Manchester United Transfer Rumours/Discussion 2008/2009

Sevilla - 3 Offers Lodged for Daniel Alves

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"Sevilla claim they have received three unacceptable offers for reported Man Utd, Chelsea and Barcelona target Daniel Alves"

The Brazil international's future will be the subject of intense speculation again this summer but his Spanish club are known to be tough negotiators in the transfer market.

Spurs will also be interested in the 25-year-old given Juande Ramos connections with the Andalucian outfit, although Alves would be unlikely to give up Champions League football.

Sevilla president told Sky Sports: "We have received three offers but not one is close (to our valuation) and for that reason I haven't even entered into negotiations.

"Until a deal is reached, the player will see out his contract."

Alves has four years to run on his deal and was reportedly a £26m Barca target 12 months ago.

source: Link


Dunno if this was posted yet, but dont Chawsey already have like 6 right backs!?! Eh Tauren...trend continuing?! RO(CK)MAN...show your face!!

Unearthly

Unearthly wrote: »

We're suffering from Englands lack of qualification, instead of reading about Terry/Lampard/Rio saying it's their year, it's ronaldo speculation

Dont worry, you'll still get to read plenty of quotes from Gerrard about Next Season being "their year"!! :D

Denis Irwin

Deleted User wrote: »

Dont worry, you'll still get to read plenty of quotes from Gerrard about Next Season being "their year"!! :D

''This year will be our year''Tm

kmart6

Deleted User wrote: »

Who wears short shorts!

Every player back then;)

Gary Neville being given added incentive to come around and accept Scousers!!


I'm suprised he let them into his house in the first place knowing him!!

kmart6

He'll prob rip it up now saying it's cursed!

kmart6

kmart6 wrote: »

He'll prob rip it up now saing it's cursed!

Wouldnt suprise me! Itll eat away at him from the inside otherwise!

BazBox

Ha Ha did anyone else see on the Gary Neville link, on the right hand side it has another link for Phils house been put up for sale, apparently he has the letters P and J engraved onto the gates and doors:D

selling for around 4 million too

Mitch Connor

Deleted User wrote: »

Gary Neville being given added incentive to come around and accept Scousers!!


I'm suprised he let them into his house in the first place knowing him!!

reposting things I have already posted just to get your post count up Neil...tut tut tut.

kmart6

God I didn't realise,I retract my previous post in response to Neil's article and give it to you Tauren....lol!

Tauren

Tauren wrote: »

reposting things I have already posted just to get your post count up Neil...tut tut tut.

Didnt see it, havent read this thread today, busy studyin , I just added the things Ive stumbled on over the last few mins.

I would apologise too except for the post count remark...post counts are for sissies!! I dont take me e-persona seriosuly enough to worry about post counts!!!


Runs off to search for other articles that will help increase my post count so I can boost my e-persona and make my e-penis bigger!!:cool::pac:

Mitch Connor

Deleted User wrote: »

Didnt see it, havent read this thread today, just added the things Ive stumpbled on over the last few mins.

I would apologise too except for the post count remark...post counts are for sissies!! I dont take me e-persona seriosuly enough to worry about post counts!!!


Runs off to search for other articles that will help increase my post count so I can boost my e-persona and make my e-penis bigger!!:cool::pac:

the mere fact you acknowledge you have an e-persona is enough!:D

(PC+1!)

Mitch Connor

kmart6 wrote: »

God I didn't realise,I retract my previous post in response to Neil's article and give it to you Tauren....lol!

good stuff - I like it

(PC+2!!)

Tauren

Tauren wrote: »

the mere fact you acknowledge you have an e-persona is enough!:D

(PC+1!)

Postwhore!!


+ 1:p

kmart6

What's (PC+2)?!

PC+1:D

kmart6

kmart6 wrote: »

God I didn't realise,I retract my previous post in response to Neil's article and give it to you Tauren....lol!

Thats unfair cos u didnt see his link first u saw mine, so thank the man that brought it to your attention!!


+ 2, keeps up with e-Tauren!!:eek:

kmart6

kmart6 wrote: »

What's (PC+2)?!

PC+1:D

Polictically correct by 1 or 2, or in this case 3.........:pac::pac:










PostCount FTW!:cool:

Tauren

Tauren wrote: »

the mere fact you acknowledge you have an e-persona is enough!:D

The fact that you noticed the fact that I acknowledged it says it all, think about that!! :pac::pac:4:pac::pac:




Back to the point of this thread, all things Man Red


Saha on the move?


