Is it in order for a mod to ban...

...or suspend a poster (I think the phrase used was 'infraction') where the mod has contributed to a thread and disagreed with that poster? Thought on sites in general it usually is a different mod?

No big deal, have been kicked off the after hours section which I rarely contribute to anyway. Apparently, on a drugs thread, I allegedly advocated the use of drugs. But the moderator evidently has his own views and opinion on the topic which may have coloured his judgment.

muffler

Links?

Sully

Links would be very helpful.

AlmightyCushion

Deleted User wrote: »

...or suspend a poster (I think the phrase used was 'infraction') where the mod has contributed to a thread and disagreed with that poster? Thought on sites in general it usually is a different mod?

I've never had a problem with a mod banning someone or taking action against someone who they disagreed with as long as the action they took was warranted.

Deleted User wrote: »

No big deal, have been kicked off the after hours section which I rarely contribute to anyway. Apparently, on a drugs thread, I allegedly advocated the use of drugs. But the moderator evidently has his own views and opinion on the topic which may have coloured his judgment.

If you want I can take a look at it and give you my opinion. Links for what got you banned would be handy. Who was it that banned you?

Edit: Just seen the infraction now. The post was deleted so no links to it, here is a link to the infraction (http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2055292238) mods eyes only though. He told someone to try drugs. That could land the site in some seriously dodgy waters. I would have done the same.

Karl Hungus

Well, an infraction is a very different thing to a ban, or to 'suspend' a user. Infractions are really just warnings, or the like.

AlmightyCushion

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Well, an infraction is a very different thing to a ban, or to 'suspend' a user. Infractions are really just warnings, or the like.

He was banned for two weeks.

Dades

Deleted User wrote: »

But the moderator evidently has his own views and opinion on the topic which may have coloured his judgment.

I think the only view the mod had that was relevant in your banning was that drugs are illegal - and you advocated their use.

Unless the mod had done the same thing in his posts, I can't see what difference it makes that he had posted at all. One of notable features of Boards is that mods are 'users' first and 'mods' second.

Your mod just switched modes when you crossed the line.

Vexorg

Aye infractions are just like quick warning pms - I think the word "infraction" may taken as meaning something more serious. We could look at changing this to something more cuddly in the same way we changed the "acting the muppet" infraction to "acting the spanner" to "being naughty"


V.

Whoops conversation has moved.. not really relevant now as it was a ban

Sparks

See, this is what happens when you dumb down the leaving cert - you wind up having to cuddlify the english language....

Beruthiel

You gotta try it at least once and tell me then if its better or not

Telling someone to use drugs is completely irresponsible.

Ban deserved.

Karoma

I don't see any conflict between Terry's actions as a user and Terry's actions as a moderator. He simply switched modes. I don't get the impression that he's throwing his mod. weight around / abusing his position. He's following the rules guideliness most of agreed on at some stage another when it comes to discussing drugs:
We understand that people take drugs and want to discuss it; discussion within reason is acceptable in AH.
"Within reason" usually follows the lines of:
No advocating their use - telling some random person to take any drug, illegal or legal, is dangerous. You have no idea whether that person should/could take the drug and how it'd affect them, so prescribing it is just silly.
No discussing where to get drugs - in any shop/deal: batches change, suppliers range. It's far too close to a prescription (for a drug that could be different to what you took). It's just silly.
No silly "i um sooo toasted /toast" threads- they're just silly.

In summary, don't be silly and we won't have to slap you on the wrists.

(In this instance: the user was being silly. Terry did what I would have done (I cannot speak for the moderators) )

Overheal

I've been modded by Terry before. I have to agree with Karoma; he's one of the better mods of the forum.

I've been warned about similar OP; it was beruthiel actually - in the context of a PI thread I was telling a poster about a drug experience that I was spinning in a positive and advisable light. It just cannot be done, really. People will make up their own minds; and boards wants to keep its hands clean so let it.

But I notice another mod posted there and said they took drugs and it made them feel giggly. I said dance music was better on it, that's hardly linking up someone to a dealer. Again, I stress that its no big deal, but how come Terry didn't ban his fellow mod (not that I believe he deserved it either for simply relating an experience)?

Another reply was...

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=52970614&postcount=136

Hardly a damning indictment of drugs.

It seems to me that if they're's a debate about drugs, one can't get all holier than thou when someone relates a good experience. Or else the debate becomes pretty pointless.

But I'll take my slap on the wrist.

