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Liverpool Rumours And General Discussion 2008/2009
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The report in today's paper of a £17m offer for Gareth Barry is inaccurate. The club have received a renewed offer from Liverpool for the player but that still falls well short of Aston Villa's evaluation, and has subsequently been rejected.
http://www.avfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page...337748,00.html
Full statement from Villa website for increased clarity - I posted this already in the Villa tread but thought it deserved a mention here. My opinion on the price is that it has gone £10m, £12m, £13m and that this one is £15m
However I do think it makes more sense to keep all of the Barry talk over there[in the Barry tread], in spite of the fact that I just stupidly here
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MementoMori wrote: »his age and the fact that I don't think he would be suited to the PL.
I think he would be perfectly suited for the PL.
He would cost a packet, as for his age, 28 so he is at his peak.
Please don't mention resale value.
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Do you honestly think either of those two points will stop people on thsi thread discussing/argueing over it? Facts and stats won't stop a hypothetical debate going here:rolleyes:
Given the flimsy nature of the rumour along with the apparent cold-hard reality of Liverpool's finances, the fact that Xavi has given no indicaton of any interest in moving plus the fact that there are a number of other players who we are much more strongly linked with, I doubt anyone any Liverpool fan would be daft enough to waste their time on this idle speculation.
In terms of how I felt when I saw this - I used it to ruin Xavi6's night sleep for the laugh (See Xavi tread for more) as opposed to bother mentioning it here, so worthless did I consider it.:):)
I'd rate it at the same pointless level of discussing a Christano Ronaldo to Liverpool rumour from one source.
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I think he would be perfectly suited for the PL.
He would cost a packet, as for his age, 28 so he is at his peak.
Please don't mention resale value.
Just to explain by post about resale value. It obviously wouldnt be as big of an issue if you were buying a 28-30 year old Xavi, Kaka, Zidane, Eto'o etc but it is an issue when you are buying someone like Barry.0 -
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missingtime wrote: »SCOOTER! BACK IN ANFIELD
hahahaha. never thought of it that way. would love to see him there0 -
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missingtime wrote: »SCOOTER! BACK IN ANFIELDSorry but, can you explain, please
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My thoughts on the Crouch plus £5m for Keane deal.
I’ve spoken before on my belief in the beauty of players plus cash. I’ve got my fingers crossed that the Crouch plus £5m cash deal goes through, cos it would be a great bit of business. Even if we have to revise it to Crouch plus £8m I think it would still be a good bit of business. Crouch plus £10m wouldn’t even be the worst case scenario either. I can see getting Keane making a lot of sense from Liverpool’s side but the situation at White Hart Lane is a lot harder to figure out given the rumours about Berbatov and Bent leaving as well.
I can see Keane giving us great options as regards our attacking situations next year. People talk about formation and where would he play. Personally I think the whole formation is a lot of hoo-ha. They say 4-3-2-1 worked for us at the end of last season and that’s true. However it doesn’t automatically follow that playing this formation going forward will bring success.
My opinion is that you pick your first eleven for a particular game on the basis of who’s fit, what players are playing well and what you expect the opposition to do. Imagine a situation where you are playing Man Utd away at Old Trafford one week and playing Stoke at home the following week. Does anyone in the world think it would make any sort of sense to play the same teams in the same formation for these two games? I can see the possibility of maybe playing the same eleven but even in this unlikely case, the Liverpool eleven would surely not be playing in the same formation. As such I think what you need is options which are massively increased by having Keane in the squad. Also I think you are doing a massive dis-service to Rafa’s tactical ability to suggest there is only one perfect formation.