Only a rumour but has to be bullsh1t! Ten million, you're havin a laugh!! However, it is West Ham.....Lucas Neill will tell u, they can be taken for a ride! :pac:

kmart6

But afaik you may just have copied Tauren's in the hope that nobody would notice cause it was a few pages back!

kmart6

kmart6 wrote: »

But afaik you may just have copied Tauren's in the hope that nobody would notice cause it was a few pages back!

Actually no Im not that sad thanks.....Im going to weep!! I found it on redcafe and posted it here.

kmart6

Ah so just did what I said just from a different site;)

kmart6

kmart6 wrote: »

Ah so just did what I said just from a different site;)

Exactly! Thats fair game, red cafe is as good a source of Man Red info as you will find in fairness. As long as u can get used to the word "dipper"!!!

PS anyone know where the hell PHB is?! He hasnt been on in an age, and he wasnt around here for the biggest week for United in some time!! I miss PHB!!

kmart6

Noticed that as well,especially after someone was b1tching at the start of this thread bout how he should start it!

I wasnt. Who gives a toss who starts it? Only some geek who would thinks that starting a thread that gets a high reply rate on the internet is something of consequence (even in this case its not particularly hard either when its the Man Red superthread - oh yea, it rhymes!!) would worry about such things. E-persona FTW!


He was the most regular contributor last season, always kept the thread interesting with his insights etc. Yo PHB, if you're lurkin, get back here and start your "potential starting 11 and formations for next season" debates again!

Mitch Connor

lets all calm down and take a step back here...

kmart6

Deleted User wrote:

Man Red superthread - oh yea, it rhymes!!

Oh god Neil don't try that again!

Mitch Connor

Oh, and PHB is doing exams, according to DesF

kmart6

Well fair f*cks to him keeping off this! It was a safe haven for me during mine:)

Tauren

Tauren wrote: »

Oh, and PHB is doing exams, according to DesF

Meh, softcore!! Im doin exams, have been all week! But then again, I havent been doin very well in them...self owned!


Stupid timing of the end of a dramatic season fallin in with my exams

Luckily I planned on a repeat in September, literally wrote one exam off cos its too long and wasnt gonna get through the stuff. means a summer of study though which is poxy but I dont have United to distract me....until August!

kmart6

What the hell is with SS?!

Highlight clip after CL final-Song=Take That-Rule The World

Highlight clip after Giggs Tribute-Song=Take That-Rule The World

Me thinks they got a special offer on the rights,lol! Or else United have adopted it as the new club song:eek:

Mitch Connor

Well, with this 6+5 rule looking a little more likely, I would imagine Micah Richards has just become a much bigger target for United. I wonder will it have an effect on who else we might go for, will we be looking to over-priced Englishmen now instead of the 'first choice' players we had been looking at?

Having a look round the league I don't think there are really many player we actually would go for.

Richards in defence, covering both right back and centre back places is an obvious target.

Up front I would say Dean Ashton is the most likely Englishman to go for - he is a bit too inconsistent really, but has the physical attributes we'd be looking for.

If we were making a move for a left winger, Ashley Young would be my automatic pick, but i just don't see anyone getting him off Villa without spending a fortune, and I can't see him angling for a move at this point either.

It is certainly going to make for an interesting summer; Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea will have to completely re-think their buying strategy to cope with the 6+5 rule, if it does indeed get implemented.

EDIT: just read it wouldn't come in til the 2012/2013 season, so a good 5 years away, nothing to worry about for the moment, but will probably result in youth academies up and down the country getting raided for any English lad with even the slightest bit of talent.

IrishMike

Tauren wrote: »

It is certainly going to make for an interesting summer; Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea will have to completely re-think their buying strategy to cope with the 6+5 rule, if it does indeed get implemented.

EDIT: just read it wouldn't come in til the 2012/2013 season, so a good 5 years away, nothing to worry about for the moment, but will probably result in youth academies up and down the country getting raided for any English lad with even the slightest bit of talent.

6+5 rule would contrevene EU employment law.
No chance in hell that it will come to pass to be honest as the big 4 would
fight it all the way to the European courts and would ultimately win.

