More slippage in NBS timetable

bealtine

mumhaabu wrote: »

I knew this was going to happen and the next thing that will happen soon will be the folding of Eircom and a total Esop takeover.

Your wish is eircoms command:
http://www.rte.ie/business/2008/1030/eircom.html

Ned Sullivan named as new Eircom chairman
Thursday, 30 October 2008 15:48

Eircom has named Ned Sullivan as its new non executive Chairman. Mr Sullivan replaces Pierre Danon, who announced in June that he was stepping down from the role.

Mr Sullivan is currently Chairman of Greencore Group and McInerney Holdings. He is also a non executive director of Anglo Irish Bank.

Meanwhile, Isle of Man based fund LIT, which is listed on London's FTSE AIM, has made a preliminary approach to buy the fund that controls Eircom - Babcock and Brown Capital, or BCM.

If Eircom is sold, it would be the fifth time the company has changed hands since its privatisation by the government in 1999.

LIT's business is making investments in other companies. It listed on the AIM last month, and when it did so said weakness in stock markets meant there were opportunities to invest in companies at substantially less than their intrinsic value. BCM shares have fallen by 67% over the last year.

According to a statement filed with the stock exchange, LIT is considering calling for an extraordinary general meeting of BCM, because of what it calls the lack of responsiveness to its approach from BCM's directors.

LIT and its associates already own about 6.7% of BCM's shares.

clohamon

Not 22 months, not 60 months, but………….

Deputy Jan O’Sullivan asked the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources his views on the growing digital divide across rural and urban Ireland as outlined in a report of the Central Statistics Office; the steps he is taking to combat the growth of a digital divide; and if he will make a statement on the matter.


Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources (Deputy Eamon Ryan):
Broadband services are crucial in bridging digital divide. The provision of...………………………


........On the 25 November 2008 I announced that 3, a Hutchison Whampoa company, has been selected as the preferred tenderer for the NBS following the conclusion of a comprehensive competitive procurement process. The NBS contract is expected to be signed with 3 by mid-December.
NBS consumers will be provided with a reliable and price competitive broadband connection consisting of an always-on service of at least 1mbps. The service will be upgraded to higher specifications during the 68-month contract without any increase in charge to the consumer.

Pasted from <http://debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.aspx?F=DAL20081202.xml&Node=H20-47#H20-47&gt;

mike76

In 3's terms that means we'll advertise your 1mb mobile broadband product that doesn't work as a 7mb or even 14mb mobile broadband product ........that doesn't work.....

Anyway I've asked this before but does anyone know for certain whether the bids willbe publicly available.....i suspect not......still can't understand this decision.....has disaster/delays written all over it............the govt will just wash their hands and blame 3.......

cgarvey

Is it not ...

60 months .. the duration of the NBS contract
22 months .. the time to get all blackholes served by NBS
8 months .. the time to start getting blackholes covered (and the start of the 60 month contract)?

clohamon

Following the conclusion of a competitive tendering process, the contract to implement and operate the National Broadband Scheme (NBS) was entered into with "3" (a Hutchison Whampoa company trading as 3) on 23 December 2008.

The NBS will deliver broadband to certain target areas in Ireland in which broadband services are not available. Under the contract, 3 will be required to provide services to all premises in the NBS area who seek a service. In order to facilitate competition in the area, 3 will also be required to provide wholesale access to any other authorised operator who wishes to serve premises in the NBS area.

More information, including maps of the areas to be addressed by the NBS, will be available in the coming weeks.
For more information contact:

Update from DCENR website

thebman

clohamon wrote: »

Update from DCENR website

Oh thank god, soon we will have sub dial up speeds. Hurray!

Thank you government.

watty

2ch ISDN @ 128k is error free so can with compression (normal with most websites) be similar to 250k wireless with errors.

The latency on ISDN is stable and much better than the 120ms to 2000ms of HSDPA. Due to how Satellite compared with HSDPA works you only need 220ms Latency on HSDPA for page load times to exceed Satellite Latency of 800ms.


