Jeff Hardy

Seely Booth · 12-05-2008 1:00pm #1

Any news on whats happening with jeff hardy? and why does cm punk not get a bigger push? And finally anyone can be ecw champion!! its a shame that belt used to mean something!!!!

Kane-N-Nite · 12-05-2008 1:20pm

Seely Booth wrote: »

Any news on whats happening with jeff hardy? and why does cm punk not get a bigger push? And finally anyone can be ecw champion!! its a shame that belt used to mean something!!!!

Anyone can be ECW champion? Are you saying Kane is a bad ECW champ? It ain't his fault the show is bad. He deserves to have belt around his waist. As for Chavo Guerrero.......

SuperWoody101 · 12-05-2008 1:22pm

Seely Booth wrote: »

Any news on whats happening with jeff hardy?

-- Jeff Hardy's 60-day suspension for a second violation of WWE's Substance Abuse and Drug Testing Policy ends tonight. Technically, he is eligible to appear at tomorrow night's Raw brand house show in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Hardy is advertised to appear at some Raw brand house shows next month.

Source: PWHeadlines.com

This was posted 3 days ago So he could make a return at Raw tonight.

Seely Booth · 12-05-2008 1:24pm

no i like kane hes a good performer! but as you say chavo guerro, john morrison these guys would struggle on raw or smackdown to win say a us championship or an intercontinental championship. I actually think Kane should be in the world heavyweight championship running on a continual basis along with the great khali

Vince135792003 · 12-05-2008 1:27pm

Kane-N-Nite wrote: »

Are you saying Kane is a bad ECW champ?

He's not good or bad to me. He's just holding a title that means absolutely nothing. Sure they even included him in the WWE Smackdown title chase thing last week for the World Heavy Weight Title.

Fozzy · 12-05-2008 1:37pm

Jeff's suspension is up. He could return any time now

They obviously don't have any plans for Punk at the moment. He's still winning more than he loses though

Kane-N-Nite · 12-05-2008 1:40pm

Vince135792003 wrote: »

He's not good or bad to me. He's just holding a title that means absolutely nothing. Sure they even included him in the WWE Smackdown title chase thing last week for the World Heavy Weight Title.

A title that means nothing is better than no title at all!

mehfesto2 · 12-05-2008 1:44pm

It was a pity Jeff was suspended when he was. He would have been an intresting champion.
Can't see him slipping back into that area though. A Hardy V Hardy feud would be interesting. Has it been done before?

Where do people think he's going to come bck into the mix?

Rjd2 · 12-05-2008 1:55pm

Seely Booth wrote: »

no i like kane hes a good performer! but as you say chavo guerro, john morrison these guys would struggle on raw or smackdown to win say a us championship or an intercontinental championship. I actually think Kane should be in the world heavyweight championship running on a continual basis along with the great khali

No he should be nowhere near the Smackdown title scene, leave that belt to proper wrestlers like MVP, Taker and Matt to feud over. Let the washed up crappy Taker imitation have the worthless ECW belt. Nobody gives a flying **** about ECW anyways

Kane-N-Nite · 12-05-2008 2:02pm

Rjd2 wrote: »

No he should be nowhere near the Smackdown title scene, leave that belt to proper wrestlers like MVP, Taker and Matt to feud over. Let the washed up crappy Taker imitation have the worthless ECW belt. Nobody gives a flying **** about ECW anyways

Nobody may give a flying **** about ECW as you say, But c'mon MVP? seriously? I got nothing against Matt, but no way are they even on the same level as Kane. Sure, Kane aint as good as he once was, I have to disagree with your point that he should not be in the SmackDown title scene.

Vince135792003 · 12-05-2008 2:08pm

What could Kane bring to the table that we haven't already seen or that people would like to see again? In 1998, he was somebody. In 2008, he's just a functional cog in the WWE machine having reached his peaked years ago.

In contrast MVP hasn't reached his peak yet and has lots to offer at the top.

Kane-N-Nite · 12-05-2008 2:10pm

Without Kane, the WWE would be dull. I'll agree he was better in 1998, but MVP will never be on that level.

5ForKeeps · 12-05-2008 2:20pm

Jeff Hardy had the potential to be one of the best wrestlers in the business. After his ladder match with the Taker a few years back, i thought the WWE and Vince would push him big-time. He was a crowd favourite and on the back of that match they could have built him but his inner demons i feel stopped this from happening. Would like to see himself and Matt get a run one last time for the Tag Team titles like the back in the day.

