Liverpool Rumours And General Discussion 2008/2009

el rabitos

sweet goal just there.

we missed agger big time. he's all over the place (in a good way)

mike65

Lucas is all over the place.

Mike

jesus_thats_gre

Tusky wrote: »

LFC TV show all the pre season games.

I know



EDIT: was consused there for a second. cheers.

MementoMori

Tasty finish by Yossi

1-0 at HT

Pool well on top without being very threating. Got a very friendly feel to it.

Pancheko looked impressive for a young lad.

Dagger very impressive.

mike65

Hyypia, Deegan, Aurelio, Skrtel all on (how many defenders does Liverpool have?!) and Spearing and Flynn

Mike.

MementoMori

Gerrard andVoronin on

ButcherOfNog

Degan looked very positive, very willing to run with the ball, a bit early to get excited about him though.

gary the great

ButcherOfNog wrote: »

Degan looked very positive, very willing to run with the ball, a bit early to get excited about him though.

Ye remember us all getting a bit excited about Voronin after last years pre season!

Tusky

Rafa -

And, speaking after his side's 1-0 friendly win over Tranmere, Benitez revealed that he is looking to tie up two deals in the coming weeks.

"We are still working hard to bring in two more players," he added.

"I would hope that there would be some progress next week or very soon."

Two more players. Barry and Keane then ?

Would indicate that maybe we dont actually have a budget and can only spend what we make back from sales.

rosboy

Tusky wrote: »

Rafa -
Two more players. Barry and Keane then ?

Messi & Xavi?

raven136

looks like rafa's budget was the 6million for dossena.That is shocking for a club like us.please god let the club be sold before the deadline,be nice to sign a villa type player 2 days before the season starts;)...yep there he goes that flying pig again

Tusky

raven136 wrote: »

looks like rafa's budget was the 6million for dossena.That is shocking for a club like us.please god let the club be sold before the deadline,be nice to sign a villa type player 2 days before the season starts;)...yep there he goes that flying pig again

OUT

Riise - 4
Crouch - 11
Guthrie - 2
Le Talic(sp) - 1
Alonso - 15
Finnan - 1.5
Carson - 5
Itandje - 1
Pennant - 5

= 45.5

IN

Dossena - 6.8
Degen - free
Barry - 17
Keane/other striker - 20
Cavalieri - 3

= 46.8

If things go like this, it means we had basically have no budget and every player bought has been funded by sales.

rosboy

Tusky wrote: »

OUT

Riise - 4
Crouch - 11
Guthrie - 2
Le Talic(sp) - 1
Alonso - 15
Finnan - 1.5
Carson - 5
Itandje - 1
Pennant - 5

= 45.5

IN

Dossena - 6.8
Degen - free
Barry - 17
Keane/other striker - 20
Cavalieri - 3

= 46.8

If things go like this, it means we had basically have no budget and every player bought has been funded by sales.

Also IN:

Cavalieri: 3.5 (or 3?)
Saric 0.9

Tusky

rosboy wrote: »

Also IN:

Cavalieri: 3.5 (or 3?)
Saric 0.9

Either way, its still basically the same.

rosboy

Tusky wrote: »

Either way, its still basically the same.

Ya you're right. I thought you had left out Cavalieri from your original list......that was the main one I was adding, not Saric. As you said though, basically the same:(

gixerfixer

Tusky wrote: »

OUT

Riise - 4
Crouch - 11
Guthrie - 2
Le Talic(sp) - 1
Alonso - 15
Finnan - 1.5
Carson - 5
Itandje - 1
Pennant - 5

= 45.5

IN

Dossena - 6.8
Degen - free
Barry - 17
Keane/other striker - 20
Cavalieri - 3

= 46.8

If things go like this, it means we had basically have no budget and every player bought has been funded by sales.

Yeap.Even Portsmouth will outspend us this summer by a distance.

GBX

As Rafa would say: ... its all about the "quality" not about who spends the most. I trust Rafa will use what he has available and bring in good names.

rosboy

GBX wrote: »

As Rafa would say: ... its all about the "quality" not about who spends the most. I trust Rafa will use what he has available and bring in good names.

+1

In Rafa We Trust

MementoMori

And, speaking after his side's 1-0 friendly win over Tranmere, Benitez revealed that he is looking to tie up two deals in the coming weeks.