My own viewpoint is that we will see the standard goal-keeper and back four for a lot of games next season, with slight alterations in the wingback/full-back position depending on the opposition. However in front of this I would expect a lot more flexibility as regards formation. Sometimes we might see a 4-1-3-2, sometimes a 4-1-4-1, other times a 4-2-3-1, other times a 4-2-2-2. This sounds like a lot of switching but in most of these cases, I would expect the front six to come from a core of eight or nine players. Saw a statistic regarding the 06/07 season I think about the number of players Benitez used in the league being something like fifth lowest. [Not 100% on this stat and cant remember where I saw it] I’m pretty sure this was at the peak of the rotation brouhaha. This would lend credence to my theory of a limited rotation of a core number of players next season which makes a lot of sense in my eyes.
Keane is a proven goal-scorer, with PL experience, a hard worker, a vice-captain at his club, and most importantly with any of our potential signings has mates at the club.:D:D:D:):):P:P He would increase out goal threat without a doubt and the stat that impressed me most was that something like 50% per cent of his goals in recent seasons have come away from WHL which is one of the only areas where Torres could have improved last season. [The other being scoring more hat-tricks for the bonus points as my fantasy football captain:D]
On the Crouch plus £5m for Keane deal, I would be extremely pleased if this went through but I can well see Spurs looking for a fair whack of cash more than £5m, even if Keane hands in a transfer request. At one end of the valuation spectrum there is Rafa’s valuation of Crouch at £15m, which values Keane at £20m. However given that the most recent offer for Crouch was Portsmouth’s offer of £7m plus £2m, you could say that that the offer of Crouch plus £5m only values Keane at £12m plus £2m in add-ons. There is also the possibility of Spurs saying Keane is worth £25m and Crouch is only worth £8m, so they want £17m cash. However Rafa’s initial opening bid of Crouch plus £5m makes this an unlikely response from Spurs, which makes the opening bid look like such a smart play.
A few weeks ago I thought £8m to £9m maybe £10m would be the max we’d get for Crouch but I think Rafa has engineered a situation where we either end up getting Keane on the cheap (due to an inflation of Crouch’s valuation in the deal) or we get Portsmouth to up their initial bid quite a bit if they are so eager to get Crouch. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - I think Rafa would make one hell of a poker player.
I can see this deal taking a bit of time to tie up but I’d be pretty optimistic that the whole thing can be handled a lot better than the whole Barry saga.0 -
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MementoMori wrote: »My thoughts on the Crouch plus £5m for Keane deal.
I’ve spoken before on my belief in the beauty of players plus cash. I’ve got my fingers crossed that the Crouch plus £5m cash deal goes through, cos it would be a great bit of business. Even if we have to revise it to Crouch plus £8m I think it would still be a good bit of business. Crouch plus £10m wouldn’t even be the worst case scenario either. I can see getting Keane making a lot of sense from Liverpool’s side but the situation at White Hart Lane is a lot harder to figure out given the rumours about Berbatov and Bent leaving as well.
I can see Keane giving us great options as regards our attacking situations next year. People talk about formation and where would he play. Personally I think the whole formation is a lot of hoo-ha. They say 4-3-2-1 worked for us at the end of last season and that’s true. However it doesn’t automatically follow that playing this formation going forward will bring success.
My opinion is that you pick your first eleven for a particular game on the basis of who’s fit, what players are playing well and what you expect the opposition to do. Imagine a situation where you are playing Man Utd away at Old Trafford one week and playing Stoke at home the following week. Does anyone in the world think it would make any sort of sense to play the same teams in the same formation for these two games? I can see the possibility of maybe playing the same eleven but even in this unlikely case, the Liverpool eleven would surely not be playing in the same formation. As such I think what you need is options which are massively increased by having Keane in the squad. Also I think you are doing a massive dis-service to Rafa’s tactical ability to suggest there is only one perfect formation.
