that anybody "in the know" (ie: not a student) will tell you same.

yekrab

here here

i appreciate what yr sayin and i agree with a lot of it.

english4490

sid4lev wrote: »

I was going to do my best to insult you etc. etc. but I really couldn't be bothered. I'll just be honest instead.
I was in Dublin last night, as two current trainees from the firm with which I've signed took me out for dinner and drinks and showed me around the office, introduced me to several partners etc. etc. Everybody was so, so nice. One of the trainees did corp. law and llb in galway and the other did bcl in galway (they got galway people to take me out as obviously im from galway!) The trainee that did BCL emphatically stated that it would have made a lot more sense to have done b.corp/llb as he's in a major corp law firm and criminal, land, evidence, jurisprudence, etc are of VERY VERY limited or no use whatsoever as opposed to accounting, economics, company law, IT law, IP law, Insurance law, Banking Law, International Business law (the list goes on and on). Thats all there is to that.
On the train home this afternoon, I bumped into an old friend of mine (school, college) and we conversed for the 3 hour journey home. He's currently in Kings Inns and did BCL in galway. He's really enjoying himself and is really looking forward to qualifying. The one thing that he was giving out about was the general air of arrogance and pretentiousness of the place. On his first day at Kings there was a speech made to all the new students, in which it was specifically emphasized that as future barristers, they will be above all else in society. Fair enough-everyone is entitled to an opinion.
Judging by your comments on this thread, I really think that your personality will be very much suited to life at the bar. And im not mocking you by saying that.
However, do us all a favor and understand that people choose different degrees because more often than not, they wish to go down different paths. BCL is a great general law degree for both solicitors and especially barristers. Corporate law is a marginally better degree if you want to practice as a corporate solicitor-but in saying that it ultimately doesnt really matter which type of law degree you do. That is what I think. And I think that anybody "in the know" (ie: not a student) will tell you same.

well done, absolutely perfect! so you thought corporate law was the way too go??? doing it next sept!

sid4lev

I can only speak for myself and all I can say is that it was my first choice and as you can imagine, I have no regrets whatsoever. Best of luck

stainluss

english4490 wrote: »

well done, absolutely perfect! so you thought corporate law was the way too go??? doing it next sept!

it must be!! its 50 points less to get into 2 so happy days:):D:):D

english4490

stainluss wrote: »

it must be!! its 50 points less to get into 2 so happy days:):D:):D

well that suits me just perfect!!! happy out!!! galway here i come!!

yekrab

sid4lev's point was that corporate law is good if u wanna do corporate law, english and stainluss is that what u wanna do? bcos it is of my humble and respectful opinion that if that is not so then u would be better off doin the bcl/llb. so
ask yrself if thats what u want to do. bcos if its not ull end up spendin 3 years doing the corporate law degree, and endin up after that doin the llb postgraduate so u can have a shot at kings inn, or blackhall.

english4490

yekrab wrote: »

sid4lev's point was that corporate law is good if u wanna do corporate law, english and stainluss is that what u wanna do? bcos it is of my humble and respectful opinion that if that is not so then u would be better off doin the bcl/llb. so
ask yrself if thats what u want to do. bcos if its not ull end up spendin 3 years doing the corporate law degree, and endin up after that doin the llb postgraduate so u can have a shot at kings inn, or blackhall.

thats what i wanna do!

sid4lev

yekrab wrote: »

sid4lev's point was that corporate law is good if u wanna do corporate law, english and stainluss is that what u wanna do? bcos it is of my humble and respectful opinion that if that is not so then u would be better off doin the bcl/llb. so
ask yrself if thats what u want to do. bcos if its not ull end up spendin 3 years doing the corporate law degree, and endin up after that doin the llb postgraduate so u can have a shot at kings inn, or blackhall.

