Football Hooligans true to form

metman

Well Rangers didn't disappoint with a display of hooliganism that left 15 police officers injured, one officer suffering a broken arm. Still, nice to see GMPs furry landsharks in action dishing out some K9 justice to the scum causing trouble.

Speedy recovery to injured officers and tough luck to the scrotes crying foul on the part of the police.

Karoma

"The directions given to police dogs were particularly brutal, according to one fan."
I'm guessing it was this one fan:


haw haw!

Call Me Jimmy

Ah... justice!

civdef

"The directions given to police dogs were particularly brutal, according to one fan."

LOL I can see it now,

"Fido, I want you to go for the baldy f***er in the blue jersey with the baldy head - take a lump out of his right leg, but watch out for CCTV."

You don't direct the four legged fiends to be "particularly brutal" - that's exactly what they say on the tin, and they'll take big lumps out of coppers as happily as anyone else, if they get a chance.

Eru

Classic stuff, put in their place on the night and if the courts do their job, for a long time to come.

MrAnderson

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7402702.stm

BBC have the CCTV footage on this morning. I'd think after watching that, the police were more than justified in their level of response

Paulzx

The copper on the ground with the mob of 30 around him kicking lumps out of him should be charged with police brutality. It was a complete over reaction on his part and he enticed the hooligans into battering him. In fact it was police entrapment and he should be sacked. :rolleyes:

I'm justing waiting for the do gooders

shakin

Karoma wrote: »

"The directions given to police dogs were particularly brutal, according to one fan."
I'm guessing it was this one fan:


haw haw!

who do these police dogs answer to? i dont think police officers would get away with that:D

Paulzx

I think a trip to the vet for the dog is in order. Get his vaccines topped up.

board om

Paulzx wrote: »

The copper on the ground with the mob of 30 around him kicking lumps out of him should be charged with police brutality. It was a complete over reaction on his part and he enticed the hooligans into battering him. In fact it was police entrapment and he should be sacked. :rolleyes:

I'm justing waiting for the do gooders

yeah, the way he assaulted those poor hooligan's feet and fists with his head was just terrible.

all jokes aside, that must have been a horrifying experience for him. id say he thought he was going to die on the ground. something like that would leave you mentally scarred.

eroo

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7402817.stm

metman

Looks like officers from TAG (Tactical Aid Group).

MrAnderson

eroo wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7402817.stm

That boy didn't know what hit him

RedXIV

My dad's a copper and he took his share of batterings because of stupid football fans. He's never gone out of his way to antagonise anyone and alot of the guys he works with are pure gentlemen. and because some bast**d fans reckon they have the weekend off to see a match, they might as well get in a scrap then aswell, my dad has enough scars to play noughts and crosses on. Cop's don't get half enough recognition of the crap they put up with and god help football if i ever get in a situation of power coz a mob like that will be greeted with automatic weapons :mad:

Latchy

Putting over 100,000 football fans ( 25,000 with tickets ) in a city centre and allowing them to booze up for 2 days in advance is not a good idea regardless of which team they are supporting .The large screen going down was just to excuse the retard section of these fans needed to kick off .This is not a defence of those hoolligans, far from it and we have seen it all before but the police seemed out numbered considering the large sea of humanity in manchester city centre on wednesday night .I think people were already talking about ' when ' not ' if ' the rangers fans kick off well before the match to .

metman

I agree with you mate. I think its about time we woke up to the reality of allowing people to get p*ssed up all day long in anticipation of a contentious football game, not to mention drink in the street/public.

Look at the upcoming Chelsea game in Russia. First thing the Russians said was 'no drinking in the streets and if there's any trouble expect the police to deal with it swiftly'. You can be guaranteed the Russians won't bring a knife to a gunfight.

Meanwhile..... Pompei and Cardiff tomorrow. I expect more trouble at this game.

FGR

Fair play to our colleauges who tried their level best to keep the peace. I can only imagine how it would go if it were to happen on this side of the sea.

That is - the (surprisingly loud) minority that will complain to the media/GSOC about Gardai doing their jobs rather than the efforts put in by the individual officers to break up the violence.

Is this a similar trend in the UK, Metman?

Tango Alpha 51

Scumbags everyone of them. Spoke to a colleague working in the Ambulance Service on that night. Several of their people were attacked aswell. Never fails to amaze me how no matter what uniform your wearing, these gob****es think we're all fair game. Hope everyone gets along custodial sentence.:mad::mad:

metman

ForegoneReality wrote: »

Fair play to our colleauges who tried their level best to keep the peace. I can only imagine how it would go if it were to happen on this side of the sea.

That is - the (surprisingly loud) minority that will complain to the media/GSOC about Gardai doing their jobs rather than the efforts put in by the individual officers to break up the violence.

Is this a similar trend in the UK, Metman?

You always get the whingers but the only people I hear saying the police were heavy-handed in this case were the ones getting bitten by the police dogs.

I think its a hard argument to make when you see the scenes of violent disorder going on and the scum en masse attacking the copper on the ground (who luckily got away relatively unscathed considering).

