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Liverpool Rumours And General Discussion 2008/2009
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On the keeper thing
£2m for Itandje
:D:D
There was a rumour on Setanta on Friday that the amount was £3m.:D:D
A thing to remember is that his fee from Lens last year was undisclosed. A couple of figures seem to have been bandied about - free, £500k and some rumours of £2m. My own thinking is £500k but tis only a guess. Can't see it being a free, couldn't see it being £2m
If we did manage to make £1.5m profit, given his performances this season, it might just rank up there as one the best bits of transfer business ever. I live in hope. Might just flip if the £3m rumour is true.
However I hope at least the £2m thing is true, because it's all about the cash flow this season, and it basically means £2m cash extra to invest elsewhere. Also it's probably unexpected so in some sense even better:)
As for a replacement Number 2, there are strongish rumours that Antti Niemi might be the replacement. Seems to make a lot of sense to me.
Fulham have apparently bought Mark Schwarzer from Boro so Niemi would be surplus to requirements, with Keller and Schwarzer. Seems he is available for a fee of £350k. Seems to be a very decent experienced keeper and himself and Sami are apparently good buddies :pac::D:pac::D so they can keep each other company on the bench. Given Pepe's fitness record and age(did he play every minute of the PL this season in the end?), I'd be more than happy to sign Niemi for a year or two, especially given the cash situation at the club, this summer.
It would basically leave us up £1.5m with the goal-keeper situation covered plus Carson still to flog. Stoke and West Brom were apparently interested in taking him on loan but apparently we want to sell him at this stage. Even if we get really screwed on the deal can't see the worst possible price being less than £4m with a definate possibility of more - I think the current valuation of £6m being mentioned is pretty fair given his recent form, age and potential. Can't see us getting any more than £7m for him even in the wildest scenario though. Even so in the worst case scenario I'm pretty sure that the Villa loan fee covered what we paid for him, so in a sense it's all good:)
So what would people think of Niemi as a number 2 for next season, with Itandje gone for £2m and say Carson for £5m? I'd be well pleased with this if this is how things turned out.0 -
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Well done Nando. Great goal. As Alan Green said: "He has scored Liverpool style!"The-Rigger wrote: »G'wan the Torres!
Germany 0 - 1 Spain 0 -
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some words from our esteemed exiled colleague.mike65 wrote:I could bum El Nino but not if Mr Alan has got in there first! :pac:
A nervous game that was, I was convinced Germany would equalise in extra time. Today was a victory for football as much as Spain and Liverpool
...Mike. 0 -
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gixerfixer wrote: »Well done Nando.Made up for the guy.Had an absolute blinder tonight
I agree. He also had a blinder against the Ruskies.
Great goal tonight.0 -
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when people have as good a game as he had tonight and work as tirelessly as he does, its understandable that he gets subbed coming towards the end of a match.
thing is, at that point he's usually done enough to win the game already, like tonight
on a negative note, every ****ing club is going to be singing our Mascherano "seven nation army" tune next season after Uefa using it as their unofficial anthem
it'll be ruinned now, like "ring of fire" before it. 0 -
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leninbenjamin wrote: »arguably less because of the insane wages he'll demand to leave Barca. i'd say he might leave for as little as 10-12.
10-12:eek:....the guy was the worlds best player couple years back.unplayable.I know he's a had a average seaon gone but his leg hasnt dropped off has it 0 -
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gixerfixer wrote: »10-12:eek:....the guy was the worlds best player couple years back.unplayable.I know he's a had a average seaon gone but his leg hasnt dropped off has it
no, but he's asking something like 10 million a year to leave Barca. he's on a good contract, and even with all the sh*t that's gone on he still seems reluctant to leave so it's gonna be the moeny factor i think that takes him away. now considering his footballing worth has fallen somewhat, and considering his marketing worth has taken a serious dent in recent times a fairish wage would be 4 to 5 mil a year. over the course of his contract though whoever signs will probably be paying a 10 - 20 mil premium above his real worth just because of his name. it's still a lot of money to make the move, but because Barca are looking to offload they won't be seeing as much of it as they ordinarily might.0 -
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Long post as to the situation as to where we are at the moment as regards transfers on the attacking side.
Depending on how the other transfer dealings go in terms of sales (which will be a big factor) we could earn anywhere from £10m to £25m from sales. [the 25m would assume best prices and flogging people like Finnan, Carson, Itandje, Crouch, Guthrie and Hobbs] before adding in whatever is the actual transfer kitty i.e. money from the Yanks. So we could have in the range of
£20m (min of £10m sales plus £10m kitty) up to a sky high £50m - assumes £25m sales plus £25m transfer kitty - very unlikely though
So basically we would appear to have a min £20m with a probably most likely figure in the range of £30m to £35m.