Yekrab, im glad to see you're starting to make some sense.:) You're 100% correct in saying that if you dont wish to practice corporate law, you're much better off doing the BCL as it enables you to opt between blackhall or kings inn within just 3 years and at little cost (unless fees are introduced-which i hope wont happen), as opposed to b.corp law/llb which will you give the same option in 4 years and at an extra cost of 6k(for the 1 year llb).
However, I still have to correct you on one thing and that is that you DONT need the llb or bcl to do blackhall entrance exams(although you DO for kings). Im doing the LLB at the moment and I will be sitting my first 4 blackhall exams in the middle of semester 2 in college (granted I have to do extra study, go ahead of lectures etc.-but im well used to it at this stage!). You dont even need a law degree to do blackhall exams (which i think is a joke, which has lead to a severe solicitor overpopulation....and arent they paying the price for it now, with so many of them unemployed!)...just ANY 3rd level degree.
Can I also point out, for the benefit of those planning to do corp law, that another reason why in my opinion its a good degree in its own right(ie- yekreb im not comparing to llb/bcl), is that if you decide you dont want to pursue a legal career, it still leaves you with a lot of options, as in your final year you can choose loads of different business related modules such as macro/micro economics, international marketing, managerial/financial accounting etc (alternatively, you can choose all law modules-like I did) Instead of applying to law firms, some of my friends have successfully applied for accountant/tax/audit positions in firm like PwC,KPMG,Delloite. Apparently they love corp law students as they bring something different to the table (as opposed to a 100% commerce student-which is the usual type of graduate they take on).

stainluss

sid4lev wrote: »

Yekrab, im glad to see you're starting to make some sense.:) You're 100% correct in saying that if you dont wish to practice corporate law, you're much better off doing the BCL as it enables you to opt between blackhall or kings inn within just 3 years and at little cost (unless fees are introduced-which i hope wont happen), as opposed to b.corp law/llb which will you give the same option in 4 years and at an extra cost of 6k(for the 1 year llb).
However, I still have to correct you on one thing and that is that you DONT need the llb or bcl to do blackhall entrance exams(although you DO for kings). Im doing the LLB at the moment and I will be sitting my first 4 blackhall exams in the middle of semester 2 in college (granted I have to do extra study, go ahead of lectures etc.-but im well used to it at this stage!). You dont even need a law degree to do blackhall exams (which i think is a joke, which has lead to a severe solicitor overpopulation....and arent they paying the price for it now, with so many of them unemployed!)...just ANY 3rd level degree.
Can I also point out, for the benefit of those planning to do corp law, that another reason why in my opinion its a good degree in its own right(ie- yekreb im not comparing to llb/bcl), is that if you decide you dont want to pursue a legal career, it still leaves you with a lot of options, as in your final year you can choose loads of different business related modules such as macro/micro economics, international marketing, managerial/financial accounting etc (alternatively, you can choose all law modules-like I did) Instead of applying to law firms, some of my friends have successfully applied for accountant/tax/audit positions in firm like PwC,KPMG,Delloite. Apparently they love corp law students as they bring something different to the table (as opposed to a 100% commerce student-which is the usual type of graduate they take on).

http://qualifax.ie/?Mainsec=courses&Subsec=course_details&ID=18995&CSH_ID=18&AdvancedKeyword= - Here it says the llb lasts 3years full time or 4 years part time? Is it not one year??

sid4lev

If you dont do law at an undergrad level its 3 years full time or 4 part time-6k per year.

If you do corp law (or arts with legal science for that matter), it will only take you one year full time as you're exempted from 1st and 2nd year. ie-you go straight into final year llb after you finish corp law. It costs 6k for that one year.

yekrab

yea crazy that there is no degree requirement for blackhall. but i was lookin at the past exam papers for kings inn and it doesnt look like knowin calculus would be enough, i assume that the blachall exams would be similarily hard. yea but still time to shut the floodgates, every year there is another IT makin a new law degree course.

sid4lev

Yeh, the silibi for both bhall and kings are slightly broader than what we'd cover in college. Just five exams for Kings though and there are slightly different subjects (which I think are rotated from sitting to sitting). There are 8 exams for blackhall but there is slightly more stress for Kings as you have to do all 5 in one sitting and they are on within the same week. Just out of interest are you in final year? If so are you going to Kings Inns in sept?
They cant just close the floodgates apparantly as that would "unduely impose barriers to entry" and breach competition authority rules...or something along those lines. There was a big SC case about it back in the late 90's I think, with Mary Macaleese as the applicants counsel!

