For the politically correct (challenged) when do we say 'stop'

pigeonbutler

darkman2 wrote: »

When did I say Blacks commit more crimes then Whites? Never.

Lets get one thing straight though - I hate when politically correct types (like you) bring up the Irish going to America - Firstly America is a vast country and was never going to be overwhelmed by the handful coming off this Island. Secondly America felt it had a moral duty to take us in (considering they once felt British imperialism) even though most of them were Protestant. Comparision is simply void in this argument. We are a tiny country. We cannot sustain mass immigration. However I feel, despite our warnings over the years, the damage is already done. It is not this generation but the second generation of immigrant children that stir things up. Wait and see. Its going to happen exactly like in France.

I just thought I'd debunk one of the many holes in your ignorant argument.

Ireland's population density (people per sq. km) is 146th of the 241 countries listed. Greenland is the lowest FYI. Let's do some comparisons:

Country Density (pop per sq.km)

Ireland 59

UK 246
France 110
Italy 193
Germany 232

India 336
China 138

So Ireland could quadruple it's population and still be less packed than the UK.

QED.

Lirange

Pigeonbutler, congratulations that's Numberwang!!

briantwin

Lirange wrote: »

Pigeonbutler, congratulations that's Numberwang!!

HAHAHA! great stuff

JangoFett

Those stats for person per square km...does that factor in land you can't live on?

Bogs? The Burren? Mountains? Forests?
Even farmers land that they aren't selling?

Just wondering if that figure is really accurate

Eoin

Mahatma coat wrote: »

well think about it, how would the world have faired if Che Geuvarra had decided that revolution was all too hard and he'd be better off in a semiD out in Swords, or if Ghandi had decided that the Govt of India were persecuting him a bit much and he'd be better off just keepin the head down and draw the dole in Leitrim.

people who claim political asylum are deserting their country when the goin gets tough, theres no place for deserters in my book

Ironically, people would be fleeing because of the likes of Che Guevara who had hundreds of people executed.

diddley

Does anyone know details of this recent story that between 40,000- 100,000 Poles have returned to Poland? Any truth in this? :S

Although I am wary of any immigrant figures since the government told us in 2007 that there were 65,000 Poles in the country. I think they might have only recorded Dublins Poles. :P

humberklog

Didn't we have a population of over 8million pre-famine?
Plenty of room for all. The more the merrier. God knows our gene pool needs the expansion reading some of these posts.

Blisterman

Plus farming methods have improved since the famine, meaning you can feed more people on less land.

Ireland is nowhere near full to capacity. That's a stupid argument.

ojewriej

diddley wrote: »

Does anyone know details of this recent story that between 40,000- 100,000 Poles have returned to Poland? Any truth in this? :S
Although I am wary of any immigrant figures since the government told us in 2007 that there were 65,000 Poles in the country. I think they might have only recorded Dublins Poles. :P

Due to the free movement, it's hard to count people from the EU countries. I think the figure of 65000 was based on the Census, other sources said that the number was closer to 200.000, based on the PPS numbers issued. The truth was probably somewhere in the middle, as usual. That was at the peak of the influx, about 2 years ago.

But there is definitely less poles around now, although I can't give you any numbers, for reasons outlined above. I don't really meet as many poles on the streets as I used to and we definitely get much less applications from poles where I work. I was also talking to the owner of a polish shop, and based on the loss of business, he is convinced that polish diaspora here at least halved. One or two polish shops which were very popular not long ago, have now closed down.

Most of the poles were/are here purely for financial reasons, and it's not really worth it anymore to come here for the money.

StormWarrior

Dudess wrote: »

And what do you think is gonna happen?

In Stockholm, Muslim men walk the streets wearing T-Shirts that say "2030: Then we take over."

I guess the situation in Ireland is not so bad from what you're saying, but take a look at the rest of Europe. It will be Muslim in 20 years and then we will be forced to wear burkhas. The laws of Britain are already being changed, Sharia law already operates in family courts, the police in areas with high immigration already return female runaways to their families to be forced into arranged marriages and other situations. It's getting worse every day. It is not racist to expect immigrants to live our way of life if they come here. If we moved to Saudi Arabia, you can bet we would be forced to live their way. The politically correct liberals are going to destroy Europe.

