Gardaí in red?

shakin

Regarding indentity of ERU personnel being restricted,so is identity of ARW personnel but just 2 weeks ago there was pic of Rangers body guarding MforD Willie O' Dea in a prominent Irish Sunday paper..the only cover they had were sunglasses.[/QUOTE]


willie o'dea is guarded by arw? are you taking the piss?

eroo

shakin wrote: »

Regarding indentity of ERU personnel being restricted,so is identity of ARW personnel but just 2 weeks ago there was pic of Rangers body guarding MforD Willie O' Dea in a prominent Irish Sunday paper..the only cover they had were sunglasses.

willie o'dea is guarded by arw? are you taking the piss?[/QUOTE]

While on a trip to Kosovo.

shakin

eroo wrote: »

willie o'dea is guarded by arw? are you taking the piss?

While on a trip to Kosovo.[/QUOTE]

ok i thought you meant in ireland, i mean who would bother?

Stay_in_Kampuchea

shakin wrote: »

While on a trip to Kosovo.

ok i thought you meant in ireland, i mean who would bother?[/quote]

Well Reverend Green has it in for Crnl Mustard.You never know.

Eru

The ARW arent dealing with people that have a realistic chance of encountering them or their families in a non operational basis nor are they likely to be followed or targeted off duty.

The firearms training unit can be deployed for certain armed functions. The type seen in Dublin being of planned checkpoints would suit them more than ERU who being only at a level of 50, need to deploy and move around the country but thats it.

They are also the unit that gets all the toys before the ERU and at the time of the picture were already working with the MP7 on ranges etc for testing purposes.

Were not going to get a member of the ERU to confirm when it is them or not so I suppose were going to have to just accept differant opinions on this one but I hope people have seen my point concerning incorrect identification.

shakin

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

The ARW arent dealing with people that have a realistic chance of encountering them or their families in a non operational basis nor are they likely to be followed or targeted off duty.

The firearms training unit can be deployed for certain armed functions. The type seen in Dublin being of planned checkpoints would suit them more than ERU who being only at a level of 50, need to deploy and move around the country but thats it.

They are also the unit that gets all the toys before the ERU and at the time of the picture were already working with the MP7 on ranges etc for testing purposes.

Were not going to get a member of the ERU to confirm when it is them or not so I suppose were going to have to just accept differant opinions on this one but I hope people have seen my point concerning incorrect identification.

they were definitely gardai anyway, after that it dont matter much

eroo

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

The ARW arent dealing with people that have a realistic chance of encountering them or their families in a non operational basis nor are they likely to be followed or targeted off duty.

The firearms training unit can be deployed for certain armed functions. The type seen in Dublin being of planned checkpoints would suit them more than ERU who being only at a level of 50, need to deploy and move around the country but thats it.

They are also the unit that gets all the toys before the ERU and at the time of the picture were already working with the MP7 on ranges etc for testing purposes.

Were not going to get a member of the ERU to confirm when it is them or not so I suppose were going to have to just accept differant opinions on this one but I hope people have seen my point concerning incorrect identification.

Wasn't there a case a couple of years back where the RIRA had a list of names and addresses of SDU/ERU detectives?
Why don't The Garda Press Office say the FTU are being deployed because I really doubt,after reading this thread,that they are the only armed intervention unit in Limerick!?

Eru

eroo wrote: »

Wasn't there a case a couple of years back where the RIRA had a list of names and addresses of SDU/ERU detectives?
Why don't The Garda Press Office say the FTU are being deployed because I really doubt,after reading this thread,that they are the only armed intervention unit in Limerick!?

The press office rarely tell people in advance where the eru or other units will or will not be for obvious reasons.

The eru are active in Limerick and Dublin, I dont doubt that. Im merely trying to point out that armed Garda = ERU is not true neither is mp7 = eru. They dont operate in plain clothes unless its covert and while there are some items available only to the ERu and FTU its not as simple as just saying a certain type of gun or vehicle, etc. Beanbag is unique to the ERU/FTU but that is because its only deployed in certain situations that the ERU are called to handle.

eroo

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

The press office rarely tell people in advance where the eru or other units will or will not be for obvious reasons.

The eru are active in Limerick and Dublin, I dont doubt that. Im merely trying to point out that armed Garda = ERU is not true neither is mp7 = eru. They dont operate in plain clothes unless its covert and while there are some items available only to the ERu and FTU its not as simple as just saying a certain type of gun or vehicle, etc. Beanbag is unique to the ERU/FTU but that is because its only deployed in certain situations that the ERU are called to handle.

So what are the FTU's duties,if it's ok for that to be said on a public forum?

civdef

The name surely must give some hints...

eroo

civdef wrote: »

The name surely must give some hints...