Sully

You can talk about it but you cant tell someone to do drugs. Thats the difference

Sherifu

Ban deserved OP. You put the site at risk with those kind of posts.

humanji

Telling someone to take drugs and telling them a personal experience about using drugs are two very different things. Why do you think they are the same?

Calina

See Beruthiel's post above. You didn't just say dance music was better on it. You directly advocated trying it too. The line there is not really all that fine.

Sully

Sully wrote: »

You can talk about it but you cant tell someone to do drugs. Thats the difference

One can't say 'they were great, I had such fun, the time of my life, a blast, you should try it'.

But one can say 'they were great, I had such fun, the time of my life, a blast' and let the other posters draw the obvious inference, it's okay.

It seems to be a fine line. But I appreciate that the general consensus here was that I was wrong, which is fair enough. I can't be right always!

Beruthiel

Deleted User wrote: »

It seems to be a fine line.

Yes it is.
If you suggest that someone takes a drug and they are stupid enough to follow your suggestion and it all goes pear shaped.
Legally, boards could be sued.

godtabh

Deleted User wrote: »

It seems to me that if they're's a debate about drugs, one can't get all holier than thou when someone relates a good experience. Or else the debate becomes pretty pointless.

No one has been banned for saying they took drugs. You've banned for telling some one to take drugs. Big difference there

6th

Deleted User wrote: »

But I appreciate that the general consensus here was that I was wrong, which is fair enough. I can't be right always!

Fair play, hopefully people will see that you've accepted it and tehy wont keep posting telling you how naughty you are.

Sully

Deleted User wrote: »

One can't say 'they were great, I had such fun, the time of my life, a blast, you should try it'.

But one can say 'they were great, I had such fun, the time of my life, a blast' and let the other posters draw the obvious inference, it's okay.

It seems to be a fine line. But I appreciate that the general consensus here was that I was wrong, which is fair enough. I can't be right always!

Your missing my point. Iv highlighted the offending comment in your post which got you banned

Drugs are bad!

passive

How do we feel about "You shouldn't not try them!" ?

Sherifu

Confused.

JC 2K3

It's a bit much for a ban IMO, I would have thought editing the post and giving a warning would have been enough.

I'd also question the consistancy of bans of this nature. Saying something along the lines of "there's nothing wrong with a bit of weed" or "If everyone smoked weed rather than alcohol, we wouldn't have half the problems we do now" is also advocating the use of illegal drugs, yet they're both mentioned in some form numerous times on any thread on AH about drugs. Where is the line drawn? Is it all right to say the use of illegal drugs is a good thing? If it's just telling someone directly to do drugs/commit a crime that's wrong then that should be reflected in the charter.

JC 2K3

JC 2K3 wrote: »

I'd also question the consistancy of bans of this nature. Saying something along the lines of "there's nothing wrong with a bit of weed" or "If everyone smoked weed rather than alcohol, we wouldn't have half the problems we do now" is also advocating the use of illegal drugs, yet they're both mentioned in some form numerous times on any thread on AH about drugs.

Afaik that point is made many times by many posters on that particular thread, which is why I was really surprised to get banned for 2 weeks. I appreciate that modding aint easy, and the last thing mods need is some whiny poster who keeps coming back and picking at an issue, but just didn't see that ban coming at all. I wasn't trolling or stirring, gave an opinion (albeit an opinion that might be unacceptable for the sake of the forum), and got booted off. Its fair enough, rules is rules, but was just amazed at the reaction.

Tigger

the thing about boards is its not for everybody and trouble is caused by posts advocating drugs

Terry

Lots of impressionable kids about.

'But mammy, the man on boards.ie said I should do it. He said it was good.'
Tens to get the site in trouble and with the libel laws in Ireland, it could be a lot of trouble for this site.

JC2345, You're a stoner. We get it.

Terry

Terry wrote: »

Lots of impressionable kids about.

Fair enough. I guess the site is open to under 18s, and wasn't really thinking about that age group. Not sure the legal liability should be a huge concern, it would seem that the cause and effect is pretty remote. But guess it's better left unsaid either way.

Anyway, no worries.

JC 2K3

Terry wrote: »

JC2345, You're a stoner. We get it.

Actually, I only smoke weed once or twice every 2/3 months, if even, haven't in about 5 months now.

But anyway, I've made my point, bans of this nature are slightly harsh (especially 2 week bans), the charter is inconsistant with the reality of the offenses people are banned for when talking about drugs, and the bans themselves are inconsistant. Feel free to take this on board, or not. Anyway, I've said what I have to say. Now let the thread descend into cat pics.