My own viewpoint is that we will see the standard goal-keeper and back four for a lot of games next season, with slight alterations in the wingback/full-back position depending on the opposition. However in front of this I would expect a lot more flexibility as regards formation. Sometimes we might see a 4-1-3-2, sometimes a 4-1-4-1, other times a 4-2-3-1, other times a 4-2-2-2. This sounds like a lot of switching but in most of these cases, I would expect the front six to come from a core of eight or nine players. Saw a statistic regarding the 06/07 season I think about the number of players Benitez used in the league being something like fifth lowest. [Not 100% on this stat and cant remember where I saw it] I’m pretty sure this was at the peak of the rotation brouhaha. This would lend credence to my theory of a limited rotation of a core number of players next season which makes a lot of sense in my eyes.
Keane is a proven goal-scorer, with PL experience, a hard worker, a vice-captain at his club, and most importantly with any of our potential signings has mates at the club.:D:D:D:):):P:P He would increase out goal threat without a doubt and the stat that impressed me most was that something like 50% per cent of his goals in recent seasons have come away from WHL which is one of the only areas where Torres could have improved last season. [The other being scoring more hat-tricks for the bonus points as my fantasy football captain:D]
On the Crouch plus £5m for Keane deal, I would be extremely pleased if this went through but I can well see Spurs looking for a fair whack of cash more than £5m, even if Keane hands in a transfer request. At one end of the valuation spectrum there is Rafa’s valuation of Crouch at £15m, which values Keane at £20m. However given that the most recent offer for Crouch was Portsmouth’s offer of £7m plus £2m, you could say that that the offer of Crouch plus £5m only values Keane at £12m plus £2m in add-ons. There is also the possibility of Spurs saying Keane is worth £25m and Crouch is only worth £8m, so they want £17m cash. However Rafa’s initial opening bid of Crouch plus £5m makes this an unlikely response from Spurs, which makes the opening bid look like such a smart play.
A few weeks ago I thought £8m to £9m maybe £10m would be the max we’d get for Crouch but I think Rafa has engineered a situation where we either end up getting Keane on the cheap (due to an inflation of Crouch’s valuation in the deal) or we get Portsmouth to up their initial bid quite a bit if they are so eager to get Crouch. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - I think Rafa would make one hell of a poker player.
I can see this deal taking a bit of time to tie up but I’d be pretty optimistic that the whole thing can be handled a lot better than the whole Barry saga.
Probably the best post i have seen in this thread in months.
Pure quality, hope to hell everyone else tries to step up to the mark and
write insightful posts of this quality, myself included.0 -
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Republic of Ireland boss Giovanni Trapattoni says Tottenham striker Robbie Keane would benefit from joining Liverpool. (Various)
Trapattoni could land himself in hot water with Ramos for this!Spain and Liverpool striker Fernando Torres sent his English club team-mates, who were not at Euro 2008 after the national team failed to qualify, bottles of Spanish wine as he rubbed in his country's victory at the tournament. (Daily Star)
Torres scumbag
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Well, there is and he's already in our team but we're trying to sell him. Does anyone know exactly why we're selling Alonso? It can't just be because of a dip in form, does he want out himself or something?
I said back when we played Inter that i thought Rafa was seriously unimpressed with Alonso missing the match for the birth of his child, people mocked and gave out at the time, but i stand by this.Trapattoni could land himself in hot water with Ramos for this!
Torres scumbag;)
/me runs away from Mr Alan who is brandishing an axe!
Good work from both Torres and Trapattoni.
Trappatoni quote:Trapattoni said: ‘I don’t know what is happening with Liverpool at the moment but I would be very happy for him (to move). I hope it happens for him because it will be a big challenge. It would be important for him and important for us.’0 -
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MuPpItJoCkEy wrote: »So Mascherano has been named in Argentina's Olympic squad and will miss both legs of the CL qualifiers. New Pool signing Insua remains on standby for a call up too.
Wouldn't say Rafa is too pleased considering Barry isn't signed and the uncertainty over Alonso's future looms on.
The transfer window is only open 3 days and most players are on holidays.
There will be no major transfers until the end of July because any player
that has been playing in the Euros will be on holiday.
Oh and im sure Rafa realised that Mascherano would be going to the olympics.
Only worry would be he gets injured over there.
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