Fozzy · 12-05-2008 2:24pm

5ForKeeps wrote: »

Would like to see himself and Matt get a run one last time for the Tag Team titles like the back in the day.

They were tag champs this time last year

5ForKeeps · 12-05-2008 2:28pm

Fozzy wrote: »

They were tag champs this time last year

After the MVP/Hardy storyline is over, they should have another crack.

mehfesto2 · 12-05-2008 3:21pm

5ForKeeps wrote: »

After the MVP/Hardy storyline is over, they should have another crack.

Agreed. I think that feud is rubbish anyway. It's been near ridiculous from day one anyway. The basketball bit was hilarious. But not in a good way. :pac:

The tag-titles used to be huge (tlc anyone?!), they seem to have been pushed back over the years, with a lack of great partenerships. The Hardys, Dudleys, E&C, Brothers of Destruction, Rock&Sock... They were all great in their own way. The new lot dont have the same appeal.

5ForKeeps · 12-05-2008 3:30pm

mehfesto2 wrote: »

Agreed. I think that feud is rubbish anyway. It's been near ridiculous from day one anyway. The basketball bit was hilarious. But not in a good way. :pac:

The tag-titles used to be huge (tlc anyone?!), they seem to have been pushed back over the years, with a lack of great partenerships. The Hardys, Dudleys, E&C, Brothers of Destruction, Rock&Sock... They were all great in their own way. The new lot dont have the same appeal.

The problem is there isn't enough what you would call generally Tag Team specialists in the WWE itself which is why the Hardy's coming back together would exploit this and give the Tag Team division more impetious to grow and get back to in a way it was back in the day when you had the Dudley's etc..of the likes.

Vince135792003 · 12-05-2008 3:36pm

5ForKeeps wrote: »

The problem is there isn't enough what you would call generally Tag Team specialists in the WWE itself which is why the Hardy's coming back together would exploit this and give the Tag Team division more impetious to grow and get back to in a way it was back in the day when you had the Dudley's etc..of the likes.

Jeff Hardy (with his head on right) is more valuable to the company than just as a guy who can help build back up the tag division.

Fozzy · 12-05-2008 3:37pm

The Hardys getting back together did nothing for the division last year. If WWE wanted to have a strong tag division then they'd do something with it, but they obviously don't. Putting the Hardys back together would be a step backwards for them

mehfesto2 · 12-05-2008 3:39pm

What happened to Cryme Tyme? They were a good duo tag-team wise? They were good on the mic and great in ring. And yer man was a monster.

If you had them, The Hardys, say Mysterio & Batista for example and one other team you'd have a pretty good line-up. Keep the two lads-the whatchumacallim-y'know the jumpy lads in matching Red/Blue get-up? They used to bring masks to the ring. Small lads. Yeah, that'd be a decent tag-team line up.

Bounty Hunter · 12-05-2008 3:48pm

I think CM Punks push is going to be a real slow burner with him being Mr Money in the bank for a long time befre cashing it in. In WWE terms he is nowhere near big enough to win either the Raw or SD main titles and stars like Jericho, Hardy, Batista et are all far more established, hense his losing so much atm. However simply being off ECW and competing with such stars due to his status as MR MITB is hugely benefical to him. After gaining invaluable experience and momentum from feuding with/defeating some of these stars he will be ready for his big heavyweight push and to cash in the MITB... they arent wasting his push

Dancor · 12-05-2008 3:48pm

mehfesto2 wrote: »

Keep the two lads-the whatchumacallim-y'know the jumpy lads in matching Red/Blue get-up? They used to bring masks to the ring. Small lads. Yeah, that'd be a decent tag-team line up.

love the description

mehfesto2 · 12-05-2008 4:19pm

Tankyuhverrymuch

Tricity Bendix · 12-05-2008 6:11pm

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

I think CM Punks push is going to be a real slow burner with him being Mr Money in the bank for a long time befre cashing it in. In WWE terms he is nowhere near big enough to win either the Raw or SD main titles and stars like Jericho, Hardy, Batista et are all far more established, hense his losing so much atm. However simply being off ECW and competing with such stars due to his status as MR MITB is hugely benefical to him. After gaining invaluable experience and momentum from feuding with/defeating some of these stars he will be ready for his big heavyweight push and to cash in the MITB... they arent wasting his push

I have a sinking feeling that they will waste his push by having him cash the briefcase in for a shot at Kane. This will be after they become Tag champs together.

Furious-Red · 12-05-2008 7:04pm

b.ie curious wrote: »

I have a sinking feeling that they will waste his push by having him cash the briefcase in for a shot at Kane. This will be after they become Tag champs together.

