Mafi

Size=everything

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Anyone else starting to think Rickyhatton is EOS?

I am not saying start Trimble I am saying develop him now as hes young, will be around for years and will eventually be starting for us rather than bringing in Mafi for a few years and then when he goes were stuck with an inexperienced trimble!

Amazotheamazing

RickyHatton wrote: »

I said I found it ****e. I was more effective tackling higher. That is my opinion from my experience don't be so condescending.

And have you played International rugby (and if you did i suspect you are Andrew Trimble)?

Size=everything

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

And have you played International rugby (and if you did i suspect you are Andrew Trimble)?

You are completely glossing over my point that Trimble has never been pushed off a head on tackle because of going high

If Mafi's standard of passing is anything to go by maybe I should start playing international as a centre!

Oafley Jones

RickyHatton wrote: »

I said I found it ****e. I was more effective tackling higher. That is my opinion from my experience don't be so condescending.

You can bend the laws of physics? Who did you play for?

Size=everything

Oafley Jones wrote: »

You can bend the laws of physics? Who did you play for?

its irrelevant. And this is going off topic. Trimble feels more comfortable going higher and hasn't been caught out because of it stop tying to divert that fact onto me

stop trying to get a rise out of me.

Stev_o

RickyHatton wrote: »

I disagree Trimble can tackle.

Though I dont think theres any doubt that Mafi can't pass!!

Right iv searched and ill post each comment on people's thoughts of Trimble

1 Originally Posted by toomevara View Post
Trimble having a shocker

2.yep. every second missed tackle seems to be his. only thing he did was catch a ball ogara was already under.

3Where the hell was the defence

Trimble again

4.I have been saying how CRAP Tremble is in a different thread for the last week and more or less been told to shut up, but now I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks this way- he could take a few lessons from Noone on how to tackle before he leaves ENGURLAND this evening...


5Trimble sucks! Any time O' Gara used him he went into contact without passing.

6Must say Reddan doesn't seem to be able to cut it at this level.
Thought he was the worst player on the pitch today along with Trimble.

7Shaggy should never play in the centre again and I think Trimble has had and wasted his chance, give him the Tommy Bowe treatment and see if he tries to better himself.

Amazotheamazing

RickyHatton wrote: »

its irrelevant. And this is going off topic. Trimble feels more comfortable going higher and hasn't been caught out because of it stop tying to divert that fact onto me

stop trying to get a rise out of me.

If everyone says he can't tackle, one posted a clip of him being caught out, another suggests revisiting the English thread where he did something similar, do you think maybe, just maybe, the "he can't tackle" crowd are right and you are wrong?

Size=everything

Stev_o wrote: »

Right iv searched and ill post each comment on people's thoughts of Trimble

1 Originally Posted by toomevara View Post
Trimble having a shocker

2.yep. every second missed tackle seems to be his. only thing he did was catch a ball ogara was already under.

3Where the hell was the defence

Trimble again

4.I have been saying how CRAP Tremble is in a different thread for the last week and more or less been told to shut up, but now I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks this way- he could take a few lessons from Noone on how to tackle before he leaves ENGURLAND this evening...


5Trimble sucks! Any time O' Gara used him he went into contact without passing.

6Must say Reddan doesn't seem to be able to cut it at this level.
Thought he was the worst player on the pitch today along with Trimble.

7Shaggy should never play in the centre again and I think Trimble has had and wasted his chance, give him the Tommy Bowe treatment and see if he tries to better himself.

In fairness you are quoting games from a competition where everyone played poorly bar a small few.

Stev_o

RickyHatton wrote: »

In fairness you are quoting games from a competition where everyone played poorly bar a small few.

Where Trimble was one of the main causes for such a awfull performance

Oafley Jones

RickyHatton wrote: »

its irrelevant. And this is going off topic. Trimble feels more comfortable going higher and hasn't been caught out because of it stop tying to divert that fact onto me

stop trying to get a rise out of me.

Rattled.

Surely you can see why tackling higher isn't a good thing?

Amazotheamazing

RickyHatton wrote: »

In fairness you are quoting games from a competition where everyone played poorly bar a small few.

Oh, yeah, that makes it ok....