However usually EDGE/3G/HSDPA is better than analogue dialup, which is often 22k to 40k and rarely better than 45k on a 56k modem.

watty

NBS announced on "Morning Ireland" about 8.00am 22nd Jan 2009 RTE Radio 1 as giving "High speed Broadband" to 10% unserved remote users by the end of 21months (Autumn 2010). To be supplied by "3"

Except more than 10% can't get Broadband

Except "3" has a bad record on Network management, IP space, Proxies, email servers and backhaul.

Except HSDPA is not at all High Speed Broadband.

How do we get RTE to do a proper report? It sounded like they just read a Press Statement from Minister Eamonn Ryan.

thebman

watty wrote: »

NBS announced on "Morning Ireland" about 8.00am 22nd Jan 2009 RTE Radio 1 as giving "High speed Broadband" to 10% unserved remote users by the end of 21months (Autumn 2010). To be supplied by "3"

Except more than 10% can't get Broadband

Except "3" has a bad record on Network management, IP space, Proxies, email servers and backhaul.

Except HSDPA is not at all High Speed Broadband.

How do we get RTE to do a proper report? It sounded like they just read a Press Statement from Minister Eamonn Ryan.

He probably wrote the article with the way RTE have been lately.

PropertyBin.com forum users caught them removing articles that would have embarrassed the government from their website the other day (about Anglo).

watty

Link to almost exactly what was read on news
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0122/broadband.html

clohamon

Link to department announcement.

http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Press+Releases/Government+announces+scheme+to+deliver+broadband+across+Ireland.htm


Link to 3 NBS site

http://www.three.ie/nbs/index.htm

watty

From above

Ireland currently has over 1.2 million subscribers to broadband. The National Broadband Scheme will provide the remaining 10% of our population, or approximately 33% of the area of the country, with broadband services (see attached map). Ireland will have 100% coverage by September 2010; half of the area under the scheme will be covered by the end of this year.

Contains at least 3 lies.

• over 1.2 million subscribers to broadband
  --- Subtract: Clearwire, Ripwave and EDGE/3G/HSDPA Mobile
• remaining 10% of our population ... Ireland will have 100% coverage by September 2010
  --- What about the 10% to 20% in already covered areas that can't get Broadband?
• with broadband services
  --- It's not Broadband that is getting rolled out but 3G/HSDPA. It does not meet the original criteria as it doesn't support "Always on", VOIP or Gaming. Additionally upload speeds are typically 1/2 of slowest DSL upload and Download speed will be under 160kbps for 20 simultaneous of a sector.

jbkenn

Interesting bits from the FAQ http://www.three.ie/nbs/faqs.htm

What technology is being used in Network rollout?
3’s network technology is the best available - Nokia Siemens Network I-HSPA solution. I-HSPA (Intelligent High Speed Packet Access) is industry leading technology which allows operators to offer high quality broadband services in a highly cost efficient way. 3’s network is also ready to be upgraded to LTE or Long Term Evolution which is the next step in mobile broadband technology. The masts which 3 deploys across its network are the lowest footprint, highest capacity and lowest power consumption available in the market place. All in all, that means 3 is deploying the very latest and greatest technologies to give you the best broadband connectivity!

What product will be offered under the NBS?
3 will extend its network to provide mobile wireless broadband services into NBS areas. The mobile wireless broadband service (HSPA), will have a minimum download speed of 1.2mbps, a minimum upload speed of 200kpbs, a maximum contention ratio of 36:1, a latency of 120 milliseconds and a 15gigabit (12 down, 3 up) inclusive monthly download allowance limit.

In recognition of the fact that some areas will be very difficult to reach using standard infrastructure, in a limited number of cases 3 will make available a satellite product, which may cover up to 8% of the NBS areas. The satellite product will have a minimum download speed of 1mbs, a minimum upload speed of 128kbps, a maximum contention ratio of 48:1, latency of 800 milliseconds and a 11gigabit (10 down, 1 up) inclusive monthly download allowance limit.

The products will be upgraded to higher specifications during the contract term without any increase in the monthly recurring charge.

