Advice on B.Corp Law

xp90

Hey guys,
Just after passing 1st year, was wondering, does the second year timetable differ much each year?

Dante09

cant remember but i dont think it changes dramatically

ItsTheMan

Hey anyone here from 1stBCorp heading into 2nd.. just wondering have people heard about results in General, were there high / low failure rates in anything, many people heading back to repeat ? Also for anyone in a higher year, just wondering do you know when the new timetables will be back up online..

Dante09

hiya.
im finished both corp law and LLB.
why are you worried about everyone elses results and first year results in general? they dont mean anything at all.
timetables should be out closer to september but afaik they are much the same every year so you can check last years one if you're curious re subjects etc

ItsTheMan

I was simply wondering how the results panned out.. I believe Contract and Accounting were problem-ridden again this year.

Thanks for the Timetable advice Dante

Whilst on the topic of LLB, I presume that you undertook your LLB for the purposes of Blackhalls or Kings Inns..

my question is whether it is possible to undertake your LLB at another NUI such as Dublin or Cork, or Trinity in an attempt to qualify for admission to B.Hall / K.Inns ???

Dante09

nope i did my llb because i like to study law
you can do the llb anywhere but i would recommend doing it in galway as you wont be forced to do subject you've already done

yeh accoutning was always a problem in 1sy year

ItsTheMan

Hi, I thought first year was fairly rotten with Accounting, M.I.S. and the low grades given in Contract.. but is second year really much more difficult.. obviously have to be way more alert due to Semesterisation..

Is subject matter more difficult etc. ? any particular problem subjects ? !

Dante09

yeh it is.
EC/Company/Constitutional are all quite difficult. The former two on a technical level and the latter on an argumentative.
Marketing is marked awfully hard too.
Business Finance is a useful subject but very difficult...like accounting but worse.
Dont worry, as you go along through the years, you learn how to study and focus better.
I went from a low 2.2 in first year to 10/12 1.1s in final year.
Its all a learning process and all of the subject are interesting. Make sure to go to ALL lectures to understand the material first.

xp90

Hey
I only found Contract to be a bitch but hey wasnt that no surprise, apart from that the rest were straight forward, prob because I did accounting for l.c. roll on 2nd year, hopefully the timetable doesnt change too much as last year was sweet :)how did every1 find the contract lectures themselves?

ItsTheMan

The Lectures were grand but then the exam is always a joke so it makes no sense. I don't mind got my Contract at 48, so hopefully that's one of the better results, it mightn't be either !
Delighted I managed to get Acc. and MIS too..
Second year should hopefully be good !

xp90

Ha what a coincidence,well i hope 48 was a good result for both our sakes i hate accounting but it was my highest mark at 76, the rest of the subjects hovered around 60, really got to try harder this year tbh

Dante09

Guys, take my word on this, (ive been through the process successfully), grades are not everything. Focus your energies on building you CVs until final year. Get involved with societies in a major way if you can...or do volunteer work. Focus on grades in final year when it matters.
I cant overstate the importance of having a balanced CV when it comes to applying to law firms.

xp90

With all thats going on Dnate, what direction of career do you suggest?

Dante09

that depends on how much you wish to be a lawyer of either branch of the profession? If you want it badly enough the economy wont stop you getting a traineeship + there are other more fertile options in other common law jurisdictions.
Aside from law, depending on how much you like accounting, you could apply to the accounting firms in the milk rounds for audit/tax positions. They look very favourably on corp law students, i know that for a fact.
With your degree you could also branch off into either economics or marketing but methinks a masters will need to be pursued post corp law in those fields.
If you really like academia/theoretical law, you could get a masters/phd and go on to become a full-time academic.
But seriously, with your degree, you could go on to do a masters in ANY business/accoutning/law/economics related area and succeed so dont worry about your career. I dont really know cuz law is the only thing ive wanted to do.
What year are you in? Dont worry about careers for the moment-just concentrate on your grades, and more importantly building your CV and keep the chin up

ItsTheMan

Hi, does anybody know what date our new Law Timetables will be released ??
Also any news about the course this year ? exciting etc. ?