Listen, are you related to Andrew or something? The guy is a poor defender. It's not personal, it's just the way of things.

Size=everything

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

If everyone says he can't tackle, one posted a clip of him being caught out, another suggests revisiting the English thread where he did something similar, do you think maybe, just maybe, the "he can't tackle" crowd are right and you are wrong?

I have seen him play a lot. He rarely gets caught out.

In that english game the backrow were disgracefully slow in getting into defence

Hes had a few bad games and has been scrutinized for it but then again hes young and still learning what do you expect?

Amazotheamazing

RickyHatton wrote: »

I have seen him play a lot. He rarely gets caught out.

In that english game the backrow were disgracefully slow in getting into defence

Hes had a few bad games and has been scrutinized for it but then again hes young and still learning what do you expect?

We was caught out against France, England and Wales (at least).

I expect a pro centre or wing to be a better tackler than what Trimble currently is.

Size=everything

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Rattled.

Surely you can see why tackling higher isn't a good thing?

I said it was for me. Maybe it was because I was coming back from a leg injury, wasn't able to squat and as such my legs werent as strong I dont know but it worked for me

This is my last reply on this subject

Size=everything

Stev_o wrote: »

Where Trimble was one of the main causes for such a awfull performance

I don't see how trimble is responsible for the backrow being slow, other players dropping balls, O'Gara's poor kicking etc.

Size=everything

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

We was caught out against France, England and Wales (at least).

I expect a pro centre or wing to be a better tackler than what Trimble currently is.

But you dont expect a pro centre to be able to pass?

Stev_o

RickyHatton wrote: »

I don't see how trimble is responsible for the backrow being slow, other players dropping balls, O'Gara's poor kicking etc.

I dont see how the backrow is responsible for defending the centre.... Usually its the centre's job isnt?

Amazotheamazing

RickyHatton wrote: »

But you dont expect a pro centre to be able to pass?

You're right, Trimble can't pass either.

Mafi can pass, well, at least as well as Trimble, D'Arcy and Horgan. In fact, the only better passer than Mafi is Wallace, and he isn't an option.

Size=everything

Stev_o wrote: »

I dont see how the backrow is responsible for defending the centre.... Usually its the centre's job isnt?

well actually usually when the ball is lost and their backrows are moving into the line its the job of our backrows to come into the line to protect the 9-10 and 10-12 channel they were too slow to do this

KERPAL

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

One of the biggest clubs in the world offered to sign him, he weighed up staying around and not getting capped to going and providing for his family. You can call it mercenary if you like, but it's the way rugby is going.

Your contradicting yourself, you think we would get capped. thats my argument he wouldnt get capped by NZ

Size=everything

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

You're right, Trimble can't pass either.

Mafi can pass, well, at least as well as Trimble, D'Arcy and Horgan. In fact, the only better passer than Mafi is Wallace, and he isn't an option.

No he can't he never wants to pass

probably because when he does it always forward

Stev_o

RickyHatton wrote: »

well actually usually when the ball is lost and their backrows are moving into the line its the job of our backrows to come into the line to protect the 9-10 and 10-12 channel they were too slow to do this

But none of their tries came from turnovers they came from set piece play or phase play where trimble was exposed a number of times

Size=everything

Stev_o wrote: »

But none of their tries came from turnovers they came from set piece play or phase play where trimble was exposed a number of times

I am talking about the entire campaign

keep up.

Size=everything

It just disgusts me that people here want to push out a young homegrown Irish player who has spent years in the irish youth system set up and has stepped up to the major level when asked despite being only 20/21 at the time for a player whose not Irish and came here for a nice pay rise.

Stev_o

RickyHatton wrote: »

I am talking about the entire campaign

keep up.

Where we didnt concede any tries from turnovers. Face it Trimble was stood up on a number of occasions at centre.

Stev_o

Watching the highlights of the England vs Ireland match on the RB6 website. Scrum to England ball goes to Sackey Trimble touches him with his fingers as Sackey goes and sets up and try which he eventually finishes off

kmart6

What's wrong with D'Arcy at 12?