Obviously training:rolleyes:,but if they are being deployed then that is not their sole function?

Victor

eroo wrote: »

So what are the FTU's duties,if it's ok for that to be said on a public forum?

Firearm training? I presume they are firearm qualified and fill in if necessary.

eroo

Victor wrote: »

Firearm training? I presume they are firearm qualified and fill in if necessary.

Again,I think I know their main role!:D But I'm just surprised that a training unit would be deployed!So what would lead them to be deployed?Does that mean the Tactical Training Unit at the Garda College could perform a similar 'fill in' role?

EDIT:Smart ass mods..

civdef

Given that the Gardai use fully qualified gardai as firearms instructors, it makes sense that if bodies were short on the ground, they could be called on to do operational duty.

It's interesting that many UK police forces use civilian firearms instructors (usually ex-services), where this wouldn't be an option.

Esel

civdef wrote: »

Given that the Gardai use fully qualified gardai as firearms instructors, it makes sense that if bodies were short on the ground, they could be called on to do operational duty.

Freudian slip?

Eru

eroo wrote: »

Obviously training:rolleyes:,but if they are being deployed then that is not their sole function?

Its their sole planned function, they arent rostered to do anything else outside or firearms training and evaluation but as they are fully qualified Gardai with knowledge and experience in tactical areas and weapons the choice is there to deploy them when needed. The situation in Dublin North Central was a prime example as it was planned and only to cover the Gardai actually doing the patrols and checkpoints.

ERU will and do patrol Dublin but I personally have yet to see them in tactical gear when patrolling.

eroo

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Its their sole planned function, they arent rostered to do anything else outside or firearms training and evaluation but as they are fully qualified Gardai with knowledge and experience in tactical areas and weapons the choice is there to deploy them when needed. The situation in Dublin North Central was a prime example as it was planned and only to cover the Gardai actually doing the patrols and checkpoints.

ERU will and do patrol Dublin but I personally have yet to see them in tactical gear when patrolling.

Thanks for clearing that up!:)

shakin

check out the ftu section in the 2007 yearbook....

yayamark

The mp7 is only been used by the ERU at the moment, next will be the RSU.

It is not envisaged that the mp7 will be give to regular units for a long time.

eroo

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Its their sole planned function, they arent rostered to do anything else outside or firearms training and evaluation but as they are fully qualified Gardai with knowledge and experience in tactical areas and weapons the choice is there to deploy them when needed. The situation in Dublin North Central was a prime example as it was planned and only to cover the Gardai actually doing the patrols and checkpoints.

ERU will and do patrol Dublin but I personally have yet to see them in tactical gear when patrolling.

The GS College Yearbook says that there are 14 Gardai(4 Sgt's and 10 Gardai)in the FTU.I still can't see it logistically as to why FTU would be deployed seeing as they are such a small unit.Are they deployed because of their similarity to ERU.i.e training and equipment?

Eru

yayamark wrote: »

The mp7 is only been used by the ERU at the moment, next will be the RSU.

It is not envisaged that the mp7 will be give to regular units for a long time.

So RSU will have them (which is regular unit by the way) and what will the rest such as SDU use?

yayamark

sdu will continue with the sig and uzi.

Victor

eroo wrote: »

The GS College Yearbook says that there are 14 Gardai(4 Sgt's and 10 Gardai)in the FTU.I still can't see it logistically as to why FTU would be deployed seeing as they are such a small unit.Are they deployed because of their similarity to ERU.i.e training and equipment?

Persumably officers in the FTU are good at two things - firearms proficiency and training people. I imagine they are so deployed because of the firearms proficiency.

The Black Oil

Good to see the Uzi being replaced.

OT, what is this bit of panelling/protection this Austrian Cobra has?



Officers of Austria's special police unit Cobra display their skills ahead of the Euro 2008 football championships.

CLADA

Its a type of ballistic blanket/sheet its light and easily carried and when opened up as in the photo it can be draped over the body.

Its probably level 2 and would prevent 9mm,.38,.357 penetration but the blunt trauma is gonna be very sore.

Victor

Its a shield, however it can normally be carried like a brief case and at the push of a putton it falls open in less than a second.

Its mostly about cover, but can also provide concealment for the principal, especially if several are used simultaneously.

The Black Oil

Thought so. It's a bit like something out of Batman Begins.

Eru

yayamark wrote: »

sdu will continue with the sig and uzi.

Seriously, who the hell are you and what do you base your comments on?