stainluss

sid4lev wrote: »

Yeh, the silibi for both bhall and kings are slightly broader than what we'd cover in college. Just five exams for Kings though and there are slightly different subjects (which I think are rotated from sitting to sitting). There are 8 exams for blackhall but there is slightly more stress for Kings as you have to do all 5 in one sitting and they are on within the same week. Just out of interest are you in final year? If so are you going to Kings Inns in sept?
They cant just close the floodgates apparantly as that would "unduely impose barriers to entry" and breach competition authority rules...or something along those lines. There was a big SC case about it back in the late 90's I think, with Mary Macaleese as the applicants counsel!

if you want to be a lawyer in the uk or us would you have to go to the kings inn or blackhall or would you just do the law degree in ireland and then go to law school in another country?I heard its very pricey in the us..i know you have to pass a diferent exam there for each state

sid4lev

UK:
If you're qualified as either solicitor or barrister here, all you need to do is conversion exams for the relevant profession in order to practice there.
If you are not yet qualified in Ireland, and are out of college, and want to pursue a career in the UK, their route to qualification is much the same as ours...you must train with the relevant body, depending on which profession you wish to pursue. However, you will NEED BCL or LLB (no other Irish degree will be sufficeint) in order to be admitted to train in those bodies in the UK. You'll also need to study certain subjects during your Irish BCL/LLB such as english land law, in order to avoid having to do extra exams in those subject before being admitted to the relevant UK bodies.
US:
All you need to do is have a BCL or LLB from Ireland (again, im pretty sure nothing else will suffice) and then sit the state exams, depending on which state it is you wish to practice in. Thats it..once you pass that exam you will be admitted to practice in that state (no apprenticeship, no training body--simple). I think its even easier if you're already qualified as a solicitor/barrister in either UK/Ireland in that I dont think you'll have to do full state exams..just jurisdictional conversion exams. (Sorry if this sounds complicated...if you have questions I can try and clarify) Im sure you know that there is no solicitor/barrister division in the US...its all the same...they only have one profession.
Costs: Are all the same really. It costs a lot to go to law school in US because you can only do so at a postgraduate level. But thats why they get paid so much more over there..in order to pay off the debt. You wont accrue the same debts here (blackhall costs 13k-The top ten firms pay for this; kings inn costs 15k). The cost of qualifying in the UK are roughly the same as here...except its even easier to qualify over there as a solicitor as there in NO entrace exams to the professional solicitors training body-all you need is a law degree! (which is the way it should be here!)

There is a lot more to it (side-stepping/exception procedures) than ive explained above...but as far as i know thats the nuts and bolts of it. Anyone who knows better (yekreb!) feel free to correct me.

yekrab

slightly on a different issue but perhaps at the heart of yr inquiry...

which is who makes the most mula? old john bull, uncle sam or good ould irish seamus when it comes to lawyers.

(this is only my opinion, i do not accept that everythin i say is correct even though i strive to be correct, anybody, who seeks more accurate advise should consult the proper authorities)


money life, wage, for the irish barrister:

ah, from what ive heard the bar in ireland is becumin incrementally (means increasingly for the muck savages and bogtrotters out there, kiddin kiddin, no abuse) populated. take this for example, 20years ago there was only 500 barristers in all of ireland now there is roughly 2000, quite a huge leap if u think of it! its bcos of numerous reasons, like the availability of a million law degrees (ie corporate law, JOKIN lets not go there ever again) Ah no seriously i was referin to the waterford institute and the like, creatin new law degrees. others reasons more likely would be the increase in placings in the actual kings inn, a few years ago there was only 100 places per year in kings inn now the 'kings inn are proud to introduce a new 2 year module course' more students it means in practical terms and more mula for the benchers. a nice 12k per student, not bad, not bad at all. of course id never imply that lawyers are motivated my money, my god theyre clearly all saints. thus no demand in ireland for barristers, at the moment, or probably not for a very very very long time until some action is taken. u'd have to go back in time around 15-20 years and then practice to 'make some serious bread' as my solicitor used to say. so today u'd most likey spend the first 5-7 years struggling to keep above the bread line (ive heard horrible stories that would make u cringe, like a 30 years old barrister still living with his parents etc etc) and the next ten on a somewhat decent wage.

