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Higher level maths.... quite a nasty paper one...

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭Fuascailt


    Adventure wrote: »
    not too bad.

    anyone get else 1/1+x^2
    for part(c) inverse sin calculus q???

    Yup. that was handy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 64 ✭✭Calorimeterman


    and whats the deal with the foldy out paper? That really annoyed me at the start- Q1,2,7,8!!!

    They don't normally do that, no??


  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭tabouli


    Parsley wrote: »
    For the values of c, i got -20 up to +7. Aforementioned nerd got that too. :D

    Yay, got that too! *high 5*Got 16/3 for the integration part c though :/

    Q2 - Didn't really know what was going on for Q2 c, I tried to do an inequality job, not sure if it worked though.

    Q1&3 - Boring, but ok.

    Q4 - For the last part, does anyone know what were you supposed to do for the 2^r?

    Q5 - Bleh, looked hard, did half of it and then gave up.

    Q6 - Appears to have gone ok. :p

    Q7 - Fine

    Q8 - I don't think I got the c part out but it doesn't matter cos it was my extra question.

    Overall I thought it was nice enough.


  • Registered Users Posts: 432 ✭✭Yuugib


    aww for qs 8 c i got 11.167 :( (11/1/6) :(
    damn it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭Caoimhe89


    and whats the deal with the foldy out paper? That really annoyed me at the start- Q1,2,7,8!!!

    They don't normally do that, no??

    Oooh yeah. That confused me! I felt like putting up my hand and going 'where's the rest of my paper'. Luckily I realised it folded out before that...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 435 ✭✭~Candy~


    Chain rule. You diff -x to get -1 and multiply it by e^-x.


    thank you so much !!! - e^-x is it same as e^x ..(sorry now )


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,673 ✭✭✭mahamageehad


    if you have answers handy, can you tell me if mine look some form of ok...bearing in mind that im depending on attempt marks..!!
    Thanks!! :)
    Q1a- 6 over (x+2)(x-2)
    Q2a- a=5 b=7
    Q2bi- 51
    Q2bii- -364
    Q3a- -(7 2)
    (5 0)
    Q3bi- 1-i
    Q3bii- 8
    Q5a- 2rootx
    Q6ci b= -12
    Q7a- 2x+2cos2x
    Q7bi- -10x-6y
    6x+10y
    Q8a- 2xsquared over2 + sin3x over 3 + c


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 59 ✭✭peteballagh


    it was so-so

    Q1 was easy - full marks

    Q2 - a and b were simple - c took a bit of thought, but I think I got it

    Q3 - Proof of de moivre's theorem on q3 threw me a bit - it's never been asked before - but I rememberd most of the steps so i prob got 15/20. Again a and b were sound

    Q6 - again, a and b were fine. C - first part was sound, second was tough but I attempted it so probably 13/20

    Q 7 - A and B were easy. C was for me the hardest q on the paper - I mixed it up with something else and got nowhere.

    Q 8 A was fine, but the second part of B was a bit tricky - I got it after ages.
    C was very difficult - I'd say I got 7 out of 20

    So overall, i was probably just short of an A. Tricky enough paper in places, but not horrible.

    Here's hoping for a nice paper on Monday :-)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 59 ✭✭peteballagh


    Caoimhe89 wrote: »
    I got 23/6. Hmmm... now i'm slightly worried.

    I got 21/6 - but I found out afterward that I used the wrong limits - annoying q


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 64 ✭✭Calorimeterman


    I drew the graph just there for part c, I was well off with 6, but I thinkI got the whole theory behind it right, so the mistake was probably arithmatic...

    Any one who got around 10, give or take a half would probably be right.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 421 ✭✭Peslo


    They could have made 1c and 2c ALOT easier!!!

    And what was the story with 1b???


  • Registered Users Posts: 674 ✭✭✭kaki


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    By caspul42 at 2008-06-06

    Page 1...imageshack's taking it's sweet time...


