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    #62
    tbh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    so VV, what was your intention starting this thread? Did you want the mods to collectively hang their heads in shame, and promise to root out those we suspected may have been rude to you once? Mods are not a collective entity. I don't know any of the other mods, except Des and Will, so what should I do?

    Yes some mods are rude some of the time. They are people. People are rude, some of the time.


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    #63
    Velvet Vocals
    Registered Users Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭Velvet Vocals


    g'em wrote: »
    Someone came to the Fitness forum yesterday and made innapropriate comments directed at a poster. I warned them, politely, in thread not to do it again. Then I got called an ass clown and they were banned. I got a PM telling me I was retarded. Needless to say they are now site-banned.

    This poster was a rude eejit, but as posters go he/she/it is a minority just as you will find a minority of manner-less moderators. Seriously, what decorum and composure we have can be sorely tested, even in the most mannerly of us.

    And to reiterate, linkage?


    Well in fairness, that is a good point, and like I said before, I'm sure that mods do have to deal with some very unreasonable people and I'm sure if I had to do it my politeness would be tested to within an inch of it's life. So I do recognise that it it's difficult job and that there are times with you must be blunt. But like I said in my OP, I'm sure that there are ways in which to distinguish between someone who is "spamming" or being abusive or whatever to someone who has made a genuine mistake and act accordingly.

    In response to being asked for links/examples, like I've said before, I was merely trying to express what I felt was my overall experience. Clearly I don't want to get in to specifics or I would have done so already. I did not and do not want to get into an argument (although i should have know better) about specific times or cases.


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    #64
    Dragan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Without links the thread is useless.

    "Some Mods are....."

    "Some posters are......"

    "Some dogs say qauck....."

    Just another little bitch fest with no real substance. Like a poorly written FOX show that is destined for cancelation.

    Just because you have a voice does not always mean you need to use it. That weight off your chest now?

    Awesome.


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    #65
    Velvet Vocals
    Registered Users Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭Velvet Vocals


    tbh wrote: »
    so VV, what was your intention starting this thread?
    velvet vocals wrote:
    But really, what I was trying to convey in my OP was my general experience with dealing with "some" mods since I joined
    tbh wrote: »
    Did you want the mods to collectively hang their heads in shame, and promise to root out those we suspected may have been rude to you once? Mods are not a collective entity. I don't know any of the other mods, except Des and Will, so what should I do?
    Yes some mods are rude some of the time. They are people. People are rude, some of the time.

    No of course I don't want mods to hang their heads in shame or any other unrealistic task. I guess I was hoping that others who'd experienced the same would express them selves here in a way fitting to the title of "Feedback"
    and that this message would be taken on board by all mods. Surely no one considers themselves perfect, no one considers that they have nothing to improve so surely, if the mods are intelligent people (which from my experience they certainly seem to be) they will be able to accept the feedback in the way that it was intended, determine weather it was directed at them or not and act accordingly.
    If you are rude, it safe to say that you are aware of it (ruling out unintentional rudeness or a person being taken up wrong) ergo it's also safe to assume that you will know that this was directed towards to you. The same can be said that if you are not rude.


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    #66
    Velvet Vocals
    Registered Users Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭Velvet Vocals


    Dragan wrote: »
    Without links the thread is useless.

    "Some Mods are....."

    "Some posters are......"

    "Some dogs say qauck....."

    Just another little bitch fest with no real substance. Like a poorly written FOX show that is destined for cancellation.

    Just because you have a voice does not always mean you need to use it. That weight off your chest now?

    Awesome.

    Thanks Dragon, you've pretty much made my point for me
    Dragan wrote: »
    Without links the thread is useless.
    Please read nearly all of my previous posts where I discuss why I haven't included links and why they are irrelevant in relation to my original point.
    Dragan wrote: »
    Just another little bitch fest with no real substance.
    I certainly don't consider my point to be a "bitch fest" no do I consider my point to have no substance, I'd ask you to really consider the nature of the word Feedback and ask you self if what I was trying to convey in my posts could be considered as such.
    Dragan wrote: »
    Like a poorly written FOX show that is destined for cancelation.
    watch family guy much?
    Dragan wrote: »
    Just because you have a voice does not always mean you need to use it. That weight off your chest now?
    Without having to ad a link... he's an example of a mod being patronising and demeaning to someone who's trying to make a point in a considered and fair way in the actual feedback forum!

    Dragan wrote: »
    Awesome.
    yes that was awesome Dragan, thanks.


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    #67
    tbh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    no offense, pointless thread. If you know you are rude, then someone mentioning something about someone being rude isn't going to do anything. All threads like this do is serve as a lightning rod for the dickheads (not you, I like you, your voice is teh sexeh) who signed up specifically to cause trouble to chip in and agree. Of course mods can be rude, as I say, users can be rude, catmods can be rude, smods can be rude and admins can be rude.

    You know who else can be rude? singers. So, sort that out will ya? :p


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    #68
    Dragan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Velvet Vocals wrote: »
    Without having to ad a link... he's an example of a mod being patronising and demeaning to someone who's trying to make a point in a considered and fair way in the actual feedback forum!