average wage for the irish solicitor:

with solicitors its a different story, all depends on how good u do in yr degree, and of course the economic situation as well. but its really possible to start off on a really good wage and then add to that in later years, so u could possible start off(when finished training)
at 40-45,k in a mediocre firm, and in the best firm, numero uno, 70k. (probably not at this moment, god damn recession) but like barristers, solicitors are everywhere, even in the most god forsaken holes every third buildin is 'john magu's solicitors & co'. but fortunately usually those who get under a 2nd class honours degree are royaly screwed in the ace.


money for the irish jurist with foreign aspirations:

america:

ive heard that it is quite the lucrative aventure to heard off to yankee land, quite indeed, endless supply of lawyers in america, and an endless amount of lawsuits, personal injury is all the rave at the moment, 'oh i slipped on the snow, im gonna sue' so demand for work is not to shabby (NB just dont tell them that our constitutional law is different than theirs, ...kiddin), one benefit ,dependin on how u look at it is, that the lawyers over there are attorneys who confront with the public and advocate in court, so they do the whole she-bang, no second law guy to share the compensation mula with.

britain.:

in a nutshell, if u want to practise as a barrister, this is the place to go. there is an extremely small amount of barristers per person when compared with ireland, so the amount of work to go around is never the main issue. one nice and handy benefit is that if u practice as a barrsiter in ireland for 3 years u can automatically transfer to practice in england without doing a single exam( bcos of the similarity between the two) even if ure straight out of kings inn, u can do some 'micky mouse exams' in england and practice there. ironically if u want to work as a solicitor in england, then i wouldnt advise it bcos there are just no demand for it.

sid4lev

OMG, I cant believe I actually agree with 99% of your post! Miracles do happen!
I do have to add one tiney winey little detail of minor signifiance! And that is if you're good, you'll make it anywhere (even if at first you dont succeed), and earn serious mulu,as you call it, in the process..but im sure you smart people already knew that. But seriously, Ive heard of UK firms poaching the best from Irish firms etc etc.
In relation to how much the best solicitors earn, some of you guys might find this interesting (http://www.thelawyer.com/cgi-bin/item.cgi?id=116817)...i know it dates to back 2005(peak of boom), so unlikely to be the same today but still..cant be too far off.

yekrab

mulu what the hell is that? mula, its mula.

stainluss

yekrab wrote: »

mulu what the hell is that? mula, its mula.

lol no its moolah:cool:

english4490

its probably in here somewhere, but hey! i know you do accounting and economics in 1st yr, but what commercey subjects can you do in the last 2 yrs??? thanks!

sid4lev

Economics and Accounting in 1st year

2nd and 3rd year subjects:

Business Organisation and Management (compulsory)
Business Finance (share price calculations etc)(compulsory)
Managerial Accounting
Financial Accounting
Marketing principles(compulsory)
International Marketing
Macro Economics
Micro Economics
Business Negotiations(compulsory)
Industrial Relations and HR Management(compulsory)
Management Information Systems (i think thats also an option in first year)

And im sure im missing a few..as i did as many law subjects as i could and only the compulsory business subjects above

english4490

sid4lev wrote: »

Economics and Accounting in 1st year

2nd and 3rd year subjects:

Business Organisation and Management (compulsory)
Business Finance (share price calculations etc)(compulsory)
Managerial Accounting
Financial Accounting
Marketing principles(compulsory)
International Marketing
Macro Economics
Micro Economics
Business Negotiations(compulsory)
Industrial Relations and HR Management(compulsory)
Management Information Systems (i think thats also an option in first year)

And im sure im missing a few..as i did as many law subjects as i could and only the compulsory business subjects above

thanks a million sid4lev!

yekrab

yep, im back, now that my ban is up, i can return to contributin the 'wisdom'.

however i shall start with une question as they say in france,

sidlev, do u do tort law in the corporate law degree?