Sig is used by ERU as well for starters and as already stated: Uzi is obsolete. No new ones made, no parts and no maintenence still in existence! Uzi is gone once there are sufficient MP7s bought and officers are trained up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzi_submachine_gun
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/031217-uzi.htm

I will also print a link to the actual story in Garda review by the FTU themselves but I cant until its online. If your a member a copy should be floating around the station

PRND

I must say Karlito's Way, you are extremely aggressive. You seem to have posted a litany of half truths and when confronted with facts you back track and say "I have never seen..." as if something does not exist if you have not seen it. Especially when the subject matter concerns a unit which by its very nature is secretive.

If your attitude on here mirrors your professional conduct, I would question your suitability for the role which you claim to carry out.

Shield

PRND wrote: »

I must say Karlito's Way, you are extremely aggressive. You seem to have posted a litany of half truths and when confronted with facts you back track and say "I have never seen..." as if something does not exist if you have not seen it. Especially when the subject matter concerns a unit which by its very nature is secretive.

If your attitude on here mirrors your professional conduct, I would question your suitability for the role which you claim to carry out.

PRND, please keep your replies on topic. This type of post would be better off sent directly to him via PM.

PRND

I just think he has been out of order on more than one occasion and it has gone unchecked. There are many better ways to get a point across by beginning a post asking someone who the hell they are. There are obviously alot of anger issues there as well, starting a post with the superfluous word "Seriously".

I appreciate it is off topic but I'd be surprised if this person is a serving Garda and if he is, I'd say he doesn't have much in the way of career prospects.

civdef

That's not how things work here. If you have a a problem with a particular post then say it, but you don't go speculating about the poster, their motivations, careers or identity on an unrelated thread.

There won't be any more warnings.

eroo

Uzi is still in use by some units as MP7 hasn't been rolled out nationwide yet,that would explain why there were Gardai carrying uzi's at checkpoints during 'Operation Platinum' in Limerick.

[Btw,this is a PUBLIC forum,we aren't all in the know..so have a little patience and don't jump down each others throats every time you read something you don't like.There is no point whatsoever in getting worked up on an internet forum..so take it easy people!!!Plus,the mods are going to have start using their banning sticks..:eek: Let's not get people banned for silly reasons,eh?]

Back on topic,how do armed patrols work over here?Anything similar to ARV's with 3 personnel?

metman

eroo wrote: »

]Back on topic,how do armed patrols work over here?Anything similar to ARV's with 3 personnel?

Two officers crew ARVs in the counties. Not sure why the Met opted for 3, but there ya go.

metman

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Seriously, who the hell are you and what do you base your comments on?

Karl take a few deep breaths and exercise a little restraint fella. Its an open forum, so that means you'll have all sorts on here; cops, robbers, civvies as well as those pretending to be all of the above.

JonAnderton

Three just makes it a lot easier and safer. Contact and cover, etc... Not sure what tactics the counties use for vehicle stop options but our seem to make sense having three..

Besides, It's always the case that you can always do with another pair of hands in these sort of situations...

metman

Aye, three sets of hands is always better than two sure. But at the same time county ARVs not only get by with two crew members, they mostly seem to get more involved in local jobs. A county mates gripe is that their ARV crews are so proactive they try to beat local units to the good jobs and hand the paperwork over to the first local unit on scene! Yep London is busier than counties for firearms jobs but its all relative, less units bigger ground etc.

Eru

metman wrote: »

Karl take a few deep breaths and exercise a little restraint fella. Its an open forum, so that means you'll have all sorts on here; cops, robbers, civvies as well as those pretending to be all of the above.

Apologies I just got a little annoyed by the fact that someone simple pops up and makes a statement of fact without offering anything to qualify it such as quotes, links or even offering any information which would suggest they themselves have some inside information.

yayamark

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Seriously, who the hell are you and what do you base your comments on?

Sig is used by ERU as well for starters and as already stated: Uzi is obsolete. No new ones made, no parts and no maintenence still in existence! Uzi is gone once there are sufficient MP7s bought and officers are trained up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzi_submachine_gun
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/031217-uzi.htm

I will also print a link to the actual story in Garda review by the FTU themselves but I cant until its online. If your a member a copy should be floating around the station

Easy on there,

Dont wish to say where i get my info from other than i am a regular poster here and its up to people whether they want to believe me or not, i dont mind.

I dont understand why you are getting so upset.

The SDU carry sigs and uzis. There is no plan to train them soon in the MP7.

The use and maintenance of uzis will continue for a long time in the force.

The .38 is still in use by regular units even though the sig has been in use by the force for a long time
Now have a nice day.:)

Eru

yayamark wrote: »

Easy on there,

Dont wish to say where i get my info from other than i am a regular poster here and its up to people whether they want to believe me or not, i dont mind.

I dont understand why you are getting so upset.

The SDU carry sigs and uzis. There is no plan to train them soon in the MP7.

The use and maintenance of uzis will continue for a long time in the force.