Would'nt be suprised. I could see them win the titles have them for awhile then they lose them and Punk turn on Kane

Bubs101 · 12-05-2008 7:22pm

I can't see them taking the belts of Miz and Morrison unless they're going to give Morrison a big big push. They are brilliant as tag champs and the Miz on guest commentary on ECW has been class. I would be very surprised if Punk and Kane won. I'd say that it's more likely that they'll use it to build an ECW match feud whether it'll be Punk cashing in, which I think is possible-ish or Chavo interrupting the match

hyn-zie · 13-05-2008 8:52am

Jeff Hardy is back with a win over Umaga on Raw, seemly it looks like he is going to be punished for his actions by Regal, Obviously he didn't share his Cra@k with him back stage!

5ForKeeps · 13-05-2008 8:57am

hyn-zie wrote: »

Jeff Hardy is back with a win over Umaga on Raw, seemly it looks like he is going to be punished for his actions by Regal, Obviously he didn't share his Cra@k with him back stage!

How Regal is the GM of Raw can anyone tell me? Bring back Stone Cold Steve Austin in that role and sparks will fly. It would improve their ratings as well.

BazBox · 13-05-2008 9:10am

5ForKeeps wrote: »

How Regal is the GM of Raw can anyone tell me? Bring back Stone Cold Steve Austin in that role and sparks will fly. It would improve their ratings as well.

Regal has been good the last few weeks with the storyline they've given him, a feud with him and Kennedy seems on the horizon

As for Jeff, I hope he gets another shot at HHH they put on some good matches in the past and can easily re-create that

hyn-zie · 13-05-2008 9:28am

BazBox wrote: »

Regal has been good the last few weeks with the storyline they've given him, a feud with him and Kennedy seems on the horizon

I think Kennedy is prob the best up and coming wrestler and their given him such a push for a baby face, he will get better and he'll finally get the push for the title

As for Jeff, I hope he gets another shot at HHH they put on some good matches in the past and can easily re-create that

Unlikely to happen, he didn't even seem focused last night, he still has his inner demons to deal with me thinks

Fozzy · 13-05-2008 1:03pm

Not to give anything away, but please use spoiler tags if you're talking directly about Raw

grames_bond · 13-05-2008 2:36pm

hyn-zie wrote: »

I think Kennedy is prob the best up and coming wrestler and their given him such a push for a baby face, he will get better and he'll finally get the push for the title

i hope you are right, i think he deserves it, maybe give him more mic time like he used to have before his last suspension! that way he'll get over weith the fans even more and become the champ finally!

Bubs101 · 13-05-2008 4:17pm

Kennedy can't be champ on Raw for at least a few years. It's too crowded up top with HBK, Orton, Cena, Jericho and JBL all ahead of him

ShawnRaven · 13-05-2008 5:12pm

I'd tend to disagree there, HBK has had his time in the sun (and isn't in any hurry for a title reign anytime soon either), Orton, much as i like him, his first title reign tanked and the jury is still out on his second one. Cena has held that damn belt the longest since Hogan, Jericho is nowhere near contention for that belt in my honest opinion, especially if they have the IC belt on him, which is a bit of a step back from 2002 (and thats not the first time he's had the IC belt since then either), and JBL? Personally i don't think i'd want to see him with another title reign. He hasn't been the same since his back injury.

I think Kennedy is more than ready for his first short reign as a champion on RAW, especially if HBK is on his way out and is looking for one more reign, a transitional first reign for Kennedy would be perfect for him. Even a transition to Cena (i know, i'll wash my mouth out with soap now) would work for him.

VR!

Vince135792003 · 13-05-2008 6:33pm

Orton's first reign was poor because WWE totally botched it, turning him good the next night on Raw just as he was really picking up steam as a bad guy.

As for his second run, how is the jury still out on it? He did more than fine, was a great foil to play off for WWE's other top stars like Cena and drew pretty well on ppv.

ShawnRaven · 13-05-2008 6:39pm

Vince135792003 wrote: »

Orton's first reign was poor because WWE totally botched it, turning him good the next night on Raw just as he was really picking up steam as a bad guy.

Agreed, but on top of that, it was far too early for him anyway, he was barely in the main event picture a wet day before they gave him the ball to run with. Even if he hadn't been turned face, the chances of it being a successful reign would have been very slim in my honest opinion.

As for his second run, how is the jury still out on it? He did more than fine, was a great foil to play off for WWE's other top stars like Cena and drew pretty well on ppv.