    Just giving you something to work with. You really can't expect to come in and talk about how rude Mods are without getting some peoples back up.

    If a Mod made a post in Feedback saying "posters are ignorant" and made up some pale excuse about not wanting to post links there would be uproar and a good chance that he would be demodded.

    With all due to respect, in my own forum, acting as a Moderator, i will be polite as i need to be. Anywhere outside of that forum i will post as the thread content and my mood dictates.

    Much like any other poster on this board.

    And yes, big fan of Family Guy.

    And it's Dragan , not Dragon. The same way it's manners, not manors.

    Would you spell Steve as "Pete"?


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    #69
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Aw come on, guys. Don't descend into the usual "it's Feedback. Must. Be. Hostile. To. O. P. At. All. Costs." malarkey. You're too good for that crap (tbh, dragan, g'em - all nice mods :o). She's just making a general point - why shouldn't she? There's no real need for names. She just wants to communicate to some mods - a very small minority- that she doesn't feel their behaviour is acceptable. Fair enough I think. It's unfair to accuse her of expecting "sugar-coating", all mods to "hang their heads in shame" etc. It's clear she's not expecting anything of the sort.
    And to someone who said they fail to see why they should be nice, and to those who thanked them (sorry, can't be arsed getting the post). Who said anything about being nice? There's rudeness at one end of the spectrum, niceness at the other end and a vast ocean in between. I'd say "firm but civil" would be more than enough for the OP. F***'s sake, it's kinda silly to interpret what the OP's saying as "Mods! Be "nice" to everyone - even those who act the ass!"
    g'em wrote: »
    Someone came to the Fitness forum yesterday and made innapropriate comments directed at a poster. I warned them, politely, in thread not to do it again. Then I got called an ass clown and they were banned. I got a PM telling me I was retarded. Needless to say they are now site-banned.

    This poster was a rude eejit, but as posters go he/she/it is a minority just as you will find a minority of manner-less moderators. Seriously, what decorum and composure we have can be sorely tested, even in the most mannerly of us.
    But were you rude to them? I bet you weren't, because you don't operate like that. And obviously nobody is saying you should be nice to them. Plus, the OP is referring to incidents when she was being perfectly reasonable with a mod - not an obnoxious brat like the person you had to deal with - yet she still found the reception unpleasant.
    She's here six years and never causes any trouble, she's entitled to make a general comment.


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    #70
    Velvet Vocals
    Registered Users Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭Velvet Vocals


    tbh wrote: »
    no offense, pointless thread. If you know you are rude, then someone mentioning something about someone being rude isn't going to do anything. All threads like this do is serve as a lightning rod for the dickheads (not you, I like you, your voice is teh sexeh) who signed up specifically to cause trouble to chip in and agree. Of course mods can be rude, as I say, users can be rude, catmods can be rude, smods can be rude and admins can be rude.

    You know who else can be rude? singers. So, sort that out will ya? :p

    *HOW VERY DARE YOU! DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM!!!

    You're right though, singers aren't just rude, we're fu*king bitches, and diva's are even worse (of course I'm a diva!!!)
    thanks tbh.... I'm going to have to dedicate a song to you at my next gig.xxx

    You've made a very valid point and on that note, I would like to bow out of this thread. Sorry if I've caused any offense to anyone. Mods, much respect for all your hard work!!!!





    *mock outrage


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    #71
    Dragan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Dudess wrote: »
    You're too good for that crap (tbh, dragan, g'em - all nice mods :o).

    I just don't see the point in not putting names out there. If a Mod has really gotten your goat up then just say so, don't sit there and say "Mods are rude" and then not give examples. Your tarring everyone with the same brush and not actually helping anyone.

    You get what you expect and all that jazz.


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    #72
    Velvet Vocals
    Registered Users Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭Velvet Vocals


    Dudess.... I love you!!!!


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    #73
    Dragan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Velvet Vocals wrote: »
    Dudess.... I love you!!!!
    Everyone does.

    It's because she is the awesome.:D


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    #74
    Velvet Vocals
    Registered Users Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭Velvet Vocals


    Dragan wrote: »
    Just giving you something to work with. You really can't expect to come in and talk about how rude Mods are without getting some peoples back up.

    If a Mod made a post in Feedback saying "posters are ignorant" and made up some pale excuse about not wanting to post links there would be uproar and a good chance that he would be demodded.

    With all due to respect, in my own forum, acting as a Moderator, i will be polite as i need to be. Anywhere outside of that forum i will post as the thread content and my mood dictates.

    Much like any other poster on this board.

    And yes, big fan of Family Guy.

    And it's Dragan , not Dragon. The same way it's manners, not manors.

    Would you spell Steve as "Pete"?

    YAWWWWWWWNNNNNNNN

    Oh I'm sorry... was that rude?


    *now wheres the oxford dictionary... I must look up how to spell pedantic.... oh there it is, cancelation has two ll's in it DragAn


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    #75
    Dragan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Velvet Vocals wrote: »
    YAWWWWWWWNNNNNNNN

    Oh I'm sorry... was that rude?
    Not particularly, no.


