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Liverpool Rumours And General Discussion 2008/2009

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Yea i dont understand that at all. He was a bit inconsistent this season but one season does not make a bad player tbh.

    In fairness, he was not himself last season, or the season before either, occasssional spells of good consistant play, but still not near the level of his first year.

    i'm a big alonso fan btw.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭IrishMike


    zAbbo wrote: »
    Just to add my dissapointed in this thread.

    The problem is we have non-liverpool supporters, who admitteldly don't watch Liverpool that often come in an regurgiatate the same stories over and over again.

    It's extrememly difficuly to even attempt debating with someone who doesn't even know what position half the team play...

    And it's no point ignoring some people, because the last time I opened a page of 40 posts, 16 of them were ignored, while 7 of them quoted those who I ignored...

    Some people's obsession with Liverpool is only with their fans, and not the team (otherwise they'd know Lucas isn't a DMC)

    Bit sad really

    I'll probably be staying out of this thread for the next few weeks, it's no longer useful.

    +1.
    A lot of people are borderline trolling here and have been for a long time.
    If you have nothing constructive to add and find a way to relate everything
    Liverpool say or do to Man Utd can you please just stay the hell in the United
    thread?
    People like Bounty Hunter are Villa fans for example but yet make a positive
    contribution, however there are at least 5 non Liverpool fans who post
    here regularly, who are contributing absolutly nothing and destroying
    the good debates that used to happen here.
    No offence PHB but its something the mods really should take issue with imho.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Blackhorse Slim


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    In fairness, he was not himself last season, or the season before either, occasssional spells of good consistant play, but still not near the level of his first year.

    i'm a big alonso fan btw.

    I honestly think Alonso has to go. He is a top class, possibly world-class ball-playing midfielder who can pick out a long pass better than any other player I have seen. I remember seeing him destroy Spurs a couple of years ago with what John Giles called the best display of long passing he has ever seen.

    The problem is he needs time on the ball, and that's not something you get in the Premiership, especially when opposition players are aware of how much you can hurt them if they don't get tight. I think Rafa has asked him to play deeper than he would like to try to find him that space, but it hasn't really worked. A move to Italy looks ideal, the slower pace will suit him and enable him to fulfil his potential.

    Juve will be getting a good deal. If he had played a bit more in Euro 2008 we might have seen a bidding war in Spain and Italy, but it looks like that won't happen now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭IrishMike


    I honestly think Alonso has to go. He is a top class, possibly world-class ball-playing midfielder who can pick out a long pass better than any other player I have seen. I remember seeing him destroy Spurs a couple of years ago with what John Giles called the best display of long passing he has ever seen.

    In fairness the only thing that has changed in that time is that we have
    changed the system and he got a series of niggling injuries.
    Why is it not concievable that with a decent run of games and given even
    more time to gel with Mascherano he couldnt regain the form which made
    him the best CM in England?
    I for one think its maddness selling him and replacing him with Barry at a net loss.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    The problem is he needs time on the ball, and that's not something you get in the Premiership, especially when opposition players are aware of how much you can hurt them if they don't get tight. I think Rafa has asked him to play deeper than he would like to try to find him that space, but it hasn't really worked. A move to Italy looks ideal, the slower pace will suit him and enable him to fulfil his potential.

    qft. Alonso is to the modern premiership what Guardiola was to the modern la Liga. left behind.

    phenomenal talent but he's never going to actually realise it with Liverpool.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,441 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    Well imo Liverpool would be better off spending the £18 million on areas that need more addressing such as top class winger, cover for Torres, etc. Alonso has been unlucky with injuries this year and who knows with a full pre season behind him it is very possible for him to recapture the form he showed in his first season. I would have thought he deserves that chance especially when you consider how much Barry is going to cost.

    There isn't a hope in hell of winning anything without having an extremely strong central midfield.

    If anything, in recent years that has always been the one thing that seperated us from the likes of Spurs, Villa or Everton and kept us close enough to United, Chelsea and Arsenal.

    Look at the central midfield players that Chelsea now have - Deco, Lampard, Ballack, Essien, Makalele and Mikel. Do you really think that a midfield of Gerard, Masch, Lucas and Plesis is good enough to allow us to spend our money on positions that need "addressing".

    At a very minimum, we should be standing still.. Loosing a first team players from the central of midfield requires a replacement.