"We are still working hard to bring in two more players," he added.

"I would hope that there would be some progress next week or very soon."

There is always the possibility that he's not including the Barry deal in this, because it's already done, as per reports, just not announced yet?

Barry deal done, maybe Keane and winger to come.

Just wondering if Crespo is still an option on a free - especially given all of the players who look like going - our wage bill will presumaby look a lot healthier.

I can't believe that the transfer kitty would be zero. Surely the Yanks wouldn't dare?

Tusky

MementoMori wrote: »

There is always the possibility that he's not including the Barry deal in this, because it's already done, as per reports, just not announced yet?

Barry deal done, maybe Keane and winger to come.

Just wondering if Crespo is still an option on a free - especially given all of the players who look like going - our wage bill will presumaby look a lot healthier.

I can't believe that the transfer kitty would be zero. Surely the Yanks wouldn't dare?

Thats true. To be honest, after Barry, I wouldn't want any more than 2 signings. That would be a total of 6 additions to the first team.

mike65

Who cares about the budget? Ingenuity is built on poverty!

Mike.

MementoMori

mike65 wrote: »

Who cares about the budget? Ingenuity is built on poverty!

Mike.

In fairness I think Rafa has been ingenious enough this summer.

Who would have thought we'd have managed to end up with a new right-back, a new left-back along with decent looking backup keeper plus the distinct possibility of Barry and Keane at a net cost of close to zero?
Pretty ingenious going right there.

FFS If the Yanks would only chip in with a measly £20m (maybe not even), we could well afford one more quality attacking player and have pretty much have a squad well able for making a serious run on the Premiership.

mike65

Thats what I wuz saying loike. Its barely half time in the transfer window, we can only judge if the summer has been an apparent success or failure on Sept 1st. I say apparent cos we know teams will waste countless millions on poor or inappropriate players it just won't be obvious for some time.


Mike.

el rabitos

in one regard perhaps its a good thing rafa has had little cash to work with this summer. its given him the chance to clear out a few of the more limited players in the squad to raise funds.

crouch was always going to be a great option, but a run of games exposed his limitations imo. frustratingly bad with his head.

riise had to go, he'd just lost it. either motivation or ability, not sure which.

alonso, even though he's still there, is not the same player he was in his debut season. the ability is still there, no doubts there, but he just never seems to want the ****ing ball. the 2008 alonso wouldnt have taken the peno in the champions league final in 2005. its a shame, because everyone likes him.

i think pennant needs to go if a good replacement can be found, not another step sideways.

Tusky

el rabitos wrote: »

he just never seems to want the ****ing ball.

That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard.

el rabitos

Tusky wrote: »

That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard.

oh dear, another fine contribution there tusky, full of your own in dept observations

but tell us your opinion.

where do you see alonso losing it, what particular aspect of his game do you think he's having trouble with? are you happy to see him go? is rafa wrong in listening to offers?

Tusky

el rabitos wrote: »

oh dear, another fine contribution there tusky, full of your own in dept observations

but tell us your opinion.

where do you see alonso losing it, what particular aspect of his game do you think he's having trouble with? are you happy to see him go? is rafa wrong in listening to offers?

I was just talking about your point about him not wanting to the ball. His form has been inconsistent but I dont see how anyone that has watched him over the past few seasons can say that he doesn't want the ball. He ALWAYS shows for the ball.

mayordenis

how many of us are drunk right now?

well let it be known that I agree with both of you,
also doesn't seem his cavalering self all the time, but when he plays - he's the best;

gixerfixer

el rabitos wrote: »

in one regard perhaps its a good thing rafa has had little cash to work with this summer. its given him the chance to clear out a few of the more limited players in the squad to raise funds.

crouch was always going to be a great option, but a run of games exposed his limitations imo. frustratingly bad with his head.

riise had to go, he'd just lost it. either motivation or ability, not sure which.

alonso, even though he's still there, is not the same player he was in his debut season. the ability is still there, no doubts there, but he just never seems to want the ****ing ball. the 2008 alonso wouldnt have taken the peno in the champions league final in 2005. its a shame, because everyone likes him.

i think pennant needs to go if a good replacement can be found, not another step sideways.