  • Registered Users Posts: 432 ✭✭Yuugib


    i tried to work the qs 8 out just now.. and got 10/1/6 :(

    then for qs 1 a i got 2/(x+2)

    qs b i = 47 and ii = 233 O_o

    3 (a) got the same :D

    3 b i got 1 - i
    b ii = o + 8i

    5 a got -2<x<5

    b i = 9 and -3
    ii = 11 and -2

    qs 6 a (3x^2/2root x^3)
    c i = -12
    ii = c<-20 and c>7

    qs 8 B i = e - 1
    ii = 1/4 ln 5

    can anybody confirm?


  • Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭Nanaki


    I got 21/6 - but I found out afterward that I used the wrong limits - annoying q

    uh-oh... something tells me 4/3 was not quite right >_O

    1 (a) 4x-4
    (b) didn't get it
    (c) was fine

    2 (a) grand
    (b) (i) 47
    (ii) 322
    (c) anyone wanna post a solution?

    3 (a) 27 28
    10 10
    (b) maaajorly messed that up!
    (c) fine, remembered it straight from my notes

    4 - didn't cover Q4

    5 (a) -2 < x < 5 (less than or equal to)
    (b) went wrong
    (c) not a clue, somehow I got x= -3/2, 2, -4 ...wrong!

    6 (a) (3/2)(x)^1/2
    (b) fine, nice question
    (c) (i) -12
    (ii) nothing

    7 (a) 2 + 2Cos2x
    (b) (i) -5x/8y
    (ii) didn't work out, I got one slope as -5/8, the other 5/8
    (c) got it down to 1/(x^2 + x^4) wrong

    8 (a) x^3 + (1/3)Sin3x + c
    (b) (1/2)(e^2 - 1)
    (c) I got 4/3 O__o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 LC90


    Got these in the exam,haven't checked over them since so probably a couple wrong.

    Q1 a) 2 over (x-2)
    b) x = 3,1/3 and 3/2
    c)Tough one but I think I got it out.I ended up finding b and c
    then multiplying them to get ad.Probably an easier way though

    Q2 a) (x+5)squared + 7
    b) i) 47
    ii) 322 (unsure about these,very obscure answers)
    c)Managed to prove it could not be greater than 2 but I couldn't prove it was below minus 2.For above two I ended up with (a-b)squared > 0

    Q3 Probably my worst,ended up forgetting how to multiply matrices :( Disaster
    b)i)Ended up getting 7/5 + i/5 ,not very sure

    Q6 a) 3 times Rootx over 2
    c)Got b=-12,couldn't figure out rest

    Q7 a) 2 + 2Cos2x
    b)i) -10x-6y over 10y + 6x
    ii) Got the slopes as -1 and 1
    c) disaster

    Q8 a) x squared + 3Sin3x + C
    b)i) e-1
    ii)Pulled a sneaky move here,I dropped the power on the x to make it work out
    c) Disaster


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 421 ✭✭Peslo


    That paper was well dodgey!

    if you have answers handy, can you tell me if mine look some form of ok...bearing in mind that im depending on attempt marks..!!
    Thanks!! :)
    Q1a- 6 over (x+2)(x-2) -wrong
    Q2a- a=5 b=7 -right (if ya wrote it like (x+a)* + b
    Q2bi- 51
    Q2bii- -364
    Q3a- -(7 2)
    (5 0)
    Q3bi- 1-i - right
    Q3bii- 8 - i got 8i
    Q5a- 2rootx
    Q6ci b= -12 - 12 or minus twelve, cant remember
    Q7a- 2x+2cos2x -right
    Q7bi- -10x-6y - that's what i got, but it didnt work out!
    6x+10y
    Q8a- 2xsquared over2 + sin3x over 3 + c


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 whateva eva eva


    Not a bad paper. Question 2c was tricky. Anyone want to post up how they did it? I cant remember what i got for it but I'm farely sure its wrong


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39 m-i-t-s-u-k-o


    I was really surpirsed and really happy with this paper! I didn't do the two differentiation questions! Also was very pleased the Q.4 c)i) was just give the two formulas!!!!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 674 ✭✭✭kaki


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    By caspul42 at 2008-06-06


  • Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭meeka


    I didn't think the paper was too bad...