(if u dont then hang yr head in shame)

sid4lev

Good do have ya back darling
Whats new?
Its a year-long compulsory module in first year.

sid4lev

Oh, btw, why dont you share with the thread the reasons for your temporary disbarment?..
Or PM me...i want to know the gory details!

yekrab

well sidlev my good man,
ah i was barred for apparently contempt, insulting others etc etc ah the usual, got a few pre warning about it but my god, people complaining because they dont agree with my views on the best law books ...its pathetic.thats basically it, and a lot of my own started law threads were removed, really inconsiderate to my fans, hurt them all, more than it did me.

i started a two new threads on the lisbon treaty, 700 views after one day, mostly positive comments would u believe. feel free to engage in the topic.

sid4lev

Bravo!

Link to thread please?? im too lazy to find it myself...
Are you pro or against lisbon? how did you vote last summer?

yekrab

i voted for it, last time and id do it again

yekrab

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055485657 herein is the post sidlev

sid4lev

Likewise.
A reasonable bystander would even say I assaulted a "no" campaigner when he was putting leaflets in the letter box and then got the dog to scare the S**t out of him when he was leaving the cul-de-sac...suffice to say, he didnt return

xxcocochanelxx

Cages wrote: »

I wouldn't recommend Corporate Law. Being mid-way through the course, and having settled on completing it, I do have a lot of knowledge now that the course gave me, that I'm really grateful for. For instance, I don't know how anyone else, without insider learning, can understand the economic crisis. I'd never realised how exciting watching the news everyday and ripping through the financial times everyday to laugh at the stock markets and tut at the latest ponzi scheme scandal could be!!
That I'm grateful for. The knowledge. However, the experience has been soured by two things; just by comparing the fun everyone else is having, in their own courses, i.e. arts and science. I'm big into the college societies, just to keep me sane. Most of the class is totally bored with their course, money-obsessed, very boring themselves, and kinda immature. It's like still being in secondary school. Where are all the intellectuals? Where are all the adults?! I'm no better; I did this course just to get security on the other side of uni. But just look up boards.ie on the section for solicitors. They're all despairing at losing their jobs and saying how they regret doing the whole law thing in the first place. I've trawled through the net on this, looking for a shred of hope for future lawyers. But there's no stability at all from this degree, from the accounts of every blogging solicitor out there.
I am now reduced to searching for something I could do with my degree besides practicing law. But it's far too specialised, legal knowledge that it. There's possibly hope in journalism. Perhaps the business side then? Not unless you're very lucky and a very talented entrepreneur will be succeed in today's world.
It's a myth that a law degree will set you up with a nice steady salary, enough to have a mortgage and a car and even get a family going. This isn't just pessimism; this is from doing the research too late. Medicine is the only degree that really guarantees that. Unless you know exactly what you're doing and want this more than anything, you won't be strong enough to fight against the odds. Repeat; do the research. Google everything legal and law school related, e,g, nationallawjournal.com. Watching legally-blond doesn't count! Well, almost...
There's a reason why law is now seen as the new Arts degree, i.e. no guarantees of a job, you're let float out into sea as soon as you graduate. Be careful.

I feel like crying...

Dante09

xxcocochanelxx wrote: »

I feel like crying...

dont cry! by the time you finish the situation with the jobsmarket may well have changed and if it hasnt corp law is a still a great degree to have as it doesnt confine you to pure law as youre given a broad variety of subjects to chose from. Even still regardless of the economic climate, if you put in the work youll make it as a lawyer, if that is still what you want to do come the end of your degree. Go ahead and do it cuz its a great degree to have (although i think trinity has a new course in law and business:eek:)

leninbenjamin

Dante09 wrote: »

(although i think trinity has a new course in law and business:eek:)

trinity is a pile of ****.

xp90

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