MIN2511

StormWarrior wrote: »

In Stockholm, Muslim men walk the streets wearing T-Shirts that say "2030: Then we take over."

I guess the situation in Ireland is not so bad from what you're saying, but take a look at the rest of Europe. It will be Muslim in 20 years and then we will be forced to wear burkhas. The laws of Britain are already being changed, Sharia law already operates in family courts, the police in areas with high immigration already return female runaways to their families to be forced into arranged marriages and other situations. It's getting worse every day. It is not racist to expect immigrants to live our way of life if they come here. If we moved to Saudi Arabia, you can bet we would be forced to live their way. The politically correct liberals are going to destroy Europe.

Now that is disturbing, personally that shouldn't be condoned. I also think alowing policemen wear turbans e.t.c. is wrong. They are in a force and uniform should be ahered to, when you go to Rome you do what the Romans do. As a foreigner in Ireland, i have adapted to the culture and consider it home, i still have values of my home country in me but i do not impose it on others. If i worked in the public service i would expect to be treated as everyone and the idea that they would be allowed to wear turbans is wrong.
Muslims are opressors and dictators, my mother's family is muslim and she was muslim. She was forced to marry a man older than her father, once she witnessed a man's hand chopped off because he stole and when a woman commited adultery she was whipped unconsiously... These things bother me, sometimes i think the muslim population in France is quite disturbing.

tallaght01

Why shouldn't we allow a cop wear a turban?

We wouldn't stop a bangarda wearing a jamrag!

I think the answer to the OPs question about "when do we say stop?" is when the majority of people want a party in power that will place hardcore restrictions on the rights of immigrants.

I don't agree with widespread restrictions, but we live in a democracy and there are elections every few years.

The BNP got voted into local councils in the UK when I was there, based on the immigration issue. So, speak to your politician, rather than ranting on boards about a t-shirt you heard about someone wearing.

Dudess

I'm finding all this talk of a Muslim "takeover" very funny. How do you propose this takeover will come into effect?

Crann na Beatha

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Caoimhín

Dudess wrote: »

I'm finding all this talk of a Muslim "takeover" very funny. How do you propose this takeover will come into effect?

The sneaky Romas are an advanced fifth column.

BurnsCarpenter

Dudess wrote: »

I'm finding all this talk of a Muslim "takeover" very funny. How do you propose this takeover will come into effect?

they'll explode us into submission

tallaght01

caoibhin wrote: »

The sneaky Romas are an advanced fifth column.

:pac: LOL :pac:

Chips Lovell

StormWarrior wrote: »

In Stockholm, Muslim men walk the streets wearing T-Shirts that say "2030: Then we take over."

I've seen this claim bandied around on various blogs. Sometimes its Stockholm, sometimes Amsterdam. I've yet to see a picture yet of anyone wearing the t-shirt though.

StormWarrior wrote: »

I guess the situation in Ireland is not so bad from what you're saying, but take a look at the rest of Europe.It will be Muslim in 20 years and then we will be forced to wear burkhas.

Given the fact that most European countries have Muslim populations of less than 5 per cent and the Netherlands and France have populations of less than 10 per cent, I'd love to see the sums you've done to come up with this figure. Do you think they're going to start cloning themselves or something.

StormWarrior wrote: »

The laws of Britain are already being changed, Sharia law already operates in family courts..

Sharia law has no legal basis in Britain. Why do you think there was such an uproar when the archbishop of Canterbury suggested that some aspects of Sharia should be incorporated?

wes

Dudess wrote: »

I'm finding all this talk of a Muslim "takeover" very funny. How do you propose this takeover will come into effect?

Well, our plan is to currently use magic to increase our population.

Then we will unleash our might Jinns, muahahahhah .

Caoimhín

wes wrote: »

Well, our plan is to currently use magic to increase our population.

Then we will unleash our might Jinns, muahahahhah .