The jury is still out until all the figures from all the PPVs that he headlined are back, to determine exactly how well he draws as a main event. Don't get me wrong, i enjoyed his reign (of what i saw until Cena came back, then i tuned right out). All i'm trying to say is Kennedy is a perfectly good heel waiting in the wings who has a lot more experience for a first reign than Orton did for his first reign.

VR!

Bubs101 · 13-05-2008 6:45pm

Looking at the Raw roster right now I'd say kennedy is around 7th in line.

HBK hasn't held the title in years, I would consider Orton's last reign as a success, Cena hasn't held the belt in a while and there's a reason why he was champ for so long. JBL's reign on SD was brilliant. Can't see that Kennedy has leapfrogged Hardy and personally, If there was a traditional champ I'd like to see Umaga. I really like Kennedy but I think that he'd be better suited to take on the SD belt for a while

Edit: Just saw what you said their about experience. In all fairness, if kennedy had a platform like Evolution than I'd have no problem but he doesnt

Vince135792003 · 13-05-2008 8:25pm

validreasoning! wrote: »

Agreed, but on top of that, it was far too early for him anyway, he was barely in the main event picture a wet day before they gave him the ball to run with.

They had been building him up since the summer before by kicking Foley down the stairs. His feud with Foley put him over in a major, major way. To me, he was never going to be more ready and they cut the legs right from under him by making turning him face the very next night.

They never gave him a chance. He was booked to fail.

All the ppv figures are back up as far as Wretlemania this year.

They have all been generally up from their previous year when Orton wasn't champ. Is that all down to Orton? No but he's contributed.

Fozzy · 13-05-2008 8:31pm

validreasoning! wrote: »

The jury is still out until all the figures from all the PPVs that he headlined are back, to determine exactly how well he draws as a main event. Don't get me wrong, i enjoyed his reign (of what i saw until Cena came back, then i tuned right out). All i'm trying to say is Kennedy is a perfectly good heel waiting in the wings who has a lot more experience for a first reign than Orton did for his first reign.

The only PPV he actually main-evented as champ was the last one. The PPV numbers are back for all the others. I can't remember many, but off the top of my head the first two PPVs this year did very well, much better than last year. That can probably be attributed to Jeff Hardy and the Elimination Chambers more than Orton though

I think Orton did a great job as champ

ShawnRaven · 13-05-2008 10:03pm

Vince135792003 wrote: »

They had been building him up since the summer before by kicking Foley down the stairs. His feud with Foley put him over in a major, major way. To me, he was never going to be more ready and they cut the legs right from under him by making turning him face the very next night.

They never gave him a chance. He was booked to fail.

I still disagree here, you're not going to just jump from the midcard into the main event and a title reign without a lot of fan backlash. A good example of this is JBL. Oh sure, people love him now, but how people sat in front of their keyboards in utter disgust when Eddie Guerrero dropped the title to him at the 2004 Great American Bash after a four or five month title reign. And even after that, it took a couple of months for fans to warm to the idea of him being a monster main event heel.

With Orton, he had no track record of being a main eventer either, but the difference between him and JBL was JBL had experience with working with main eventers, Orton was only about 9 months back after his shoulder injury, and before that he only had about a month on Smackdown. Not exactly someone you'd shove into a main event and give a title if you were booking a promotion is it?

Sure WWE made a balls of it by turning him face the following night on RAW, but i really don't think fans would have bought him as a champion immediately at that point in time anyway, and he would have dropped the belt to HHH at Summerslam the month after anyway.

VR!

ShawnRaven · 13-05-2008 10:04pm

Fozzy wrote: »

The only PPV he actually main-evented as champ was the last one. The PPV numbers are back for all the others. I can't remember many, but off the top of my head the first two PPVs this year did very well, much better than last year. That can probably be attributed to Jeff Hardy and the Elimination Chambers more than Orton though

Cheers for that, as i said, i'd been out of the loop with WWE PPV over the last few months.

VR!