    Going from:

    Torres
    Babel
    Gerard
    Kuyt
    Alonso
    Masch

    To:

    Torres
    Babel
    Gerard
    Sylva
    Lucas
    Masch

    Is a step back in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    I honestly think Alonso has to go. He is a top class, possibly world-class ball-playing midfielder who can pick out a long pass better than any other player I have seen. I remember seeing him destroy Spurs a couple of years ago with what John Giles called the best display of long passing he has ever seen.

    The problem is he needs time on the ball, and that's not something you get in the Premiership, especially when opposition players are aware of how much you can hurt them if they don't get tight. I think Rafa has asked him to play deeper than he would like to try to find him that space, but it hasn't really worked. A move to Italy looks ideal, the slower pace will suit him and enable him to fulfil his potential.


    Alonso said himself that he wants to play further back and on top of the defenders as he gets older. He sees himself as some sort of sweeper in the vein of Beckenbauer and wants to model himself on that role. There was a link in the old thread about this (only Pighead could find it now though).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Blackhorse Slim


    Look at the central midfield players that Chelsea now have - Deco, Lampard, Ballack, Essien, Makalele and Mikel. Do you really think that a midfield of Gerard, Masch, Lucas and Plesis is good enough to allow us to spend our money on positions that need "addressing".


    Deco - quailty player, unproven in the prem
    Lampard - probably going
    Ballack - good player, adapted well after a poor start, good at losing finals :D
    Essien - undoubted quality, possibly the best around at what he does, but played out of position in a lot of big games last season
    Makalele - past his best
    Mikel - not good enough

    A central midfield trio of Gerrard/Masch/Barry should be able to compete with any three of them.

    I don't think Rafa will buy any wingers, not even Silva. He seems to be looking at 3 attacking players who can interchange (Torres, Babel, Kuyt, plus possibly Keane). The width will be provided by the fullbacks, and also Gerrard and Barry drifting wide with Mascherano holding in the centre.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,283 ✭✭✭gucci


    Deco - quailty player, unproven in the prem
    Lampard - probably going
    Ballack - good player, adapted well after a poor start, good at losing finals :D
    Essien - undoubted quality, possibly the best around at what he does, but played out of position in a lot of big games last season
    Makalele - past his best
    Mikel - not good enough
    Not so sure about that statement, I think he is pretty decent and usually has a major influence on any match he is brought on in. I think if Lampard leaves you will really see him flourish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭IrishMike


    Gotta agree, Mikel is quality every time i have seen him play.
    He has got a bit of everything and could become the next essien if he continues in the
    same vein as he has begun his Chelsea career.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,441 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    Deco - quailty player, unproven in the prem
    Lampard - probably going
    Ballack - good player, adapted well after a poor start, good at losing finals :D
    Essien - undoubted quality, possibly the best around at what he does, but played out of position in a lot of big games last season
    Makalele - past his best
    Mikel - not good enough

    A central midfield trio of Gerrard/Masch/Barry should be able to compete with any three of them.

    I don't think Rafa will buy any wingers, not even Silva. He seems to be looking at 3 attacking players who can interchange (Torres, Babel, Kuyt, plus possibly Keane). The width will be provided by the fullbacks, and also Gerrard and Barry drifting wide with Mascherano holding in the centre.

    I think you missed my point.

    If Alonso is sold, the money should be spent on a player of near equal ability who consistently performs at a high level and does not need time to adopt to the PL.

    My point is that suggestions that the money from Alonso's sale should be spent elsewhere are retarded.

    Barry ticks every box and should be signed if Alonso is sold. I will be sad to see Alonso go as I think he is an amazing player but I do understand why Rafa has decided to give someone else a go.

    Also, I used to think that Mikel was good enough until I make a conscrious effort to watch him play.. He is defo good enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Blackhorse Slim


    I think you missed my point.

    No - just agreeing with you. :)

    With regard to Mikel, I haven't been impressed with him overall - he is young so he could well become a top-class player, but I haven't seen it yet. I think Lucas, while not as strong and not as effective so far, has more potential.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,441 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    No - just agreeing with you. :)

    With regard to Mikel, I haven't been impressed with him overall - he is young so he could well become a top-class player, but I haven't seen it yet. I think Lucas, while not as strong and not as effective so far, has more potential.