Ya sneaky buggers. And come clean about eating children...;)

RealEstateKing

This is true. In some parts of France non-muslim native french women don't dare step outside their houses without a burkha and are raped by Muslim men because the Koran says Muslim men may rape non-Muslim women as their spoils of war. One french woman who experienced this wrote a book about it but I can't remember her name now.

You should get a job writing for the Daily Mail, I hear they're currently hiring guys who can invent paranoid conspiracies like this on little or no evidence.

Seriously man. You need to get laid, really, really, badly. I can practically hear the toxic male frustration dripping from every word that you type.

SimpleSam06

The Australian beach riots were caused by Arab youths yelling at beach girls and occasionally attacking them for wearing bikinis. One such incident got out of hand and a crowd of angry Aussies went rampaging around knocking the crap out of everything even vaguely middle eastern. The Islamic world is offended by naked skin, which should highlight just how unnatural their beliefs are.

This is not really a concern for me, though, since I can count the number of nuclear armed muslim nations on the fingers of one foot.

However talk of mass Islamic infiltration is batshit insane, bluntly.

Dudess

RealEstateKing wrote: »

You should get a job writing for the Daily Mail, I hear they're currently hiring guys who can invent paranoid conspiracies like this on little or no evidence.

Seriously man. You need to get laid, really, really, badly. I can practically hear the toxic male frustration dripping from every word that you type.

That poster is a girl

wes

caoibhin wrote: »

Ya sneaky buggers. And come clean about eating children...;)

Damn, but there so damned tasty!!!!

thelordofcheese

el tonto wrote: »

Sharia law has no legal basis in Britain.

Not technically true, Sharia law covers a wide range of things, from punishments for crimes (where alot of the most iconic and negative images of sharia law come from) to how to conduct business.
Under British law it is perfectly legal for a civil matter, such as a business disagreement or the terms of a divorce to be arbitrated by a third party provided both parties involved in the dispute agree to it.
So, in effect, if two people agree to it a civil matter can be settled legally under sharia law.

Which is what the archbishop of Canterbury was talking about when he spoke of incorporating aspectes of sharia law into society.
Infact there is a jewish equivilant of this kind of third party arbitration, called the Beth Din. It's been in operation in england for ages and nobody has batted an eyelid.

OPENROAD

tallaght01 wrote: »

The BNP got voted into local councils in the UK when I was there, based on the immigration issue. So, speak to your politician, rather than ranting on boards about a t-shirt you heard about someone wearing.

Though they have very little support compared to similare parties in other parts of Europe.

StormWarrior

el tonto wrote: »

I've seen this claim bandied around on various blogs. Sometimes its Stockholm, sometimes Amsterdam. I've yet to see a picture yet of anyone wearing the t-shirt though

I used to live in Stockholm and have seen it with my own eyes.

el tonto wrote: »

Sharia law has no legal basis in Britain. Why do you think there was such an uproar when the archbishop of Canterbury suggested that some aspects of Sharia should be incorporated?

Sharia law is in operation in family courts in Britain already. Is it really so hard to fathom that one day it may be in operation in criminal courts too?

RealEstateKing wrote: »

You should get a job writing for the Daily Mail, I hear they're currently hiring guys who can invent paranoid conspiracies like this on little or no evidence.

Seriously man. You need to get laid, really, really, badly. I can practically hear the toxic male frustration dripping from every word that you type.

Firstly, I have remembered the woman's name, Samira Bellil, you can google if you don't believe. Secondly, nice theory but I'm female.

thelordofcheese wrote: »

there is a jewish equivilant of this kind of third party arbitration, called the Beth Din. It's been in operation in england for ages and nobody has batted an eyelid.

Yep but there are no Jews who want to see amputation for theft and stoning for adultery made law.

I think both the liberals and right wingers are going too far. There should be some balance. Obviously, immigration is needed when there is a skills shortage or the birthrate is too low to support the elderly, but seriously, is it asking too much for immigrants to adapt to the western way of life and not try and impose their own laws on us? Maybe it's not happening in Ireland yet but it's a slippery slope.

thelordofcheese

StormWarrior wrote: »

Yep but there are no Jews who want to see amputation for theft and stoning for adultery made law.