Anytime I've been involved in any kind of football related public order incident I've always heard the old cry 'heavy-handed police tactics'. Funnily enough this usually comes from the same cocaine and Stella fuelled thugs, out for blood, that wind up getting nicked or batoned.....or their solicitors.

Fyr.Fytr

GMP's landsharks take a well earned rest

eroo

Metman,are the notorious TAG still going??

civdef

You mean TSG, formerly known as SPG?

eroo

civdef wrote: »

You mean TSG, formerly known as SPG?

No,GMP's Tactical Aid Group.Metman being in a UK force might know if they are still going or renamed!TSG is the Met's equivalent.

metman

eroo wrote: »

No,GMP's Tactical Aid Group.Metman being in a UK force might know if they are still going or renamed!TSG is the Met's equivalent.

Eroo you're right, they're now officially called the Tactical Aid Unit!

GMP is one of the few forces that maintains a level one PSU capability in line with TSG.... though Met TSG has a firearms capability.

Eru

ForegoneReality wrote: »

Fair play to our colleauges who tried their level best to keep the peace. I can only imagine how it would go if it were to happen on this side of the sea.

That is - the (surprisingly loud) minority that will complain to the media/GSOC about Gardai doing their jobs rather than the efforts put in by the individual officers to break up the violence.

Is this a similar trend in the UK, Metman?

Shamrock and a few other teams are trying their level best to reach the dizzy heights of these guys but so far they havent got the numbers. They are escorted by the public order unit just too be safe.

vote4pedro

Karlitos, I've already brought up some problems I've had with your posts in other threads and have you never responded to any, but I'd really appreciate one in this case.
As a fan of Shamrock Rovers I'm really amazed that you'd come out and say that. Firstly, the club is not referred to as "Shamrock", and just shows you really couldn't have a clue about the situation.

Anyway, what do you mean by Rovers trying to reach those dizzying heights? I can't remember a "hooligan" incident at a Rovers home game in many years. There simply isn't a hooligan problem at Rovers games, despite your ill-informed post. The fact you'd say otherwise, and even make it sound like the club is in some way trying to "reach the dizzying heights" of English clubs is amazing?

If you had any sort of a clue, you'd have known that there haven't been problems with Rovers and the police, or the public in years. Instead the number 16 bus has been frequently targetted by rival fans and stoned/bottled as it takes Rovers fans and other members of the public back to the southside.

Next time if you're going to make such a potentially damaging and defaming remark, atleast akcnowledge that you're simply specualting, rather than getting ideas above your station and protending to sound authoratative on a subject you clearly haven't got a notion about.

eroo

vote4pedro,I don't think he meant to generalise his point,of course Rover's fans are not all hooligans.Just like Rangers fans aren't ALL hooligans,but the element exists.Karlitos,it does kind of look like your saying all Rovers etc fans are hooligans,but I know that isn't what you meant!

KdjaCL

http://homepage.eircom.net/~kdja4/DSC00708.JPG

http://homepage.eircom.net/~kdja4/DSC00709.JPG

Irelands version of the riot police after the Pats Linfield game altho incident free between the fans (one of their fans got punched by one of their stewards and made front page news everywhere).

We were kept in the ground until they had got on their buses and left the area, when we got out about 30 minutes after the game these Storm troopers were between us and the few linfield fans left, brilliant policing by gardai no chance of anything happening between the group of people in 709 pic, they werent at the game but showed up after it to try get at the linfield fans, pic 708 doesnt show it but theres 4 rows of Storm Troopers in full riot gear and then some normal gardai and the dog unit at the front.

Policing of a dangerous crowd done well. crap pics camera phone


kdjac

eroo

metman wrote: »

Eroo you're right, they're now officially called the Tactical Aid Unit!

GMP is one of the few forces that maintains a level one PSU capability in line with TSG.... though Met TSG has a firearms capability.

Get rid of group and throw in unit..I like it!:D

Metman,have you ever read Andy Hailwood's 'Gun Law'?He speaks about some of his time in TAG and dealing with race riots in Manchester,along with his time in 'VO8'.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gun-Law-Fighting-Britains-Deadliest/dp/1903854407

metman

Eroo - yeah its a good read, along the lines of Good Guys Wear Black and Trojan Files. I know a guy who is ex-TAG, I think he's on TSG now.

eroo

metman wrote: »

Eroo - yeah its a good read, along the lines of Good Guys Wear Black and Trojan Files. I know a guy who is ex-TAG, I think he's on TSG now.

Yeah Good Guys Wear Black is good stuff,Trojan Files too.Did you read the follow up to Good Guys[..]?
Would you ever go for CO19 as a matter of interest?

On-topic,football hooliganism hasn't really gripped Ireland,and I dn't think it will.Minor scuffles maybe but nothing as bad as Manchester!

vote4pedro

eroo wrote: »

vote4pedro,I don't think he meant to generalise his point,of course Rover's fans are not all hooligans.Just like Rangers fans aren't ALL hooligans,but the element exists.Karlitos,it does kind of look like your saying all Rovers etc fans are hooligans,but I know that isn't what you meant!

But can you really say that element exists when there hasn't been an incident in about three years? Certaintly it isn't fair to make the type of statement that Karlitos made.