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    #76
    wildsaffy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭wildsaffy


    sigh*


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    #77
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Velvet Vocals wrote: »
    Dudess.... I love you!!!!
    I like you a lot too! Would "like" be ok? Don't know if I'm ready for the "love" thing... just yet like, but give it time...
    Dragan wrote: »
    Everyone does.

    It's because she is the awesome.:D
    Aw... :o

    Although sadly, not quite "everyone" does... :(

    Nah but Dragan, I think it can be taken as red that the OP doesn't mean mods in general, just a tiny handful.


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    #78
    Kinetic^
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,249 ✭✭✭✭Kinetic^


    Velvet Vocals wrote: »
    YAWWWWWWWNNNNNNNN

    Oh I'm sorry... was that rude?


    *now wheres the oxford dictionary... I must look up how to spell pedantic.... oh there it is, cancelation has two ll's in it DragAn

    epicfailure.jpg


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    #79
    tbh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    Dudess wrote: »
    I like you a lot too! Would "like" be ok? Don't know if I'm ready for the "love" thing... just yet like, but give it time...

    Aw... :o

    Although sadly, not quite "everyone" does... :(

    .

    the ones that don't, don't count. <3


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    #80
    Dragan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Dudess wrote: »
    I like you a lot too! Would "like" be ok? Don't know if I'm ready for the "love" thing... just yet like, but give it time...

    Aw... :o

    Although sadly, not quite "everyone" does... :(

    Nah but Dragan, I think it can be taken as red that the OP doesn't mean mods in general, just a tiny handful.

    The ones who don't have obvious perceptive and cognitive defaults.

    In that case my apologies to the OP for gun jumping.


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    #81
    g'em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    I wasn't being hostile, I was just looking for sympathy because someone likened me to the rear-end of a farceur. Or maybe I'm a jester who specialises in butt-stuff. I'm confussed. But Dudess stole all the <3. I fail at life :(


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    #82
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    *pats*

    There there, I don't know what a farceur is, but it sounds lovely...


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    #83
    g'em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    Dudess wrote: »
    *pats*

    There there, I don't know what a farceur is, but it sounds lovely...
    Ask yore ma.









    I'm soooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyy. It just had to be said :o


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    #84
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Dragan wrote: »
    The ones who don't have obvious perceptive and cognitive defaults.
    I don't know what cognitive defaults are but they sound lovely...


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    #85
    Karl Hungus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭Karl Hungus


    Velvet Vocals wrote: »
    I've never "spammed" and if you think phrases like "eternally in you debt" are what constitutes manors then clearly you don't know what manors are.

    Clearly you don't either. :pac:

    On a serious note, I never even suggested that you spammed, it was an example, and if you're going to miss that so completely, then isn't that a shining example of why warnings have to be clear and understandable, and not pussy-footing around for fear of upsetting someone.
    Velvet Vocals wrote: »
    Equally if you think that when someone requires direction to be given with a degree of politeness it amounts to them looking for things to sugar-coated then you are unaware of what it means to treat people respectfully. I do of course stand to be corrected

    I think you are looking for things to be sugar coated, seeing as you directly refer to Terry's PM to rb_ie and saying that you want to be spoken to like that. But that has to be taken in the proper context of Terry and RB being friends, and probably talking to one another as those who know each other might. I would say that if every mod had to speak to a user like that, then quite a lot of users simply wouldn't get it.


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    #86
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    It's one thing to want people to stop being rude, it's another to want them to sugar-coat things. I think it's unfair to assume the OP wants things sugar-coated. Being firm but civil - that's all anyone would want. It's hardly the same as "sugar-coating".


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    #87
    Karl Hungus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭Karl Hungus


    Dudess wrote: »
    It's one thing to want people to stop being rude, it's another to want them to sugar-coat things. I think it's unfair to assume the OP wants things sugar-coated. Being firm but civil - that's all anyone would want. It's hardly the same as "sugar-coating".

    I think it's a fair assumption, especially when VV is citing Terry's PM and saying that's the way they want to be spoken to, and this section from their original post:
    Velvet Vocals wrote: »
    Would you mind... I'm not sure if you realised.... thanks... please... these are phrases that should be used more regularly.

    Like I said before, I'm not defending being rude, or being uncivil, but "Would you mind" doesn't enter into the phrasing of any warning or instruction I'd give to a user.


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    #88
    Agent Smith
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,504 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuTi9UZtPbw

    tbh...


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    #89
    The Sweeper
    Registered Users Posts: 10,658 ✭✭✭✭The Sweeper


    I blame post-modernist thinking tbh.

    For some reason the young uns these days took "You are all entitled to your opinion" and translated that into "You are all entitled to be recognised as correct whenever you voice your opinion."


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    #90
    Terry
    Registered Users Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Karl Hungus wrote: »
    I think it's a fair assumption, especially when VV is citing Terry's PM and saying that's the way they want to be spoken to, and this section from their original post:
    While not being abusive, that PM does not even closely resemble any correspondence I've had with rb_ie.

    If I do warn or ban someone, I tend to be quite blunt. I make no apologies for that.


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    #91
    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    g'em has really terrific "cognitive defaults"....


    *cough*

    DeV.


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