I'm sure there are if you look hard enough.
Also, i don't see how using shaira law for civil matters as is done with the beth Din is a bad thing, or how it's an automatic leap to an introduction of full sharia law.

StormWarrior wrote: »

I think both the liberals and right wingers are going too far. There should be some balance. Obviously, immigration is needed when there is a skills shortage or the birthrate is too low to support the elderly, but seriously, is it asking too much for immigrants to adapt to the western way of life and not try and impose their own laws on us? Maybe it's not happening in Ireland yet but it's a slippery slope.

the slippery slope is a lazy logical fallacy, you'll have to try harder than that to convince anyone that your vison of future is anything more than your irrational fear run wild.

ART6

More than one Moslem leader has said that their mission is to impose Sharia law on the West, arguing that the Quaran demands it (although to the best of my knowledge it doesn't). However, that is not the point. I have travelled to and worked briefly in fundamentalist Moslem countries (Iran, Saudi, etc) and in every case I respected their customs and laws and I conformed to them. I didn't make a particular study of them since I was basically an itinerant. I didn't convert to Islam, but neither did I demand to be allowed to build a Catholic church there. While I didn't break any of their laws, if I had done it wouldn't have occurred to me to demand that I be tried according to Christian laws.

So. I don't have a problem with people coming to Ireland or anywhere else for whatever reason they choose, provided that the country they choose has a need for them as productive and loyal citizens, and PROVIDED they are prepared to conform to that country's laws and customs. If, however, they demand that their customs, laws, and practises like stoning girls who have been raped, are available to them, then my reaction is that I would expect in their countries if I wouldn't conform. GO HOME!

Dyr

Come back Poles, don't leave us alone with the muslims

gixerfixer

It's already to late.Im out of work 8 months now and at first i sent away maybe an average of 6 C.V.'s a week and got an average of 2 interviews from that same period.Now i send away my C.V. maybe the same amount and i havent had an interview in 2 months:mad:. Never thought id see the day but it's looking like we have disowned our own in the race for the bottom.Seriously considering going back to New York as i worked as a bartender there in for 5 years in the 90's and it's looking more and more likely now that many young Irish familys are thinking along those lines also:(

rowlandbrowner

What jobs have you applied for and what’s your skills/qualifications? If you’re applying for low-skilled jobs and are being undercut by somebody who will work for less than you, that’s just a sad fact of capitalism.

the_syco

rowlandbrowner wrote: »

What jobs have you applied for and what’s your skills/qualifications? If you’re applying for low-skilled jobs and are being undercut by somebody who will work for less than you, that’s just a sad fact of capitalism.

Agreed. Also, gixerfixer, would you mind getting paid less than what you should be getting? Some places have been known to offer less, and the chinese at the time took it, as it was better than nothing. I have no doubt that the new foreigners are getting the same "deal" by some shops.

=-=

As for Sharia law being accepted if both parties accept it, surely then a duel at noon, using automatic pistols should also be accepted to solve agreements, if both parties accepted it? As extreme as, say, chopping ones hand off for stealing. Well, less extreme.

rowlandbrowner

gixerfixer wrote: »

Seriously considering going back to New York as i worked as a bartender there in for 5 years in the 90's and it's looking more and more likely now that many young Irish familys are thinking along those lines also:(

So your going to emigrate to America to take fill a job that could potentially go to an American citizen?
Do you not see the blatant hypocrisy in your post?

gixerfixer wrote: »

it's looking more and more likely now that many young Irish familys are thinking along those lines also

thats just nonsense, I've seen nothing to suggest this.

Blisterman

gixerfixer wrote: »

It's already to late.Im out of work 8 months now and at first i sent away maybe an average of 6 C.V.'s a week and got an average of 2 interviews from that same period.Now i send away my C.V. maybe the same amount and i havent had an interview in 2 months:mad:. Never thought id see the day but it's looking like we have disowned our own in the race for the bottom.Seriously considering going back to New York as i worked as a bartender there in for 5 years in the 90's and it's looking more and more likely now that many young Irish familys are thinking along those lines also:(

Sending six CVs a week?
Doesn't sound like you're trying hard enough. Finding a job should be a full time occupation.