Yeah Alonso never seems to want the ball:rolleyes:.What we need is a a player with supereb vision...like Gareth Barry.Right.Alonso is one of the best passers of the ball in world football,why wouldnt he want the ball?

el rabitos

gixerfixer wrote: »

Yeah Alonso never seems to want the ball:rolleyes:.What we need is a a player with supereb vision...like Gareth Barry.Right.Alonso is one of the best passers of the ball in world football,why wouldnt he want the ball?

i mentioned gareth barry there somewhere?

personally i dont think alonso is the same as his first season and a half or so, so many games just seem to pass him by, now weather it is because he doesnt want on the ball or just because given the team selection/tactics and players around him the game simply passes him by, i dont know.

either way. what alonso offers clearly isnt enough and wont be missed too greatly or benitez wouldnt be entertaining the thought of letting him leave

Dub13

S.O.S - "BELONG" LFC Membership Scheme and Tickets for Corporates

“Belong". The motto for Liverpool Football Club's new Membership Scheme. Well what if you already 'Belong'? Do you have to cough up £29 or £20, to continue to belong? Or can you still belong, but anyone new who wants to belong, has to pay for the privilege?

The whole idea of someone belonging to a club is fair and right. But to pay for it, where is the fairness in that? We all belong to Liverpool Football Club. From the minute you were born and had your first picture taken with a Liverpool scarf. Or from when your Dad, Mum, Aunty, Uncle, Cousin, started taking you to the match or when you watched MOTD and realised there was only one club for you. The point is, you didn't start belonging, when you paid YOUR club, a certain amount of money, a membership fee, each year. So why is Liverpool Football Club, a religion to most fans, now charging for you to 'Belong'?

The "benefits" of this new scheme mean improved access to tickets, in the form of a Ticket Exchange. What about existing fan card holders? Do we have improved access to tickets, such as Window Sales, an Improved Internet service for buying tickets online, or an improved telephone system for buying tickets? How much access do fans get to tickets via this exchange for their fee? Will those subscribing to the new Membership Scheme receive any priority over existing fan card holders? How will the PTS scheme be affected? Will they still have the same number of tickets available to them?

For your £29 membership fee, you can join the Season Ticket Waiting List. A list that up until this point was free to join. Can people still join the waiting list for free, or do you have to pay to join it? If so what about all those fans presently on the waiting list, what happens to them?

This Membership, is replacing fan cards. You can no longer buy a £3.50 fan card. So any new fans that previously weren't able to go to the match and haven't got a fan card have to pay £29 a season if they want to realistically even consider going to a game, young kids wanting to start going to games, have got to pay £20 a season. This is just for the CHANCE of a ticket, to be able to record loyalty. Existing fan card holders – well no one seems to be willing to say what exactly will happen to them. What we do know is that an S.O.S Committee Member contacted the Ticket Office about this proposed scheme a few weeks ago. We were told that fan cards would be ok for the 2008/09 season, but not for the 2009/10 season. So what happens to fan card holders then? A card that was described as being the only card you will ever need, is it now going to be rendered useless? They said so. It means everyone has to cough up to stand a chance of getting a ticket. Have they decided sensibly against this? Have they any intention of informing us?

The Club’s very own charter says this about fancards:

“The Fan Card is the only card that you will need with Liverpool Football Club”

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/club/charter.htm
See the section on fan cards. It tells you this. So why the change?

Did the club consult with supporters? If it has – and in the charter it claims to on a regular basis – then can it release the minutes of those discussions? Do you know of anyone who has taken part in them on this issue? If it hasn’t consulted with supporters, well, why not? We’re the ones who go through the ticketing rigmarole week in, week out. We’re the ones frustrated by the ticket office, by losing tickets to touts. Is it in any way arduous to actually remember simple values of customer service or to carry out surveys? The club calls upon the twelfth man when it requires it and then casts him aside from its thoughts other than as a minor irritant to be bled dry at all other times.

What about Season Ticket Holders? They currently pay a minimum of £650 per season. Do they get the same benefits of this new membership? Will the receive the discounts and the special offers?

There are so many questions that the club need to answer. So many questions that we, as fans, need answers to. We will be asking the club for these answers, a letter has been sent to Rick Parry, and to the Ticket Office Manager, asking for answers to all these questions.