Arsenal will fight this in court to no end. And they'll probably win, its against all EU employment laws.

However if it came in now we wouldnt be in a bad spot at all. Our starting lineup in the CL Final had 6 English players.


It does give United an incentive to try to bring through the likes of Wellbeck and Campbell rather than just shipping them off for money now though doesnt it.


Also wheres Ramsey from?! Wales or Engerland?

Mitch Connor

The problem for United would be that we haven't really produced a decent talent in ages - not since the class of 95, Brown would be the only ennglish exception to that. It is possible Simpson could prove himself to be a good right back, but I don't think he will make it either. He is a little too old (only 20!!) to have not made some sort of impact. I don't expect all players to be first choice by 20 like Rooney, Ronaldo, Messi, Cesc etc, but you'd expect them to be making a name for themslves.

If the rule does come in, and of course there will be battles all the way, United will need to sort out the scouting system, which frankly has not been good enough with regards to local talent over the last number of years. Having spoken to people from Manchester that would take an interest in such things, it appears that United are very thin on the ground when it comes to scouts looking at the local underage sides. City on the other hand are ment to be extremely active in this regard - as evidenced by Richards, Johnson, Sturidge and Onohua (sp). It is rather shameful that a club with out history and traditions hasn't produced a notable name in years, while City just down the road are. I'm not saying we have a devine right to these players, not in the least, just that we should be spotting these kids first, or at least making moves for them at the same time.

A club of United's history and traditions, money and facilities, should have an army of scouts roaming the country every saturday and sunday, looking for the next talented kids to hit the sunday league. Rather then relying on grandfathers to send DVDs from Austrailia.

grames_bond

Tauren wrote: »

If the rule does come in, and of course there will be battles all the way, United will need to sort out the scouting system, which frankly has not been good enough with regards to local talent over the last number of years. Having spoken to people from Manchester that would take an interest in such things, it appears that United are very thin on the ground when it comes to scouts looking at the local underage sides. City on the other hand are ment to be extremely active in this regard - as evidenced by Richards, Johnson, Sturidge and Onohua (sp). It is rather shameful that a club with out history and traditions hasn't produced a notable name in years, while City just down the road are. I'm not saying we have a devine right to these players, not in the least, just that we should be spotting these kids first, or at least making moves for them at the same time..

let city scout the good players, let them find the best ones and then we'll take them, like we did with giggsy!!

Mitch Connor

grames_bond wrote: »

let city scout the good players, let them find the best ones and then we'll take them, like we did with giggsy!!

we didn't get it done with Richards or Sturridge though. City are putting us to shame with domestic scouting.

ROCKMAN

One of Utd's biggest problems when it come to young players , Like most of the big clubs. Is time in the modern game these young players are not giving enough time , When you are fighting for trophies on four fronts there is not many games or places to try these young players out , Ok the league cup but that is now-a-days kept to keep the full internationals in the squad happy. So unless they are something every special they don't break through instead they take the route that is coming all to common these days i.e. Out on loan to a smaller club , impress there and get signed. Which you cannot blame them as all players just want to play first team football





Ps Niel you can never have enough RB's

Mitch Connor

Manucho getting himself ready...

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=%7BB4CEE8FA%2D9A47%2D47BC%2DB069%2D3F7A2F35DB70%7D&newsid=6610497

Angola striker Manucho expects to be part of United's first team squad next season after completing a three-month loan spell at Panathinaikos.

The 25-year-old was offered a long term contract at Old Trafford last December after impressing during a trial with the club. He has spent the last few months in Greece where he scored once during eight appearances.

Although yet to obtain a work permit, Manucho remains confident things will be sorted in time for him to link with his new team-mates for pre-season.

"The club is dealing with the work-permit process and I have been asked to turn up on July 1 for pre-season," revealed the striker, who is currently on international duty.

"Since the end of the Greek league, I have been in contact with United assistant manager Carlos Queiroz and I know that things are going well.

"I am not thinking about wearing a shirt other than that of United. I am just thinking about playing in the Champions League next season."

I really want to believe that he won't be a waste of time, money and effort, but a 25year old coming from the Angolan league, you really would say the odds are if he was that good he'd have been snapped up at this stage... Fingers crossed though, what little i hva eseen of him has been promising enough - big, strong, fast, good in the air and appears to have good instincts infront of goal. Suppose he'll be worth a look at the very least.

sprinkles

I think he'll find it very hard to break into the squad at all next season, if as expected Fergie brings in another striker. Nice to have option though.