Dudess

gixerfixer wrote: »

it's looking like we have disowned our own in the race for the bottom.(

Yep, sure "we" have.

RealEstateKing

does your failure to get a job have to do with foreigners? Pray tell.

Tha Gopher

RealEstateKing wrote: »

does your failure to get a job have to do with foreigners? Pray tell.

Mother of jaysus :rolleyes:

Why dont you just give him your job if everything is all cool?

RealEstateKing

Mother of jaysus

Why dont you just give him your job if everything is all cool?

Sorry?

Its that supposed to amount to an arguement of some sort?

Tha Gopher

RealEstateKing wrote: »

Sorry?

Its that supposed to amount to an arguement of some sort?

You asked how does the presence of foreigners affect his unemployment status.


Im not going to bother even justifying that one with a response. Its one sentence trollery of no substance.

RealEstateKing

the link between your statement and what preceeded it was invisible to all but yourself.

If either of us is to be accused of 'one-line-trolling' , it's you.

So we've established you believe there is a link between the OPs inability to find work and the presence of foreigners in Ireland.

Ok. So let's hear some proof of this.

Caverna

Here's a scenario:


Imagine you left Ireland because it was dirt poor.
Imagine Mexico was prospering and you arrived in Mexico with no Spanish and you were lost in this new country.
Imagine you came upon other Irish people in the same boat as you who had left Ireland looking for a better life.

Now are you honestly telling me that you would turn the other way and avoid the Irish and attempt to get by alone, in a strange new country with a brand new language to learn and a job to find.

You are in the minority if you say you would avoid the Irish.

Irish people complaining about immigration is illogical. Millions have fled, left, emigrated from Ireland and we too encountered racism, in the USA for example.

On top of this, from a basic logistical point of view, look at Netherlands.
1/4 our size and 5x times our population and they're still having a great time

ninebeanrows

When we say stop?

What we do is listen to what could be the greatest human since the one, Barack.. he is the man...... YES WE FUKING can..

Man we can:D

ninebeanrows

darkman2 wrote: »

So.........when stop the immigration? I just wonder because certain communities in Dublin are now foreign - this is known because of skin colour. Not because of the Poles etc....they are white like us so tend to go unnoticed. So for the PC crowd - when do we stop immigration? When it is too late?....presumably. I know the PC crowd is loaded with middle income twats but you will pay aswell. Mark my words - a racial divide is coming here and you must be prepared. Of course you will not see it until after the weakest (working class) sees it. By then it is too late. So how will we deal with this issue of immigration? Will the Politically correct always hold this strangle on any debate about it until we suffer real consequences?

Darkman, i like you as a guy but your antics lately are decidely right wing, you voted NO to a liberating treaty and you are IMO promoting right wing beliefs, your opinion portrays what i as an immature guy used to believe but now i see the full picture and understand that the guys coming in from abroad are only here to better themselves, god we done the same, There is nothing wrong with this, things will even themselves out.

We gotta understand that togetherness will lead to freedom.. You need to just chill and let things take their course. The sad people in our country will target the immgrants in the coming years as our economy declines, you Darkman are a good individual and i hope you arent one of these people.

1ofmany

I believe immigration from outside European Union should be stopped. And EU itself shouldn't accept countries like Turkey 'cause they are not European culturally.
Otherwise they will soon take over us or cause troubles this or other way.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

'they're not european culturally' = 'they're not white'

you don't have to dress it up like you give a **** about culture, just say it like you feel it.

I would have thought he/she meant Muslim rather than not white.

Dyr

Nah its that they're dodgy religious nutjobs who havent really gotten around the whole democracy-equality-fraternity thing. Same as the balkan mentalists.

OPENROAD

1ofmany wrote: »

I believe immigration from outside European Union should be stopped. And EU itself shouldn't accept countries like Turkey 'cause they are not European culturally.
Otherwise they will soon take over us or cause troubles this or other way.

Would this be the same the other way i.e Irish should not be allowed to US/Australia etc...

genericgoon

OPENROAD wrote: »

Would this be the same the other way i.e Irish should not be allowed to US/Australia etc...

It pretty much already is, isn't it? How many of the Irish people who go to the US go legally?