    I hope that he does but this isn't based on any of his performances in the PL. He has done ok but he isn't anywhere near to living up to the reputation that he came to the club with.

    Mikel is playing week in and week out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    I don't think Rafa will buy any wingers, not even Silva. He seems to be looking at 3 attacking players who can interchange (Torres, Babel, Kuyt, plus possibly Keane). The width will be provided by the fullbacks, and also Gerrard and Barry drifting wide with Mascherano holding in the centre.

    nail.the.****ing.head.the.on.hit.

    although i think if we might see one more wide player come in, be it Silva,Milner,Downing or someone as Kewell is no longer at the club and one of Pennant/Benayoun is more than likely on his way too.

    but there seems to be an opinion that we need drastically improve our play from wide positions in order to close the gap, when in reality, an improved ability in the centre of the park as well as an improvment in the interchanging attack up top could do just that.

    thats without taking account our attrocious defending from set pieces last year which Rafa has identified as one of the main reasons for our challenge falling away(pelligrino could have a massive role to play in this, supposedly he was responsible for the successful implementation of our zonal marking system at his first spell with the club and had a massively positive effect on the coaching of the defenders)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,283 ✭✭✭gucci


    With regard to Mikel, I haven't been impressed with him overall - he is young so he could well become a top-class player, but I haven't seen it yet. I think Lucas, while not as strong and not as effective so far, has more potential.

    Hopefully your right, obviously Mikel has an extra season under his belt, and has so much raw physical power that he was able for the Premiership perhaps before Lucas. I thought he was criminally underused at Chelsea last season, especially in the run-in, but sure whatever, their loss!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭IrishMike


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    nail.the.****ing.head.the.on.hit.

    although i think if we might see one more wide player come in, be it Silva,Milner,Downing or someone as Kewell is no longer at the club and one of Pennant/Benayoun is more than likely on his way too.

    but there seems to be an opinion that we need drastically improve our play from wide positions in order to close the gap, when in reality, an improved ability in the centre of the park as well as an improvment in the interchanging attack up top could do just that.

    thats without taking account our attrocious defending from set pieces last year which Rafa has identified as one of the main reasons for our challenge falling away(pelligrino could have a massive role to play in this, supposedly he was responsible for the successful implementation of our zonal marking system at his first spell with the club and had a massively positive effect on the coaching of the defenders)

    Teach someone how to deliver a dead ball = 8-10 goals a season i suspect.
    Gerrard should be banned from being within 10m of the corner flag at all times!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    IrishMike wrote: »
    Teach someone how to deliver a dead ball = 8-10 goals a season i suspect

    if only we were in for someone who was a bit of a specialist at them.....oh wait ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭Im_No_Superman


    There isn't a hope in hell of winning anything without having an extremely strong central midfield.

    If anything, in recent years that has always been the one thing that seperated us from the likes of Spurs, Villa or Everton and kept us close enough to United, Chelsea and Arsenal.

    Look at the central midfield players that Chelsea now have - Deco, Lampard, Ballack, Essien, Makalele and Mikel. Do you really think that a midfield of Gerard, Masch, Lucas and Plesis is good enough to allow us to spend our money on positions that need "addressing".

    At a very minimum, we should be standing still.. Loosing a first team players from the central of midfield requires a replacement.

    Going from:

    Torres
    Babel
    Gerard
    Kuyt
    Alonso
    Masch

    To:

    Torres
    Babel
    Gerard
    Sylva
    Lucas
    Masch

    Is a step back in my opinion.
    I think you've missed my point, there is no doubt that if Alonso is sold he would need to be replaced. And if Barry is the man so be it but what Im saying is I personally wouldnt sell Alonso this season and spend the £18 million or whatever on a Silva esque player.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,904 ✭✭✭DeadSkin


    IrishMike wrote: »
    Gerrard should be banned from being within 10m of the corner flag at all times!

    Gerrard should be waiting outside the box for the clearances, we all know what he can do from 18+ yards out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭IrishMike


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    if only we were in for someone who was a bit of a specialist at them.....oh wait ;)

    Van Der Vaart?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Blackhorse Slim


    IrishMike wrote: »
    Teach someone how to deliver a dead ball = 8-10 goals a season i suspect.
    Gerrard should be banned from being within 10m of the corner flag at all times!