What speeds can people expect at launch?

As part of the NBS contract 3 will deliver the following minimum speeds at launch at the edge of cell. Average speeds for customers will be higher.

Minimum download speed is 1.2Mbps while maximum download speed is 5Mbps
Minimum upload speed is 200Kbps while maximum upload speed is 1.8Mbps
Satellite Minimum download speed is 1Mbps
Satellite upload speed is 128Kbps

Are there plans to upgrade speeds?
Yes. In July 2010 3 will deliver the following minimum speeds at the edge of cell. Average speeds for customers will be however higher.
Minimum download speed is 1.6Mbps while maximum download speed is 6.8Mbps
Minimum upload speed is 1.2Mbps while maximum upload speed is 4Mbps

In October 2012:
Minimum download speed is 2.3Mbps while maximum download speed is 10.4Mbps
Minimum upload speed is 1.4Mbps while maximum upload speed is 4.8Mbps

Will there be download and upload limits and what will they be?
A data cap of 15GB will be available per month
Satellite will have a data cap of 11GB per month

What will be the contention ratio at launch?
36: 1 contention
Satellite 48:1 contention

What will the cost be for the consumer?
The cost to customers will be €19.99 per month for 15GB data allowance with out of bundle charged at 5 cent per MB. There will be a one-off charge of €49 for hardware.

Satellite will be charged at €19.99 per month 11GB data allowance subject to fair usage. There will be a one-off charge of €49 for hardware.

Where can consumers and businesses purchase the service?
There are loads of places up and down the country where you can buy 3’s broadband services. Call into one of 3’s 500 authorised retail outlets, call our dedicated sales line or visit three.ie anytime.

How much is the scheme costing?
The value of the investment required to implement the scheme is c. €223m. The Government is contributing €79.8m to the cost of the project over the 68 month contract period.

Is the NBS project co-funded by the EU?
The project will attract EU co-funding under the ERDF 2007-2013 of approximately €30m, reducing the net cost to the Exchequer to approximately €50m.

jbkenn

Villain

What a pile of crap, I-HSPA and Satellite should be allowed to be called Broadband!!!

lmimmfn

jbkenn wrote: »

What product will be offered under the NBS?
3 will extend its network to provide mobile wireless broadband services into NBS areas. The mobile wireless broadband service (HSPA), will have a minimum download speed of 1.2mbps, a minimum upload speed of 200kpbs, a maximum contention ratio of 36:1, a latency of 120 milliseconds and a 15gigabit (12 down, 3 up) inclusive monthly download allowance limit.


Will there be download and upload limits and what will they be?
A data cap of 15GB will be available per month
Satellite will have a data cap of 11GB per month

I dont know if you made a mistake posting, but if its 15Mb(bit) thats absolutely crazy, 20euro per month for 1.875GB( 1.5 down/.357 up )!!!!!

Sponge Bob

This 'minimum speed at edge of cell' palaver fails to cover the inevitable eventuality of Cell Breathing .

In 3g networks the cell shrinks physically as it gets full , the radios turn down and teh signal disappears from the fringes. Rural cells are larger and therfefore the effect is more pronounced in geographic terms . Fixed wireless does not have this problem .

The risk in rural areas is that the geographic coverage will literally halve as people come home in the evenings and the cell therefore fills and breathes in .

watty

The minimum speed is a lie pure and simple. For LOTS of reasons.

That speed is for ZERO inter-cell interference, zero other interference and only one user in the entire sector at the window facing the mast with no major obstructions nearby. With 36:1 contention and real homes it could be 100 times slower, slower than typical dialup. Upload is even slower. Delay/Latency/Ping varies from 120ms at best with perfect signal near mast up to 2000ms with 36:1 contention.

There is NO technology to set contention at 36:1 other than refusing connections. Definitely not always on then?



At full cell capacity actually the range is a bit less than half. Simple Geometry shows that this is 1/4 the Geographic coverage. That's about the extend of cell breathe. If cells adjoin to give full coverage and one is at a high site or user is on high site or upstairs window then an adjoining cell can breathe too as users connect!