Liverpool Rumours And General Discussion 2008/2009

mike65

Well its unfortunate, but Rafa is almost immune to sentiment (even Fowlers return was free and served a purpose), he has made a decision and thats that. Alonso at least knows at one player at Juve (maybe more) and can re-establish himself with Momo Sissoko.

Mike.

whatawaster

staker wrote: »

any1 feel bad for alonso?? i think rafa undermined him constantly with his rotation policy. i know he was injured this season, was available for a lot of games but never got a look?

thing about Crouch is - at the start of last season he underwhelmed anytime he played unless it was as an impact sub, and now that we have found a system that seems to work (1 up with 3 behind) he's obviously going to have to play second fiddle to Torres. If he's not willing then fair enough he can leave. But not for less than 10m.

I think Villa would be a great signing at anything under 20m. He could play up on his own, or in any of the positions behind Torres. Also gives us a good 442 option. I think Zarate would be a great alternative though.

mike65

Eh?

Mike.

whatawaster

I'm genuinely starting to get excited at the prospect of at least one world class addition this summer. We'll be generating so much from sales - around 50 million probably (Alonso 17, Crouch 10, Riise 5, Carson 6, Pennant 6, Finnan 2, Guthrie 2, Voronin 2). Plus we're likely (though not guaranteed) to get 15-20 from the board, based on our euro run and tv deals. That could give us up to 70 mill to spend. Assuming Barry and Dossena come for 14 and 7 million respectively, we should still have in the region of 45-50 million left.

To spend on:
Right/Left Winger - First Choice - someone like Silva, Quaresma, Bentley. Even Kranjcar would be good imo and maybe slightly cheaper.(15-20)


Striker - Will we buy back up to Torres and retain our current formation or a top class strike partner? My hope would be for someone versatile like Villa who can play up on his own when Torres is resting or injured, can play with Torres in a 442 or can play in one of the 3 behind Torres in our current formation. Obviously we'd always find room in the team for someone of his class.

Winger/Forward - someone to cover both roles. My preference here would be Zarate at 10m or so.


Get those 3 signings right and we can challenge next season, no doubt about it.

Dont be at yourself

It'll be a shame to see Alonso go, but the quoted price is good value for us and we can hopefully improve the squad. I'll certainly be keeping an eye out for him and Momo at Juve - hopefully they can get one over on Maureen's Inter next year!

Apparently tomorrow's fish-wrappers are speculating that Kuyt has been offered as a makeweight to Villa for Barry. I wouldn't be keen on Kuyt leaving to be honest - for all his criticism, his end-of-season form was fantastic, he scores some important goals and he defends from the front.

If we really are offering him to Villa, surely it increases the likelihood of a new striker/wing-forward being brought in though.

zAbbo

Alonso was my favourite player, but really hasn't done enough to deserve a starting place, and if an player is worth 17m - it's pointless leaving him on the bench when that money could be used for another starter in a different position.

Harsh, possibly - our problem in the past was keeping players who weren't performing , I can't remember the last time we sold a player for a decent profit.

//Edit

Just to add, We need to keep a 2 striker option - certainly against some of the 'park the bus' clubs.

Mr Alan

Dont want Kuyt to go.

zing

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

Apparently tomorrow's fish-wrappers are speculating that Kuyt has been offered as a makeweight to Villa for Barry.

I'm sure all the Villa fans will love that one :rolleyes:

Dub13

Mr Alan wrote: »

Dont want Kuyt to go.

Ether do I,he has growing on me.

Chardee MacDennis

if kuyt is being offered around it leads me to believe there is definitely a big name RW in the works. we just need Crouch, Alonso, Pennant and Riise to tie up deals to go and we should see some more movement on the players coming in.

it'll be sad to see the four players go as i think they have been great servants to the club, barring Riise's last season.

Tusky

I dont think as many players will be sold as some people believe. I really cant see Carson, Riise, Finnan, Kewell, Pennant, Kuyt, Crouch, Alonso & Voronin all leaving. Thats 9 players!

IrishMike

Kuyt wont be sold, we wont get enough money for him as he is not a traditional winger
and doesnt score enough goals to be considered a striker.
He basically has a position of his own at Liverpool

As for Alonso, dont think he was impacted by Rafas rotation policy.
He was basically first choice when fit until he lost his form.
Whether thats due to the system or not playing in the same exact role as he did when
Gerrard played wide right but the new system doesnt suit him.
If we are being offered the money being said (£17m) then its very very hard to turn it down.
Barry may not be of the same quality in vision and passing terms, but he will probably
play better in the position than Alonso has over the past 2 years.
Plus their is his recent injury streak that has to be considered.