KERPAL

If Trimble and Ftzgerald get the attention needed over the next few years from Declan Kidney and co. in order to aid their development as international players, they will become far superior international 12s than Mafi could ever dream of becoming, he is a failed product of the NZ rugby system, failing to get his game for the Hurricanes, and i do not see why IRFU should pick up NZs scraps by giving a player who has come here for money a chance to play for the national team after living here for 3 years.
He is not irish, has contributed nothing to irish rugby as a whole(munster would have won the HC without him) and the fact is Ireland should not settle for second rate 1st centres, as this will only slow down the development of potential 1st centres for our future.

Size=everything

Stev_o wrote: »

Where we didnt concede any tries from turnovers. Face it Trimble was stood up on a number of occasions at centre.

it doesnt have to be a turn over!

This may come as a shock to you but forwards can come into the backline if rucks are already safe.

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kmart6 wrote: »

What's wrong with D'Arcy at 12?

I agree!

I never said start trimble

I just said dont push him out of the set up for Mafi when in a few years we will have to rely on him!

Stev_o

RickyHatton wrote: »

it doesnt have to be a turn over!

This may come as a shock to you but forwards can come into the backline if rucks are already safe.

Yes but generally forwards dont go into the centre yet again its the centre's job the hints in the name.

Oafley Jones

RickyHatton wrote: »

It just disgusts me that people here want to push out a young homegrown Irish player who has spent years in the irish youth system set up and has stepped up to the major level when asked despite being only 20/21 at the time for a player whose not Irish and came here for a nice pay rise.

Who's pushing him out. There's room for more than one.

DEY TUKK UR JERBs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKd6kSDcaYQ

Chucky the tree

RickyHatton wrote: »

It just disgusts me that people here want to push out a young homegrown Irish player who has spent years in the irish youth system set up and has stepped up to the major level when asked despite being only 20/21 at the time for a player whose not Irish and came here for a nice pay rise.

Why didnt you just say this at the start of the thread? Instead of forcing your self to come up with bull**** excuses to cover the fact that trimble would an awful 12.

kmart6

RickyHatton wrote: »

I agree!

I never said start trimble

I just said dont push him out of the set up for Mafi when in a few years we will have to rely on him!

But has it not already been established here that Mafi can't play for Ireland cause he's played 7's for NZ?!

Size=everything

KERPAL wrote: »

If Trimble and Ftzgerald get the attention needed over the next few years from Declan Kidney and co. in order to aid their development as international players, they will become far superior international 12s than Mafi could ever dream of becoming, he is a failed product of the NZ rugby system, failing to get his game for the Hurricanes, and i do not see why IRFU should pick up NZs scraps by giving a player who has come here for money a chance to play for the national team after living here for 3 years.
He is not irish, has contributed nothing to irish rugby as a whole(munster would have won the HC without him) and the fact is Ireland should not settle for second rate 1st centres, as this will only slow down the development of potential 1st centres for our future.

Right on the money, well put.

Chucky the tree

RickyHatton wrote: »

I agree!

I never said start trimble

I just said dont push him out of the set up for Mafi when in a few years we will have to rely on him!

have to rely on him? Jesus I didnt know after trimble we would never be producing a centre ever again.

Size=everything

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Why didnt you just say this at the start of the thread? Instead of forcing your self to come up with bull**** excuses to cover the fact that trimble would an awful 12.

I DID!

I said its better having him in the team rather than Mafi because eventually he will be our 12 in years to come

I never said start him now! just dont push him out of the irish senior set up!

Chucky the tree

KERPAL wrote: »

If Trimble and Ftzgerald get the attention needed over the next few years from Declan Kidney and co. in order to aid their development as international players, they will become far superior international 12s than Mafi could ever dream of becoming, he is a failed product of the NZ rugby system, failing to get his game for the Hurricanes, and i do not see why IRFU should pick up NZs scraps by giving a player who has come here for money a chance to play for the national team after living here for 3 years.
He is not irish, has contributed nothing to irish rugby as a whole(munster would have won the HC without him) and the fact is Ireland should not settle for second rate 1st centres, as this will only slow down the development of potential 1st centres for our future.

Seriously, the people who think Trimble/Fitz will make good 12's should lay off smoking crack. It's really not good for you.

Size=everything

Stev_o wrote: »

Yes but generally forwards dont go into the centre yet again its the centre's job the hints in the name.