    That said, I didn't do fantastically, but I was hardly expecting to :P Hopefully I've managed a B..

    Question 1 was okay, but I had gone on to part c) for some reason and forgot to finish part b), so only got the first x = 3. Oh well. I got part c) out pretty easily, anyway..

    Queston 2 was fine apart from part c), which I may have just about scraped attempts marks for.

    I think I got Question 3 fully out. Question 6 and 7 were .. okay-ish..

    I got all of Question 8 out, but I probably got part c) wrong. Oh well!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5 V.I.Princess


    Em so I dunno if we all dis d same exam paper..But myn was um a disaster!!! The C parts were def challengin..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 LC90


    Yuugib wrote: »
    i tried to work the qs 8 out just now.. and got 10/1/6 :(

    then for qs 1 a i got 2/(x+2)

    qs b i = 47 and ii = 233 O_o Worked it out again there and got 322 again

    3 (a) got the same :D

    3 b i got 1 - i
    b ii = o + 8i

    5 a got -2<x<5

    b i = 9 and -3
    ii = 11 and -2

    qs 6 a (3x^2/2root x^3) Same
    c i = -12 Same
    ii = c<-20 and c>7

    qs 8 B i = e - 1 Same
    ii = 1/4 ln 5

    can anybody confirm?

    .


  • Registered Users Posts: 432 ✭✭Yuugib


    woops... i have 322 as well :D typoo


  • Registered Users Posts: 674 ✭✭✭kaki


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    By caspul42 at 2008-06-06

    I'd just like to add (although it's pointless now) that the reason that I have two question marks beside part (a) of question 6 is because I somehow managed to misread it, and thought they were asking us to differentiate root x cubed from first principles. Which I spent a quarter of an hour trying and failing to do. Stupid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32 MnMs


    omg please tell me everyone did question 4...what a stupidly easy question...10 marks for remembering the formula...simple as

    easy to pick up marks on it

    no integration proofs or anything
    :eek::eek::eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 674 ✭✭✭kaki


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    By caspul42 at 2008-06-06

    Sorry about the scrawlings...


  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭tabouli


    MnMs wrote: »
    omg please tell me everyone did question 4...what a stupidly easy question...10 marks for remembering the formula...simple as

    easy to pick up marks on it

    no integration proofs or anything
    :eek::eek::eek:

    +1, couldn't believe it when I saw it. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32 MnMs


    tabouli wrote: »
    +1, couldn't believe it when I saw it. :D


    ya i was so shocked!! overall i thought the easy parts were simple t the hards parts were challenging:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭ian.f


    If you followed the hint in question 2(c) it was cula bula


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 193 ✭✭straight_As


    kaki wrote: »
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    By caspul42 at 2008-06-06

    Page 1...imageshack's taking it's sweet time...

    Ok guys, I'm only just finished 4th year.........I'll give 2c a go.

    a>0, b>0, both positive.

    a/b+b/a........must be positive to satisfy above, therefore, must be greater than 2 (positive again).

    therefore,
    a/b+b/a > 2
    (a^2+b^2)/ab > 2 ab is positive as a>0, b>0.......multiply across and retain inequality sign.
    a^2 - 2ab - b^2 > 0
    (a-b)^2 > 0 ......true, therefor above statement must be true.

    Different signs. a>0 and b<0 or vice versa
    Therefore,
    -(a/b)-(b/a) = -(a/b + b/a).........less than zero, prove less than -2.
    -(a^2 + b^2)/ab < -2
    therefore a^2 + b^2 -2ab > 0
    (a-b)^2 > 0 therefore above statment is true

    Not sure if I'm right, I still have two years to the LC to improve though!

    Edit:
    Forgot to mention guys, in the first part of my proof, if a<0 and b<0, the proof still works the same (signs cancel each other). Only noticed I'd forgot it there. Sorry


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