    Without Hyypia and Crouch, who have we got who's good in the air? Only Torres, really. Still, I agree Gerrard's deliveries have been poor. I'd like to see a few more training ground routines, the one Spain used for Torres' first goal in the Euros was a beauty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    IrishMike wrote: »
    Van Der Vaart?

    Gareth Barry?!

    his delivery is among the strongest parts of his game.

    And Gerrard is also an excellent header of the ball, edge of the box, in the box, doesnt matter, just not taking the ****ing set pieces!;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    I personally wouldnt sell Alonso this season and spend the £18 million or whatever on a Silva esque player.

    But Alonsos sale is funding Barrys purchase most likely.

    So if alonso isnt sold there is no £18m or watever we get for him lying around to be spent.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭IrishMike


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Gareth Barry?!

    his delivery is among the strongest parts of his game.

    And Gerrard is also an excellent header of the ball, edge of the box, in the box, doesnt matter, just not taking the ****ing set pieces!;)


    I know Al i was joking ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    sorry mate, hard to tell sometimes :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭Im_No_Superman


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    But Alonsos sale is funding Barrys purchase most likely.

    So if alonso isnt sold there is no £18m or watever we get for him lying around to be spent.
    Ah ok fair enough. Still doesnt change my opinion that I think the "risk" in keeping Alonso out weights the benifits of buying Barry for £18 million and selling Alonso this summer but I suppose only time will tell.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,072 ✭✭✭✭event


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Gareth Barry?!

    his delivery is among the strongest parts of his game.

    And Gerrard is also an excellent header of the ball, edge of the box, in the box, doesnt matter, just not taking the ****ing set pieces!;)

    does young not take all the corners now for villa, i think thats how he got so many assists

    aye, id let gerrard in the box for corners, he's a good header of a ball and can also shoot with good enough power without needing a massive run up

    though iv noticed most clubs have this problem, cant clear the first man with a corner


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    it should be embarrasing for any pro footballer not to clear the first man.

    i would have automatic fines who anyone who didnt if i was the manager of a club, and i mean that honestly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 759 ✭✭✭gixerfixer


    zAbbo wrote: »
    Just to add my dissapointed in this thread.

    The problem is we have non-liverpool supporters, who admitteldly don't watch Liverpool that often come in an regurgiatate the same stories over and over again.

    It's extrememly difficuly to even attempt debating with someone who doesn't even know what position half the team play...

    And it's no point ignoring some people, because the last time I opened a page of 40 posts, 16 of them were ignored, while 7 of them quoted those who I ignored...

    Some people's obsession with Liverpool is only with their fans, and not the team (otherwise they'd know Lucas isn't a DMC)

    Bit sad really

    I'll probably be staying out of this thread for the next few weeks, it's no longer useful.

    I'll be honest i joined the soccer forum not long ago and as a Liverpool supporter i had hoped for some in depth logical discussion about the club and players,manager,boardroom dramas etc....with fellow Liverpools fans but have found it very frustrating with the amount of trolls (a word i only discovered on here) that seem to come into the thread from other teams and want to talk rubbish.I hope also that this will stop when the new season starts as it kind of ruins the whole idea of the thread:(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,072 ✭✭✭✭event


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    it should be embarrasing for any pro footballer not to clear the first man.

    i would have automatic fines who anyone who didnt if i was the manager of a club, and i mean that honestly.

    if he did it two times in a row, id either change it for the next game, or every day after training, they can stay back and practise them

    like detention:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭Reganio 2


    Do people want us to buy Robbie Keane? I find it embarrasing that we are even associated with him. Keane and Torres upfront dosn't sound good at all. It would cost us about 10 mil maybe 8 to get him that money could be so easily be spent on some that can actually kick a ball. Seriously if Rafa buys Keane the tiny shread of respect I have for Rafa will be gone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,326 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    Reganio 2 wrote: »
    Do people want us to buy Robbie Keane? I find it embarrasing that we are even associated with him. Keane and Torres upfront dosn't sound good at all. It would cost us about 10 mil maybe 8 to get him that money could be so easily be spent on some that can actually kick a ball. Seriously if Rafa buys Keane the tiny shread of respect I have for Rafa will be gone.


    I don't think anyone can question Keane's performances in the Premiership, especially his time at Spurs.

    what do Liverpool fans think?