If they can they usually do and its up to their opposite numbers to follow suit.

Size=everything

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Seriously, the people who think Trimble/Fitz will make good 12's should lay off smoking crack. It's really not good for you.

He is 22. He will definitely improve. Mafi will not. Even now he is not good enough and D'Arcy would go ahead of him at 12. the only thing Mafi would do would push trimble out and then when darcy, bod and mafi retire we have an inexperienced trimble to take over

Chucky the tree

RickyHatton wrote: »

He is 22. He will definitely improve. Mafi will not. Even now he is not good enough and D'Arcy would go ahead of him at 12. the only thing Mafi would do would push trimble out and then when darcy, bod and mafi retire we have an inexperienced trimble to take over

While your predicting the future, what will next weeks lotto numbers be?


the only reason trimble will improve, is because it's not possible for him to get any worse.

Size=everything

Chucky the tree wrote: »

While your predicting the future, what will next weeks lotto numbers be?


the only reason trimble will improve, is because it's not possible for him to get any worse.

Why?

Because Mafi still hasn't mastered the ability to pass backwards. If he can't improve on such a basic thing then how is he ever going to improve on any major scale?

Bit harsh on Trimble remember hes only 22 and was played out of position a lot. Considering the circumstances I think hes done very well.

Oafley Jones

RickyHatton wrote: »

He is 22. He will definitely improve. Mafi will not. Even now he is not good enough and D'Arcy would go ahead of him at 12. the only thing Mafi would do would push trimble out and then when darcy, bod and mafi retire we have an inexperienced trimble to take over

D'Arcy -28
BOD -29
Mafi -26
Trimble-22

Given their ages, which 2 players are most likely to be still playing by the next world cup?

kmart6

Look lads Mafi can't play for Ireland. See here.another thread on boards that show's it!

And look here,last line it say's it too! Stop talking about something that can never happen!!!!

Size=everything

Oafley Jones wrote: »

D'Arcy -28
BOD -29
Mafi -26
Trimble-22

Given their ages, which 2 players are likely to be playing in the next world cup.

Why are you forgetting about Fitz?

BODs going to be 32
D'arcy is going to be 31

hardly too old

I can see either

12. BOD 13. Fitz

or if BOD does retire before then which I don't think he would

12. D'arcy 13. Fitz

Oafley Jones

RickyHatton wrote: »

Why are you forgetting about Fitz?

BODs going to be 32
D'arcy is going to be 31

hardly too old

I can see either

12. BOD 13. Fitz

or if BOD does retire before then which I don't think he would

12. D'arcy 13. Fitz

Can't see D'Arcy or BOD being around by then, especially if BOD loses the captaincy.

Size=everything

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Can't see D'Arcy or BOD being around by then, especially if BOD loses the captaincy.

you think its odd for a player to still be playing at 31 and 32??

And why would BOD lose his captaincy hes a great captain!

And if he did BOD is not the type of player who would just quit because of losing his captaincy. You obviously don't know him hes a very determined and passionate player.

Stev_o

RickyHatton wrote: »

you think its odd for a player to still be playing at 31 and 32??

And why would BOD lose his captaincy hes a great captain!

And if he did BOD is not the type of player who would just quit because of losing his captaincy. You obviously don't know him hes a very determined and passionate player.

Dont even start a discussion on BOD's captaincy as most people will say he is awfull one

Chucky the tree

RickyHatton wrote: »

Why?

Because Mafi still hasn't mastered the ability to pass backwards. If he can't improve on such a basic thing then how is he ever going to improve on any major scale?

Bit harsh on Trimble remember hes only 22 and was played out of position a lot. Considering the circumstances I think hes done very well.

ah but the techniquoe of tackling is such an art to master that it always takes players till there about 24 before they can do it.:pac:

Oafley Jones

RickyHatton wrote: »

you think its odd for a player to still be playing at 31 and 32??

And why would BOD lose his captaincy hes a great captain!

And if he did BOD is not the type of player who would just quit because of losing his captaincy. You obviously don't know him hes a very determined and passionate player.

I worry about backs once they hit the 30, not everyone is a Mike Catt. I'd like BOD to be free of the burden of the captaincy for a while, I don't think it suits him at the moment. We'll see in a few months anyway.