I'm ignoring the goal-keeping and defence situation for the moment.
I'm also making some assumptions - Alonso and Crouch gone, Barry in.
On that basis of this our first choice front six would be something like
Mascherano Barry
Kuyt Gerrard Babel
Torres
with the remaining squad players
Yossi Benayoun
Jermaine Pennant
Lucas
Andriy Voronin
with the following possibilities in terms of making the step up to the first team
Krisztian Nemeth
Damien Plessis
Sebastián Leto (depending on his passport situation - i'm sure this is the main thing keeping out of the first-team squad given he's already played in the Champions League for us; don't know how long this will take to resolve)
Apart from Crouch everyone who leaves would be a defender, goalie or way down the pecking order e.g. Guthrie
While the front six looks impressive, with a lot of ability, there is a definite lack of depth there. A couple of injuries and things could look very iffy. The flexibility of Benayoun and his ability to change a game as a sub means to me it looks very unlikely he will be sold unless it's for silly money e.g. £10m plus.
My main worry is that if Torres got injured (Fowler forbid) - we would then have a choice of keeping the same formation and bringing in Voronin/ Nemeth, or changing the formation putting Babel/Kuyt up front, bringing in Pennant or Benayoun.
The next worry would be an injury to Gerrard - possibly have the option of replacing him with Benayoun or Lucas depending on formation, but this seems to be a less than ideal situation.
On the basis of this the previous interest in Milner makes more sense to me - if viewed as a younger Pennant who can play on both sides type option; but given the apparent Newcastle valuation I don't see it happening.
It would also seem to give the Keane link some credibility - this is in the sense that I can see Liverpool being interested but I cant see Spurs parting with him, given the situation with want-away Berbatov.
Looking at the Downing for £12m link in light of this I'm struggling to understand the logic of it. With Babel, Barry and Benayoun all capable of playing on the left it seems like it should be lower down the list of priorities.
One of the other players we were linked with was Bentley - I like him a lot, but I don't know if he'd fit into our system especially as Blackburn seem to be looking for £15m for him. In an ideal world I'd like to have him on the bench as an alternative to Kuyt but I think we'll probably end up with Pennant/Benayoun as our right-sided bench players.
Clearly a second-striker type would seem to make a lot of sense.
Given Keane's ability to drop deep and wide and link up play, along with his proven goal threat I can see the logic behind the link. With Keane unlikey and Arshavin and Silva seemingly being out of our price range, I think maybe we ought to consider Van der Vaart (saw somewhere he can leave next season for €1.5m and that he refused to sign a contract extension for Hamburg).
He's able to play in a variety of positions, has a solid goal-scoring record, was club captain and his performances were one of the main reasons Hamburg climbed from the relegation zone into a European place {they fell into the relegation zone when he suffered an injury} I've liked what I've seen of him but my concern would be where exactly he would fit in. However I think this would be true of anyone we bring in.
A cheap price rock bottom option would be Gudjohssen - Saw something that he was available for around £4m (don't know how true) - could well depend on the comings and going at Camp Nou. However he is 30 in September but he does have PL experience, is a decent goal-getter and I could see him fitting in to our slightly un-orthodox system. He has the experience of playing in midfield if all comes to all. If we went for someone in this price range, we would then have funds to spend on a say £10m-£15m level type more orthodox striker. £12m for Martins/Bent on the bench as a cheapsih Torres replacement option maybe?
Another possible value signing could be Javier Saviola - impressive enough record but seems not to be rated at Real Madrid. There must be some story given he has only nine starts in a year for them. Managed to maintain his one in three goal average as well. Still a youngish lad only 26. Possibly available on the very cheap and could be a bargain depending on his attitude.
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Cant see Ronaldinho ending up at Anfield. Don't know where he'll end up though. Could well see him still being at Barcelona next year - cant see many teams taking a chance on him given he's probably on well tasty wages at Barca. I think that Man City link might be true as I could see them meeting Barca's valuation and upping his wages. However I think what probably happened was his agent asked him did he want to go to Manchester for 200k a week and he said sure I'll play alongside Tevez and Rooney for that.
E'to seems likelier if he was available on the cheap (saw rumours he had issues with his knees - dont know how true) but once again could see Barca having a high value for him.
Barry for £18m is ridiculous, but just goes to show the over-valuation of English players - I think £12m would be a fair valuation but that's my opinion.
Fingers crossed we end this saga with our next bid of £15m.0 -
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