    I know nobody is going to play all the games for Liverpool next season, but i wouldn't like to see keane sitting on the bench.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Reganio 2 wrote: »
    Do people want us to buy Robbie Keane? I find it embarrasing that we are even associated with him. Keane and Torres upfront dosn't sound good at all. It would cost us about 10 mil maybe 8 to get him that money could be so easily be spent on some that can actually kick a ball. Seriously if Rafa buys Keane the tiny shread of respect I have for Rafa will be gone.

    What are you talking about? Keane is a proven PL goalscorer and offers a lot to any attacking formation. Who would you have us buy instead considering price and settling in time?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Reganio 2 wrote: »
    Do people want us to buy Robbie Keane? I find it embarrasing that we are even associated with him. Keane and Torres upfront dosn't sound good at all. It would cost us about 10 mil maybe 8 to get him that money could be so easily be spent on some that can actually kick a ball. Seriously if Rafa buys Keane the tiny shread of respect I have for Rafa will be gone.

    Though I am not too sure about Keane myself, I think you're being a bit too harsh. Say what you want about him when it comes to Ireland, but when it comes to Spurs and the PL he has reached a highly consistent level. Not to mention he has the patience and the determination that Crouch does not have (just look at how both handled their stints on the bench-one came to the fore in the face of adversity and the other simply throws his toys out of the pram).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,825 ✭✭✭Mikeyt086


    You know where you head the Keano talk first ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭ShoulderChip


    yeah congrats Mikeyt086


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭Reganio 2


    I would 100X rather we kept Crouch. Spurs players seem to get their respect boosted. Keane is not a great player, he is average, perfect for a midtable club like Spurs. He is what 28 next week or something, we could get a younger player from some far away land for cheaper. He hasn't been to bad for Spurs but that's only when he was made captain and he seemed to give it his all then when King came back and he wasn't captain he disappeared again. Unless we are going to give him the captains armband don't sign him even then I would really really think about it. I honestly am stunned that you lads think he would bring something to Liverpool.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Malice


    Mikeyt086 wrote: »
    You know where you head the Keano talk first ;)
    I can't speak for anyone else but I read it here :).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,225 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


    Reganio 2 wrote: »
    I would 100X rather we kept Crouch. Spurs players seem to get their respect boosted. Keane is not a great player, he is average, perfect for a midtable club like Spurs. He is what 28 next week or something, we could get a younger player from some far away land for cheaper. He hasn't been to bad for Spurs but that's only when he was made captain and he seemed to give it his all then when King came back and he wasn't captain he disappeared again. Unless we are going to give him the captains armband don't sign him even then I would really really think about it. I honestly am stunned that you lads think he would bring something to Liverpool.

    keane scored 30 premier league goals in 2007, any club would take that in my opinion...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,098 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Reganio 2 wrote: »
    I would 100X rather we kept Crouch. Spurs players seem to get their respect boosted. Keane is not a great player, he is average, perfect for a midtable club like Spurs. He is what 28 next week or something, we could get a younger player from some far away land for cheaper. He hasn't been to bad for Spurs but that's only when he was made captain and he seemed to give it his all then when King came back and he wasn't captain he disappeared again. Unless we are going to give him the captains armband don't sign him even then I would really really think about it. I honestly am stunned that you lads think he would bring something to Liverpool.

    ........Since he joined spurs for the 2002/2003 season, he's scored 81 goals in 158 league matches (im only lookin the league goals as thats what we're looking for). Thats slightly better then a 1 goal every 2 games in the league. And in each of those seasons he's maintained his 1 in 2 record. I dont really know what your talking about.
    keane scored 30 premier league goals in 2007, any club would take that in my opinion...

    im not too sure about that one to be honest..
    In the combined seasons of 2006/2007 and 2007/2008 he scored 26 league goals in 50 league games...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭IrishMike


    ~Rebel~ wrote: »
    ........Since he joined spurs for the 2002/2003 season, he's scored 81 goals in 158 league matches (im only lookin the league goals as thats what we're looking for). Thats slightly better then a 1 goal every 2 games in the league. And in each of those seasons he's maintained his 1 in 2 record. I dont really know what your talking about.