King John V

I wouldn't like to see Kuyt going. He's still more than good enough to have as support in the squad. He's more than good enough for regular off the bench appearances as a wing or to a lesser extent a striker.

missingtime

Dub13 wrote: »

Ether do I,he has growing on me.

There is a cream for that.

Karmafaerie

zAbbo wrote: »

Harsh, possibly - our problem in the past was keeping players who weren't performing , I can't remember the last time we sold a player for a decent profit.

Momo.

Bought for £5,000,00 ish.
Sold for £9,000,000 ish.

mike65

A rare event, though a decent return was got from Bellamy too I think.

Mike.

Tusky

Carson should make a good profit also.

dardoz

guys, any1 have the site bookmarked where they have the footie kits for 22 euro? cba searching back through the thread

mormank

A certain MR Owen also generated us a profit!!

ppl seem to be forgetting that Babel is more than capable of playin in all 4 of the attacking positions in the new system we are playing. to be honest i really like him playin up front on his own. he is so direct. of course torres is untouchable there and my one hope this season is that rafa does not 'rest' players for the second half of the season like he did last season. he was right that we would have a strong finish but we were simply too far behind...

Mr Alan

I've just been informed by a pretty excellent source that we definately are not in for David Villa

****.

gucci

dardoz wrote: »

guys, any1 have the site bookmarked where they have the footie kits for 22 euro? cba searching back through the thread

Think its on page 20 or so?
http://www.jomzajung.com/cart/default.asp

missingtime

Mr Alan wrote: »

I've just been informed by a pretty excellent source that we definately are not in for David Villa

****.

From the bbc gossip page:

Arsenal and Tottenham will do battle over Valencia striker David Villa, who has been made available for around £17m. (Daily Telegraph)

Porto are not allowed into the Champions League:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/7435898.stm

Anyone there we could tempt over to anfield?
Edit: Quaresma???
List of players: http://www.fcporto.pt/English/football_players.asp...
One of their forwards has scored 24 goals in 27 games

zAbbo

mormank wrote: »

A certain MR Owen also generated us a profit!!

Owen did not generate us a profit that he should have, he went for an absolute pittance...

Getting 8m for Owen, who joined Newcastle for 16m a year later was a disastrous piece of business, and the blame can lie firmly with Owen.

Mr Alan

cant see Villa going to Spurs, he'll need/want Champions League Football

Karmafaerie

zAbbo wrote: »

Harsh, possibly - our problem in the past was keeping players who weren't performing , I can't remember the last time we sold a player for a decent profit.

Momo.

Bought for £5,000,00 ish.
Sold for £9,000,000 ish.

kaimera

I'd find it somewhat depressing if we're arent linked with Villa especially at that price

pvt.joker

Momo, yeah so 4million or so profit. What wages was he paid in that time though? Doubt ye made much if anything on him. Plus the fact is he probably cost ye a fair few games through his general donkeyness

Cyrus

believe it or not they are all paid wages, thats why they are called pro fess ion al footballers

Mr Alan

kaimera wrote: »

I'd find it somewhat depressing if we're arent linked with Villa especially at that price

We aren't.

Hopefully this Shankslegend fella has gotten his wires crossed and we are actually in for Silva.

jesus_thats_gre

Read something saying that Bent will be signed from Spurs for 7 million. Also said that we will sign Barry and Bentley in an attempt to bolster the number of English players that are in the squad.

I would have no problem with us signing Bent for that price.

Tusky

Mr Alan wrote: »

We aren't.

Hopefully this Shankslegend fella has gotten his wires crossed and we are actually in for Silva.

C'mon Alan, you, nor anyone else knows for sure. You cant come out and say we aren't in for someone. Even the best sources on any forums I read are wrong at least half of the time.

Mr Alan

Source isnt from a forum, and i trust him 100%.

I want us to be in for Villa as much as anyone.

Boggles

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Read something saying that Bent will be signed from Spurs for 7 million. Also said that we will sign Barry and Bentley in an attempt to bolster the number of English players that are in the squad.