Any big changes around the campus ? such as new deals for the Kingfisher,renovations , big events or new coffee shops or anything in particular ?

xp90

In short, timetables will be another two weeks, thats if they bother giving them to us before the advisory session. And no to the rest of the qs.

_ZeeK_

Ardscoil Ris wrote: »

However there is a demeand for corporate lawyers.

wrong. the WHOLE law market is saturated. the top corporate companies in Ireland have stopped hiring. An LLM in commercial law has not been enough for many UCD students to even get their foot inside the door and have an interview. the firms are looking at reducing their workforces, they aren't retaining recently graduated solicitors who had trained with them and they certainly aren't interested in taking on trainees. the situation is so disasterous that a number of law students have formed a petition group to campagin against the current Blackhall system (Revolutionise the Law Society).

In short, only do Law if its something you REALLY REALLY want to do. If you're looking for any aul nice responsible career with a handsome paycheck, look elsewhere.

I will refer you to this : http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055434330

and

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2055657827

_ZeeK_

Dante09 wrote: »

Guys, take my word on this, (ive been through the process successfully), grades are not everything. Focus your energies on building you CVs until final year. Get involved with societies in a major way if you can...or do volunteer work. Focus on grades in final year when it matters.
I cant overstate the importance of having a balanced CV when it comes to applying to law firms.

hollow people, them.

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2009/01/11/120-taking-a-year-off/?nucrss=1

Dante09

_ZeeK_ wrote: »

hollow people, them.

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2009/01/11/120-taking-a-year-off/?nucrss=1

Do elaborate.

_ZeeK_

Dante09 wrote: »

Do elaborate.

it would have been apparent if you'd have read through that link but ok...

it really gets my goat when law students feel the need to volunteer to 'profile' themselves. this is contrary to the spirit of volunteering. you are supposed to volunteer to give to others, not to help yourself out. this is not an attack on you personally, you may have found a cause that you are truly committed to and believe in (altho from your previous comments on this thread, this would appear not to be the case), but too often i've heard class mates saying "ugh, i HAVE to go to <such and so> tonight". they're not doing it out of some inherent benevolence, they're doing it for a very contrived reason - to have something extra to put down on their CV.

often, you'll find that the most benevolent people are modest about their contributions and prefer to remain anonymous, or play coy. law students, it seems, like to sing it from the rooftops.

that is hollow.

Dante09

I agree with you completely on that. I havent volunteered myself because I think i'd be doing it for the wrong reasons+im kind of lazy and a wee bit selfish. But I do have a balanced CV and thats what is important and that is simply the point i was trying to bring across. Though plenty of people from my own class have volunteered.
Whether we like it or not that sort of craic is going on and it IS helping students secure traineeships here or abroad. To each their own I suppose.
Are you corp law or civil and what year may I ask?

_ZeeK_

True, a balance is great. If that can be done through activities you are engaged in outside the college, like sports or whatever, then great. But that contrived volunteering really annoys me.

I've graduated from BCL. How's bout yourself?

To the person just about to embark on the B.Corp, I would actually recommend it OVER the BCL. It gives you a far better grounding and you aren't restricting your career opportunities to just law if you decide you don't like it or that you have more of a flair for accounting or whatever. A B.Corp + 1 year LL.B = the BCL + many commerce modules. The LLB is of the same quality as a BCL, taught by the same lecturers, with the same lecture notes and often in the same classes as the BCLs themselves. Its definitely worth the extra year. Also, the BCorp allows the option of legal french or german. The BCL only caters for German. I would love to have kept up the French!

Dante09

Just finished B.Corp+LLB. When did you finish?
Whats next for you then?

_ZeeK_

I plan to lurk in the shadows of my harbour and laugh maniacally at my peers as they try to sail in the storm...

Excuse the mystique. Must. Not. Compromise. Anonymity.

Are you FE-1ing it?

Dante09

Fair-enough.
Well yeh, i did 4 during my LLB so just 4 more to do now. And no, im not one of these people doing the exams with the false perception that passing them may increase my chances of obtaining the elusive TC.

_ZeeK_

ah right. better you than me. I don't fancy being caught in limbo-land... i.e. having a degree, FE1 and working in a shop for 5 years, sending around thousands of application letters to various practices.