Does this mean the end of Dong? I'd love to see cambell get a few games this year too.

Spud83

sprinkles wrote: »

I think he'll find it very hard to break into the squad at all next season, if as expected Fergie brings in another striker. Nice to have option though.

Does this mean the end of Dong? I'd love to see cambell get a few games this year too.

What do mean the end of Dong? Have we ever seen the start of Dong. He will be kept around for the same reason he was purchased, to make us money in Asia.

Nalz

Dong Long gong. Manucho, ah I dunno lads. Fingers crossed.

Spud83

The good thing about Manucho is that nobody really has great expectations of him. So if he makes any little contribution he will be seen as a some kind of success.

*This is based on us getting another striker in. If he is the only new recruit in that department I think we will be pushing our luck next year.

kryogen

the voice of reason

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={B4CEE8FA-9A47-47BC-B069-3F7A2F35DB70}&newsid=6610498

SteM

alanmurphy83 wrote: »

What do mean the end of Dong? Have we ever seen the start of Dong. He will be kept around for the same reason he was purchased, to make us money in Asia.

Do you really think Dong being kept around has made United money in Asia? How many shirts would have been sold there because of him (the fake shirt capital of the world!)? How would the club's profile have been raised in China by having a Chinese player on their books that was never playing?

Don't get me wrong, I have no idea why he was bought or kept around but I always laugh when I hear that it's for financial reasons. IIRC, United payed £3mil for him (maybe I'm wrong about this), add his wages on to that and I doubt that have United have broken even on him. It's not like Real buying Beckham or anything like that.

Mitch Connor

Was discussing this on another site the other day, and one of the regs on their made this point:

We signed Dong as a promising young player, and at that stage he probably was a promising young player. Unfortunately, we had to park him at a feeder club for 3 years, and that feeder club was playing in the Belgian second division. Now, we have seen Anderlecht in the CL year after year, and getting beaten game after game. The standard of the belgian first division isn't great, so the standard of the second division is probably terrible.

basically, we parked a promising young player at a crappy club, in a crappy league and expected him to progress - it was never likely to happen unfortunately. Dong could well have fallen victim to being deprived the real chance to develop the potential he may have had due to his environment.

kmart6

I think with Dong it also has to be taken into consideration that signing him was always going to increase jersey sales in China! Was never going to become a first team regular!

sprinkles

Tauren wrote:

basically, we parked a promising young player at a crappy club, in a crappy league and expected him to progress - it was never likely to happen unfortunately. Dong could well have fallen victim to being deprived the real chance to develop the potential he may have had due to his environment.

Perhaps, or perhaps he was never going to reach the potential he showed early on in his career.

@alanmurphy83 - we saw him gain fringe status a number of times this year - he even played in the CL. My point was I hope he's sold to make room for Manucho or Cambell.

Spud83

sprinkles wrote: »

Perhaps, or perhaps he was never going to reach the potential he showed early on in his career.

@alanmurphy83 - we saw him gain fringe status a number of times this year - he even played in the CL. My point was I hope he's sold to make room for Manucho or Cambell.

Ok he came on as a sub against Roma which by all accounts was treated as a League Cup game, and made one appearance in the League Cup.

I have no fears of him getting in the way of Manucho or Cambell, Wellbeck was getting on the bench ahead of him this season. I also expect Cambell to be out on loan next year.

EDIT: Alre maybe he wasn't just signed for money, and his development got stunted in Belgium but how long a contract did we give this guy. He spent three years in Belgium and one year at Utd, so a 5 year contract means he would be gone next year, 4 year means this year unless we have actually given him a second contract.

Mitch Connor

sprinkles wrote: »

Perhaps, or perhaps he was never going to reach the potential he showed early on in his career.

Exactly, I'm sure merchandising was a factor in the decision to sign him, but he could well have been a promising young player. There are plenty of examples of young players not fulfilling their promise, and that aren't all guys from China. It turns out he is fairly crap - but oh well; things don't always work out.

Also, to really make money from the guy we would have to play him, United know this, so it would have been a consideration when we went for him originally. The United people must have thought there was some chance for him or they wouldn't have gone for him.