The only answer we have for definite is cost. £29 for adults, £20 for children. Per season. So a family of 4 must pay £98. Per Season. Just to give themselves a chance of getting a ticket in a season. A young supporter, living in the shadows of Anfield, who might want to attend just one game, as they can't afford it regularly, now has to pay £20, just for the 'privilege' of applying for a ticket. This is even before fans have to consider the rises in ticket prices, of £3 per ticket, per game.

From a one off payment of £3.50 to £29 per season. With an estimated
250,000 people holding fan cards, that is £7,250,000 extra revenue per season.
The cynic in us, might wonder exactly where that money will be going.

This isn't like Barcelona, where they have members, who pay their money and have a say. This is pay your money, maybe get a ticket to take your seat and be happy with it.

We have also learnt today, that the Development Association, who provide tickets to fans (which they pay for) who sell pools on behalf of the club (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/tickets/devassoc/ ), are to lose their allocation of tickets. Supporters Clubs, many of whom have fans who come every week from all over the country, are to have their ticket allocations cut in half. Where will these tickets go? To Corporates. So less tickets for fans who go every week, everywhere. More tickets for those who swell the clubs coffers, and want to turn up for a “jolly good afternoon of sport”.

So we will ask the questions. We will get the answers. And we’ll help the club do what it seems to find so hard – tell supporters what is going on. But in the meantime, why don’t you ask the club. Or if the club ignore us, let’s ask the Liverpool Echo to ask questions on our behalf. Email Tony Barrett - tony.barrett@liverpoolecho.co.uk. Lets put pressure on them to ask questions to those who make these decisions, and lets pressure the club in to answering OUR questions.

Spirit Of Shankly

The Rooster

This is our new Brazilian keeper's girlfriend, Daniele Muzzi Grecco.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/laoislad/Daniele-Muzzi-Grecc_529544a.jpg

(its not pórn, but it is a tad "racy" so careful when opening)

The Rooster

And speaking of Diego, he did comfortably catch the one cross that came his way v Trannie, so that was a positive start. I don't think there's any question that he's a step up from Chuckie.

A decent positive debut from Degen. Looks to be a nice footballer, albeit I think its defensively where there's questionmarks over him.

Great to have Agger back.

Finnan not involved at all, which appears to be a clear signal that he's on his way.

Right back is a position that'll be wide open, and I imagine will be a horses for courses affair. Arbeloa, Degen, Carragher, Skrtel (was on the right side for much of the 2nd half), even Aurelio (got one good cross in with his right!), will all be options.

mike65

Possibilities, no?

Deffo possibilities regarding ms Daniele Muzzi Grecco.

Mr Alan please sit down before reading this

Torres and girlfriend have announced thier engagement

Mike.

Chardee MacDennis

el rabitos wrote: »

oh dear, another fine contribution there tusky, full of your own in dept observations

but tell us your opinion.

where do you see alonso losing it, what particular aspect of his game do you think he's having trouble with? are you happy to see him go? is rafa wrong in listening to offers?

i agree with el rabitos here to an extent, i was watching alonso's passing rate over the past season and i think he was averaging about 30 passes a game while Cesc was making about 2-3 times as many passes, i know they are not the same type of player but it is a good indication of how much Alonso gets on the ball.

i would love to compare his passing stats for his first season and last season, anyone know of a site?

rosboy

mike65 wrote: »

Possibilities, no?

Deffo possibilities regarding ms Daniele Muzzi Grecco.

Mr Alan please sit down before reading this

Torres and girlfriend have announced thier engagement

Mike.

Maybe "Girlfriend" is code for "Mr Alan". Congrats Mr Alan:p

Tusky

BastardPrince wrote: »

i agree with el rabitos here to an extent, i was watching alonso's passing rate over the past season and i think he was averaging about 30 passes a game while Cesc was making about 2-3 times as many passes, i know they are not the same type of player but it is a good indication of how much Alonso gets on the ball.

i would love to compare his passing stats for his first season and last season, anyone know of a site?

In fairness, Arsenal as a team make 2-3 times more passes than Liverpool. Its not a fair comparison.

The Rooster wrote: »

A
Right back is a position that'll be wide open, and I imagine will be a horses for courses affair. Arbeloa, Degen, Carragher, Skrtel (was on the right side for much of the 2nd half), even Aurelio (got one good cross in with his right!), will all be options.