Dante09

Fair-enough. Its your choice man. (im going to assume you're male)
btw i meant that as in im fortunate enough to have an apprenticeship. Suffice to say, had I not been as lucky, there is no way in hell id be doing the FE1s so I think you're probably doing the right thing.

_ZeeK_

ah right, congrats... you lucky sod

xp90

Could we be so lucky as to have last years second year timetable??

Dante09

I dont know if you were asking me, but they're not that hard to find
http://www.nuigalway.ie/law/timetables.html

xp90

no what i meant was one of our modules has the same times and rooms as last year, hopefully its the same for the rest!

ItsTheMan

Hi XP90,, by any chance have our timetables been released yet ?? seems like so many other courses have their's now !!

Lets hope it's almost the same as last year except lets hope Management is earlier so there's no need to stay in Galway too late on Thursdays

Thanks

xp90

ItsTheMan wrote: »

Hi XP90,, by any chance have our timetables been released yet ?? seems like so many other courses have their's now !!

Lets hope it's almost the same as last year except lets hope Management is earlier so there's no need to stay in Galway too late on Thursdays

Thanks

Hey!

By the wording of the welcome email i doubt we'll see the timetable until the advisory session, heres hopin its as you wish it to be!!

One of us could try emailing the nice folk at the law dept.

xp90

Any1 got any experience of going on ERASMUS?

Dante09

So how has everyone found there first few weeks??

Amazotheamazing

xp90 wrote: »

Any1 got any experience of going on ERASMUS?

Yeah, I went on Erasmus from Corp Law way back in my youth. Would really, really recommend it. Also allows you get your head right for that big push for a first that you'll undertake in final year.

I wouldn't recommend the LLB though.

Dante09

Why wouldnt you recommend the LLB? Just curious because im after finishing it and I enjoyed it...though it defo wasnt worth 6k

Amazotheamazing

Dante09 wrote: »

Why wouldnt you recommend the LLB? Just curious because im after finishing it and I enjoyed it...though it defo wasnt worth 6k

It's all in the first few pages.

Tbh, maybe I was overly harsh but there's so much you can do with 6,000 euro and a year of your life, is the LLB really the best way to spend it?

Dante09

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

It's all in the first few pages.

Tbh, maybe I was overly harsh but there's so much you can do with 6,000 euro and a year of your life, is the LLB really the best way to spend it?

Well my reasons for doing it were:
1) I was silly enough to fall for some of the ****e coming out of certain lecturers' mouths' ***cough Denny Driscoll cough***
2) At the same time though, even though I want to end up practicing in corporate, I didnt like the idea of leaving undergrad law without having done evidence and criminal law. Tom O'Malley and Conor Hanley are without doubt the best things about the course.
3) I knew Id be doing the FE1s and not having studied equity, land and criminal at undergrad would have made things harder. As it turned out, I successfully sat those three FE1s (+contract) during the second semester.
of the LLB.
4) The year kind of flew by anyway with Milk Rounds in first semester and about 10 exams in total in the second.
5) Now ive got a second 1.1 law degree in my name....that cant be a bad thing....but still not worth 6k imo...considering a good mate is paying 5.5k sterling for a masters in cambridge.

english4490

Hey just wondering about exams.. i know we have ILS examined at christmas, are all the other subjects examined so just before the summer at the end of semester 2? or is there spring exams?

Dante09

Yeh, they'll be examined at the end of semester 2.

english4490

Dante09 wrote: »

Yeh, they'll be examined at the end of semester 2.

thanks for the quick reply! just hoping ILS is a handy enough one to pass!

Dante09

Its a piece of cake.

xp90

what about 2nd year?very nervous

Dante09

xp90 wrote: »

what about 2nd year?very nervous

Do yee still have 7 exams this semester? Its a tough one alright. Take it with a pinch of salt though as you only learn from doing more exams. I did crap in the my first semester exams but picked it way up in the second.

english4490

For any second years, can you remember roughly when the 1st year summer exams were on in april/may, and if there was much time in between each exam?
and can you remember roughly around what date ye finished up?

Thanks!:)