    To quote Mr Alan Nail.hit.on.the.head

    We are not buying villa, Keane is like the Aldi version of Villa.
    Id gladly take someone with a proven 1in2 premiership record.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    ~Rebel~ wrote: »
    ........Since he joined spurs for the 2002/2003 season, he's scored 81 goals in 158 league matches (im only lookin the league goals as thats what we're looking for). Thats slightly better then a 1 goal every 2 games in the league. And in each of those seasons he's maintained his 1 in 2 record. I dont really know what your talking about.



    im not too sure about that one to be honest..
    In the combined seasons of 2006/2007 and 2007/2008 he scored 26 league goals in 50 league games...

    So as long as every second game is away, we can use Keanes goals to win those games and Nandos to win the home ones. :P


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Jazzy


    4 4 f**kin 2 :p wahey!
    attacking free flowing football might be nice to watch. gerrard masch barry/alonso and babel in the midfield and play in a similar style to ac milan circa 2005 with their free roaming midfield (masch would obviously be defensive like gattuso, alonso/barry = pirlo, babel as Seedorf and gerrard as kaka... yes please :)
    keane would be a great foil for torres. i see alot of goals there.

    is that better then nani hargreaves carrick ronaldo ? tough to call imo. depends on if the portugeezer goes and who replaces him. could be quite exciting football. a change on rafa's usual style of course but it hasnt worked in the league yet. arsenal did very well last season with this style with less quality players (slightly and imo). they maintained a title challenge which shows it can work for us.


    still would like a proper left/right midfielder / winger tho.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,441 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    Well imo Liverpool would be better off spending the £18 million on areas that need more addressing such as top class winger

    I think you've missed my point, there is no doubt that if Alonso is sold he would need to be replaced. And if Barry is the man so be it but what Im saying is I personally wouldnt sell Alonso this season and spend the £18 million or whatever on a Silva esque player.

    Maybe I missed the point that you were trying to make but I certainly understood exactly what you did say.

    "better off spending the £18 million on areas that need more addressing"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,441 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    But Alonsos sale is funding Barrys purchase most likely.

    So if alonso isnt sold there is no £18m or watever we get for him lying around to be spent.

    Oh look, someone else seems to have missed your point..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,225 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


    this is from the times

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/tottenham/article3216692.ece
    Nobody scored more times in the Premier League in the calendar year of 2007 than Robbie. But the statistic which is even more revealing involves his number of goals away from home. It’s about 50%, and it’s a very rare footballer who performs as well in hostile stadiums as on his own ground. In my time as Spurs manager, Dimitar Berbatov didn’t come close to 50%

    i didnt read the whole thing, but i was positive it was 30, maybe thats all goals...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,308 ✭✭✭Pyjamarama


    Would only be as good as united/arsenal if Dossena is up to the standard of an Evra or Clichy. In relation to Jazzys post btw..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,098 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    this is from the times

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/tottenham/article3216692.ece



    i didnt read the whole thing, but i was positive it was 30, maybe thats all goals...

    definately not league goals anyway as he didn't even score that many over the full 2 seasons, let alone the calander year in the middle.

    In All Competitions however, over those 2 seasons he did score 42 goals in 70 appearances, a record of 1 goal every 1.6 games. Its entirely possible that ~30 of these could have fallen within a calander year, would mean poor other halves of each season though. I prefer just working off seasons anyway as thats what counts. but regardless what way one looks at it, he's consistently a 1 in 2 man.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,067 ✭✭✭✭Tusky


    I'm pretty sure its 30 goals in all comps during the calender year of 2007. Whatever way you look at his scoring record, its impressive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭rosboy


    Robbie Keane's goalscoring record:

    League
    FA Cup
    League Cup
    Europe
    Total
    Season -Games--Goals--Games--Goals--Games--Goals--Games--Goals--Games--Goals
    07-08----36
    15
    3
    2
    5
    2
    10
    4
    54
    23
    06-07----27
    11
    5
    5
    3
    1
    9
    5
    44
    22
    05-06----36
    16
    1
    0
    1
    0
    0
    0
    38
    16
    04-05----35
    11
    6
    3
    4
    3
    0
    0
    45
    17
    03-02----34
    14
    3
    1
    4
    1
    0
    0
    41
    16
    02-03----29
    13
    1
    0
    2
    0
    0
    0
    32
    13
    Total----196
    80
    19
    11
    19
    7
    19
    9
    253----107

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbie_Keane#Career_stats

    I've typed this out by hand, so if you see an mistakes let me know and I'll correct them


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