The .38 is still in use by regular units even though the sig has been in use by the force for a long time
Now have a nice day.:)

well I would ask you politely to qualify your comments with some evidence as I have provided for my comments. Sadly the latest edition of Garda review is not yet online but the article about the firearms training unit titled 'Gun culture' states that the UZI is obsolete and parts are no longer supplied via contract as the supplier is no longer manufacturing the weapon or parts. Not sure how I can get it online, scanning I suppose.

As for the .38, well theres not much I can offer to prove otherwise. Im very surprised to say the least that you havent seen regular DDU carrying Sigs. I have links but I will leave it too you if you accept them or not as they are messagenboards and the information is old
http://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=102659&page=8
http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com/archive/index.php/t-357.html

yayamark

ok fair enough i hear what your saying about the garda review havent seen it yet.

Anout the .38 i was on about actual regular units not ddu which have armed people patrolling. not dublin, further south.

Eru

yayamark wrote: »

ok fair enough i hear what your saying about the garda review havent seen it yet.

Anout the .38 i was on about actual regular units not ddu which have armed people patrolling. not dublin, further south.

Not sure I follow what your saying about regular units, are you saying that regular uniform members carry .38s? I presume they are put in plain clothes for this or am I missing the point completely?

CLADA

I said I wasn't going to play this game anymore and I lasted a whole week:eek:

Yayamark has been very hard done by, his posts are accurate and he has been the victim of cyberbullying (saw it on prime time:)).

He is being asked to provide evidence to back up his posts by someone who is backing up theirs by providing links to the peoples republic of cork forum:eek:

Its quite hard to discuss a subject like this and provide proof that your posts are accurate. Most of the posters here are Gardai and if any were in FTU, SDU, ERU etc.. I'm sure they are not going to come out of the closet.

As regards the photo I provided a link to in post #30, I can't prove thats an ERU member with a HK MP7 wearing a Garda windbreaker (Raid jacket), but I do know it is.
I also know they will on occassion allow photograhers to take staged pics.

For Example:

Photographs and news footage taken from behind.

The photo I linked is from the neck to the waist displaying the firearm.

The press can take photographs of ERU if they are able to get the shot and print what they like there are no legal restrictions.
The lads get around this by allowing them to take staged photos and the photographers are happy and agree to leave out the faces or take them from angles where the identity cannot be established. Its a compromise.

yayamark

CLADA wrote: »

I said I wasn't going to play this game anymore and I lasted a whole week:eek:

Yayamark has been very hard done by, his posts are accurate and he has been the victim of cyberbullying (saw it on prime time:)).

He is being asked to provide evidence to back up his posts by someone who is backing up theirs by providing links to the peoples republic of cork forum:eek:

Its quite hard to discuss a subject like this and provide proof that your posts are accurate. Most of the posters here are Gardai and if any were in FTU, SDU, ERU etc.. I'm sure they are not going to come out of the closet.

As regards the photo I provided a link to in post #30, I can't prove thats an ERU member with a HK MP7 wearing a Garda windbreaker (Raid jacket), but I do know it is.
I also know they will on occassion allow photograhers to take staged pics.

For Example:

Photographs and news footage taken from behind.

The photo I linked is from the neck to the waist displaying the firearm.

The press can take photographs of ERU if they are able to get the shot and print what they like there are no legal restrictions.
The lads get around this by allowing them to take staged photos and the photographers are happy and agree to leave out the faces or take them from angles where the identity cannot be established. Its a compromise.

awh thank u sir!

Eru

Fine Clara, would you like to comment on the Garda review article? And I did state that the links were weak and out of date so I dont think your really proving anything by stating where they lead to however A, they relate to the Sig only and B, its more than anyone else is providing.

I see your point about what you know or dont however I could easily say the same about who is getting trained in MP7 but have tried my level best to provide proof to support my views.


And I fail to see how asking someone to provide proof is bullying whereas ganging up is just mean!!!!

CLADA

I'm not talking to you anymore until you spell my username correctly.
How would you like it if I called you Karlitosgay:D

Eru

CLADA wrote: »

I'm not talking to you anymore until you spell my username correctly.
How would you like it if I called you Karlitosgay:D

Depends, is it a typo or are you making suggestions about me? Not that theres anything wrong with that, no no nothing at all, its fine......

Well anyway, maybe we better just put this too bed and forget about it. Im kinda fed up going backwards and forwards.

yayamark

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Depends, is it a typo or are you making suggestions about me? Not that theres anything wrong with that, no no nothing at all, its fine......

Well anyway, maybe we better just put this too bed and forget about it. Im kinda fed up going backwards and forwards.

yes i agree.

all in the one job no point arging amongst ourselves.

Goodnight.

~~~~~Mod. Please lock thread its gone as far as it will go~~~~~

civdef

I tend to agree.