I would have no problem with us signing Bent for that price.

Liverpool have been officially linked with everyone then. :pac:

Karmafaerie

Boggles wrote: »

Liverpool have been officially linked with everyone then. :pac:

I'm signing next week.
Just have to work out the payment structure with my 5 a side team!:D

Tusky

Mr Alan wrote: »

Source isnt from a forum, and i trust him 100%.

I want us to be in for Villa as much as anyone.

Well if he is so good, apart from Dossena, who is our next signing ?

prendy

Momo, yeah so 4million or so profit. What wages was he paid in that time though? Doubt ye made much if anything on him. Plus the fact is he probably cost ye a fair few games through his general donkeyness

donkeyness...only one donkey around here by the looks of your post.:rolleyes:

Karmafaerie

Karmafaerie wrote: »

I'm signing next week.
Just have to work out the payment structure with my 5 a side team!:D

Ahem!!!

Tusky wrote: »

Well if he is so good, apart from Dossena, who is our next signing ?

Mr Alan

I didnt ask him and I aint going to..... only that Villa came up in conversation and he mentioned that we definately were not in for him.

Believe me if you want, dont if you dont want to!

But remember I am meant to be the optimistic one and you're meant to be the pessimist!

Tusky

Mr Alan wrote: »

I didnt ask him and I aint going to..... only that Villa came up in conversation and he mentioned that we definately were not in for him.

Believe me if you want, dont if you dont want to!

But remember I am meant to be the optimistic one and you're meant to be the pessimist!

So this guy knows Rafas transfer targets and you can resist asking him ? yeah right!

To be honest, I wouldnt be surprised if we werent in for him. As I said, he doesn fit into our current system. I just dont believe anyone knows anything for sure.

King John V

Karmafaerie wrote: »

I'm signing next week.
Just have to work out the payment structure with my 5 a side team!:D

Let me be the first to congratulate you. Fair play.

zing

Karmafaerie wrote: »

I'm signing next week.
Just have to work out the payment structure with my 5 a side team!:D

Have fun at Villa so - or didn't anyone tell you we were going to throw you in as part of the Barry deal

Mr Alan

LOL i love posts that make me actually laugh out loud.

Tusky, PM sent.

Chardee MacDennis

Karmafaerie wrote: »

I'm signing next week.
Just have to work out the payment structure with my 5 a side team!:D

will they take a Ukrainian Striker in exchange?

whatawaster

Mr Alan wrote: »

Source isnt from a forum, and i trust him 100%.

Doesn't change the fact that he/she/it is clearly making things up. I mean i trust my girlfriend 100% (even though she doesn't think Torres is that beautiful), but, given that she isn't Liverpool manager/CEO/owner, her transfer speculations are about as reliable as TribalFootball's.

Unless your source is Rafa, Parry, Gillet, Hicks or someone similar they are unlikely to be doing anything more than guessing.

Chardee MacDennis

whatawaster wrote: »

Doesn't change the fact that he/she/it is clearly making things up. I mean i trust my girlfriend 100% (even though she doesn't think Torres is that beautiful), but, given that she isn't Liverpool manager/CEO/owner, her transfer speculations are about as reliable as TribalFootball's.

Unless your source is Rafa, Parry, Gillet, Hicks or someone similar they are unlikely to be doing anything more than guessing.

thats just not true, if we were in for Villa at the moment there would be a lot more people that would know about it at this stage.

monkey9

Call_me_al wrote: »

thats just not true, if we were in for Villa at the moment there would be a lot more people that would know about it at this stage.

Mr Alan, for one. Rafa would have been straight on the phone to him if he were gonna sign Villa

IrishMike

monkey9 wrote: »

Mr Alan, for one. Rafa would have been straight on the phone to him if he were gonna sign Villa

I have no doubt Torres would have mentioned it to him while they spooned.

Daemonic

Gotta love the transfer window. The highs and lows of who we're in for and who we're not in for is almost as good as the highs and lows of the actual football season. :pac:

Mr Alan

whatawaster wrote: »

I mean i trust my girlfriend 100% (even though she doesn't think Torres is that beautiful)

Dump her now :cool:

zing

Daemonic wrote: »

Gotta love the transfer window. The highs and lows of who we're in for and who we're not in for is almost as good as the highs and lows of the actual football season. :pac:

If you think it's fun now just wait until the window actually opens