But no, football hooliganism hasn't really taken off here and it won't either. There isn't a big enough base of fans to draw a hooligan element from of any semi-major kind, what goes on on a GAA pitch would be more cause for concern.

metman

eroo wrote: »

Yeah Good Guys Wear Black is good stuff,Trojan Files too.Did you read the follow up to Good Guys[..]?
Would you ever go for CO19 as a matter of interest?

On-topic,football hooliganism hasn't really gripped Ireland,and I dn't think it will.Minor scuffles maybe but nothing as bad as Manchester!

One of the guys on my old team has just gotten onto a training course for 19. There's quite a high failure rate on the course apparently.

My career plans at the moment are a bit up in the air but I do fancy tactical firearms at some point. As Jon Anderton will no doubt tell you its not as sexy as it looks though!

eroo

metman wrote: »

One of the guys on my old team has just gotten onto a training course for 19. There's quite a high failure rate on the course apparently.

My career plans at the moment are a bit up in the air but I do fancy tactical firearms at some point. As Jon Anderton will no doubt tell you its not as sexy as it looks though!

Far from being sexy..unless guys in tactical gear floats your boat!:p

(I'll get my coat)

Eru

Right so Pedro,
What your saying in full is that as a Shamrock rovers fan you know far more about policing and incidents that take place across the country than a police officer that actually deals with the hooligans on a weekly basis.

Im trying to be decent about this but lets be honest, how the **** do you know what fans do and dont get upto before and after matches? Do you watch all the fans? have a helicopter and radio to keep in touch with various factions? Have briefings and debriefings?

I bet there were a lot of Rangers fans that didnt have a clue there was trouble in Manchester but that doesnt mean there wasnt.

If you were informed even half as much as you think you would be aware of the paper articles showing that there are more Gardai on duty at your home matches than a full Croke park!

And yes, I will single out Rovers because they are always the common denominator in the fights that take place around Dublin city centre but hell, what would I know? You say that 'fans' didnt stand on me or kick me while I was on the ground on North earl street so it must not have happened!

vote4pedro

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Right so Pedro,
What your saying in full is that as a Shamrock rovers fan you know far more about policing and incidents that take place across the country than a police officer that actually deals with the hooligans on a weekly basis.

Im trying to be decent about this but lets be honest, how the **** do you know what fans do and dont get upto before and after matches? Do you watch all the fans? have a helicopter and radio to keep in touch with various factions? Have briefings and debriefings?

Do you not understand how close knit communities of fans are? When there was trouble, I heard about it, we all did. We often knew the people involved. Shamrock Rovers has been owned and run by the fans for three seasons now, and in that time there hasn't been a hooligan incident of any kind, thanks in no small part to the people in charge know who would be involved.


And again we have another case of you showing off a rather sad sense of self-importance. You deal with hooligan related incidents every week do you? Really, you deal with these hooligans every week?

And by the way "the various factions" you talk of usually consists of a group of 10/15 scumbag kids who you have to keep an eye on. Lets not go pretending we're dealing with some sort of sophisticated terror group now, eh?
As eroo said above its mainly been minor scuffles, with a few isolated exceptions. In the main the policing of such games has been pretty good, though OTT when it comes to big Dublin derbies, and Rovers have very good relations with the local garda station. Quite why you're sensationalising it in the way you are is strange.

If you were informed even half as much as you think you would be aware of the paper articles showing that there are more Gardai on duty at your home matches than a full Croke park!

And yes, I will single out Rovers because they are always the common denominator in the fights that take place around Dublin city centre but hell, what would I know? You say that 'fans' didnt stand on me or kick me while I was on the ground on North earl street so it must not have happened!

When were you attacked or kicked on the ground by Shamrock Rovers fans?
If you were actually involved in any sort of role in this, you'd know that Rovers are no longer "the common denominator", and haven't been for some time. In fact its pretty common knowledge that the "big" ( :rolleyes: ) problem in regards hooliganism has been with Bohemians in recent years, and a buch of bebo based schooligans who generally act like little scrotes.

More Gardaí at our home matches than a full Croke Park is there? There were 1,301 people at our last home game. If you think that requires more police than 85,000, is that not a sad indictment of how you go about crowd control.
Besides, again, you're incorrect and trying to inflate your own importance/knowledge. At our last home game I counted maybe four Gardaí outside the turnstiles, three at the top of Richmond Road and two pairs of cops inside the ground.
Im quite sure there were more around, but I'd be very surprised if there were as many as 20 officers involved on the ground on match day. So, there will be 20 Gardaí on duty to watch the 70odd thousand football fans next Saturday for the game against Serbia?

Between mentioning "Shamrock", talking of hooligan incidents occuring weekly, and thinking that there is some sort of hooligan problem at Shamrock Rovers, I can't help but get the feeling you're talking out of your proverbial.

Shield

OK we've gone way off topic with this one. It's obvious the two of you have different points of view, and that's fine. There are other forums on boards to exchange your points of view on football clubs and fans. If you want to debate this further, take it to The Thunderdome. The story is now yesterday's news. Thread closed.