Vince135792003 · 14-05-2008 12:52am

Comparing Orton's initial title run, which came after a 13 month push in which he had been in the ring and had programmes with Mick Foley, Chris Benoit, RVD, Edge as well as a 2 week spin with the Rock at Wrestlemania to JBL's out of the blue 6 week push to the top is inaccurate.

grames_bond · 14-05-2008 10:13am

Bubs101 wrote: »

Can't see that Kennedy has leapfrogged Hardy and personally, If there was a traditional champ I'd like to see Umaga.

id be pretty sure that kennedy HAS leapfrogged hardy, i dont think they will turst him or give hom another push until his deamons are all taken care of, and who knows if/when thet'll happen!

i would hate to see umaga as champ, imo a champ should be all round package, good in the ring AND good on the mic, which umaga isnt....having a champ just go "blearghhhh" all the time would wreck my head! (and i doubt im the only one)

Tricity Bendix · 14-05-2008 12:19pm

I know there is a whole different lingo going on in the wrestling world, but if one more person mentions the word 'demons', I am going to scream. Nobody has problems or issues anymore. Everybody needs to have a f*cking demon./rant

grames_bond · 14-05-2008 10:07pm

b.ie curious wrote: »

I know there is a whole different lingo going on in the wrestling world, but if one more person mentions the word 'demons', I am going to scream. Nobody has problems or issues anymore. Everybody needs to have a f*cking demon./rant

more often than not when you are talkin about addiction, thats a bit more serious than a "problem" or an "issue" they are incredibly serious that people have to fight and battle....aka demons!

ShawnRaven · 14-05-2008 11:50pm

Vince135792003 wrote: »

Comparing Orton's initial title run, which came after a 13 month push in which he had been in the ring and had programmes with Mick Foley, Chris Benoit, RVD, Edge as well as a 2 week spin with the Rock at Wrestlemania to JBL's out of the blue 6 week push to the top is inaccurate.

When you put it that way, yeah it is inaccurate. Now let's tell it like it was in 2003-2004, yeah?

Foley - was long past his use by date, who only came back now and again to put new talent over. And he certainly did, but not to main event extent.

Benoit - who too was barely main event level, and whereas he had the in ring ability, he had the charisma of a dead fish, which of course, doesn't work in the land of McMahon.

RVD - As far was WWE was concerned, was NOTHING! Especially in 2004. Five years with the company and he had a makeshift ECW title to show for it. Most of it being his own doing.

Edge - Was a midcard joke at that period of time just fresh off returning from an injury that kept him out for a year. Nobody could see Edge getting his spot at the top at time, anyone who claims otherwise is just lying.

Rock - Give me a break here, what in the hell was Rock in 2004 other than a guest appearance?

Those names combined look like an impressive list four years on, but they were far from impressive for Orton at the time, especially Benoit, RVD and Edge who were all glorified midcarders at the time Orton was on his rise.

VR!

Fozzy · 15-05-2008 12:08am

Even if you don't consider the people Orton feuded with for that previous year as top stars, they outshine the guys JBL had been feuding with in the same period by far. The Bashams, Rhyno, Haas and Benjamin. And they were all when he was a part of a tag team. Orton was getting a push as the legend killer and was a much bigger deal in the eyes of the fans

Vince135792003 · 15-05-2008 12:21am

Fozzy wrote: »

Even if you don't consider the people Orton feuded with for that previous year as top stars, they outshine the guys JBL had been feuding with in the same period by far.

And that's exactly my point. Couldn't agree more.

ShawnRaven · 15-05-2008 12:40am

Fozzy wrote: »

Even if you don't consider the people Orton feuded with for that previous year as top stars, they outshine the guys JBL had been feuding with in the same period by far. The Bashams, Rhyno, Haas and Benjamin. And they were all when he was a part of a tag team. Orton was getting a push as the legend killer and was a much bigger deal in the eyes of the fans

Lads, i never disputed this. All i am saying was a major factor in his first push failing is because he got pushed too quickly! The legend killer storyline was a huge deal, but from stepping from IC title to world title in the space of a month? Nah, that honestly wasn't going to work. And as i said already, turning him face the night after he won the title might have been the final nail in the coffin. But because he was pushed so fast, that reign was doomed to fail given his lack of track record as a credible main eventer.

Of course, i said the same about Bradshaw four years ago, and was made eat my boots for it

VR!

Vince135792003 · 15-05-2008 12:52am

You can't say he would have failed miserably with certainty because they never even gave him a chance. They didn't give him even 1 Raw to be a heel with the belt.

Other people have been pushed alot quicker ( not that it was quick because for the fourth post they gradually built him for about a year) and haven't failed.

ShawnRaven · 15-05-2008 1:01am

You're making it sound that the face turn is the solitary reason the title reign failed. I'm just throwing other (viable) options on the table.

Who has been pushed quicker? The only person that springs to mind was Brock Lesnar, but to be fair, there is a huge difference between Brock and Orton. And it still took three months of Brock ploughing through midcard scrubs before getting KOTR before he was pushed for the title.

VR!

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