I seriously doubt we will see Skrtel at right back this season & Carragher only played there 3 times last season.

rosboy

Some reports from football365's transfer gossip page:

Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez wants to bring Albert Riera back to the Premier League and Anfield

Benitez is also set to move for Mallorca's £5m-rated star Borja Valero

Stoke are set to buy Scott Carson from Liverpool for £4m

Blackburn target Jermaine Pennant has been given the green light to leave Liverpool

They don't say which papers/site they got these rumours from, so no way of judging the accuracy.

machiavellianme

4m for Carson seems a little low, although Stoke probably havent got much more. Who are the other "top-flight" side in for him?

GBX

yesterday on the BBC gossip page they had it being West Brom and Hull:

Newly promoted West Brom and Hull are locked in a battle to sign Liverpool goalkeeper Scott Carson. (Daily Mail)

rosboy

I think there was also speculation that Boro might be in for him too, with Downing possibly going in the opposite direction

rosboy

rosboy wrote: »

Blackburn target Jermaine Pennant has been given the green light to leave Liverpool

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1034459/Blackburn-manager-Ince-wants-Pennant-Bentley-role-Rovers.html

scruff321

be could to ship penant out,not that bad a player but he ain't top 4 standard,hopefully the sh*t/mediocre players will also get the boot!

Mr Alan

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_3814762,00.html

Sky Sports wrote:

Sergio Aguero's agent has revealed that either Arsenal, Liverpool or Manchester United are preparing a bid for his client.

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something involving Alonso going the other way perhaps?

---

Mascherano--Barry

---

-Aguero----Gerrard

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Babel--

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Torres

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on my word!

Tusky

Mr Alan wrote: »

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_3814762,00.html



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something involving Alonso going the other way perhaps?

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Mascherano--Barry

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-Aguero----Gerrard

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Babel--

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Torres

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on my word!

I wouldnt get too excited, I'm 99% certain he was implying it was Manchester Utd who were interested. The quote was something like "An English club is interested. They are one of the best teams in Europe (I'm pretty sure hes talking about the champions league final here)...and its not Chelsea". (i.e its Man U)

Mr Alan

Tusky wrote: »

I wouldnt get too excited, I'm 99% certain he was implying it was Manchester Utd who were interested. The quote was something like "An English club is interested. They are one of the best teams in Europe (I'm pretty sure hes talking about the champions league final here)...and its not Chelsea". (i.e its Man U)

I'd be pretty sure its not Utd tbh.

He is not what they need at all.

They are in the market for an experienced striker who can lead the line on his own. This is wat Ferguson himself has said. Ferguson has also said that they will only buy one player this window. Most people presume its Berbatov with a bid supposedly been made

With Alonso deal with Juve looking dead in the water-he could be used as part of an deal for Aguero (15m-20m+Xabi).

our previous interest in the player, us being in the market for exactly that position/type of player,him already knowing Torres, and our recent excellent CL record(top seed in this years CL), makes me think its not way too optimistic to think he could refering to us.

Tusky

Mr Alan wrote: »

I'd be pretty sure its not Utd tbh.

He is not what they need at all.

They are in the market for an experienced striker who can lead the line on his own. This is wat Ferguson himself has said. Ferguson has also said that they will only buy one player this window. Most people presume its Berbatov with a bid supposedly been made

With Alonso deal with Juve looking dead in the water-he could be used as part of an deal for Aguero (15m-20m+Xabi).

our previous interest in the player, us being in the market for exactly that position/type of player,him already knowing Torres, and our recent excellent CL record(top seed in this years CL), makes me think its not way too optimistic to think he could refering to us.

First of all, I dont think Athletico would sell. However, admittedly he would be perfect for us and not what Utd need as hes too similar to Rooney & Tevez. All I'm saying is I dont think the agent was referring to us.

“All I can tell you is that it is one of the best teams in Europe and it's not Chelsea.”

That to me, is pretty obvious. Hes talking about Utd. Why would he mention Chelsea if he wasnt talking about the European finalists ?

Mr Alan

because Chelsea were rumoured to have put a bid in for him earlier in the summer.

eZe^

Chelsea bid around 55 million euro for him and it got rejected... They matched his buyout clause, but he refused to leave.

colly10

I think the get out clause in his contract is €55m, that rules out both us and Arsenal