Banned after first post?

Hail 2 Da Chimp

In the Sligo Forum a new poster (Loki2K8) was banned after their first post, when I posted questioning the mods my post was deleted.
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The post, to me, seemed to be a joke and taken up the wrong way by the mod.

My post:

me wrote:

Maybe he didn't register just to post that but that was the first thing he posted... You think just cuz muffler and Basq are gone I'm gonna go easy on you mods???

Mod told me to take it to feedback so here it is.

[/fightdapowah]

CuLT

I don't see any problem with the post in question. But then again I don't see the harm in goading Waterford people on the town/city thing either (low hanging fruit).

Xiney

First of all, thank you very much for taking this to feedback where it belongs.

Second of all, I pmed the poster in question when I banned them to explain why I banned them. Should he/she come back and reply to me to say that they were only joking, I will of course discuss it with takola (to decide if we believe he/she is being sincere) and we might allow them back.

Next, you will notice that a regular poster who posts something tongue in cheek along the same lines will not be taken as a "troll", (see: Mikey Sligo on page 1 of that same thread) because we know they're joking. This particular user registered, trolled in a mainly disused thread, and hasn't been back. This is screaming obvious trouble maker to me.

takola deleted your post in the thread on the Sligo forum because like she explained to you in PM, it was derailing the thread and all mod feedback should be handled here. takola and I are both new mods and yes, there is a learning curve, but rest assured that we are doing our best to be fair but also effective mods.

CuLT

Oh yeah, I might add, if you were being a bollocks and "calling out" the mods on thread, a) you should have known better and b) they were well within their right to remove your post.

Checked further into the new user, posting from a UK IP, so unless Sligo has relocated to Essex recently, I'd be dubious of their intentions if it was a troll. I mean, it really looks harmless to me, but maybe it is some big issue in Sligo.

Xiney

The Sligo board, due to our penchant for bellyaching about the less savoury members of our youth community, has a tendency of attracting these types of posts to a relatively minor degree.

We're not in the leages of AH for trolling - but we're a community board and we've got less space for useless nonsense.

Sully

CuLT: Its more the KK Folk who dont like being called a town, and the Waterford folk who hate KK being called a city Mostly.. but eh, whats that got to do with the post in question? :S

CuLT

Sully wrote: »

CuLT: Its more the KK Folk who dont like being called a town, and the Waterford folk who hate KK being called a city Mostly.. but eh, whats that got to do with the post in question? :S

I caught me a fish

muffler

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

In the Sligo Forum a new poster (Loki2K8) was banned after their first post, when I posted questioning the mods my post was deleted.
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The post, to me, seemed to be a joke and taken up the wrong way by the mod.

My post:


Mod told me to take it to feedback so here it is.

[/fightdapowah]

Regarding your post being removed it was well deserved. This hasn't been the first time for you to question modding decisions on thread and frankly I would have removed it also and done a bit more had I still been mod there. Its an ongoing thing with you to question every decision. This feedback thread should have been started by the user who was banned as I fail to see why your nose has been put out of joint by a moddinng decision.

Xiney had her reasons for banning the user and has conceded that both her and takola are new mods and if the user concerned is genuine then it can be discussed by PM and the matter can be reconciled.

I think thats about all that needs to be said on the matter.

monkeyfudge

I tend to think of a ban as an absolute last resort. It seems to have been used as the first resort in this case.

muffler

CuLT wrote: »

I caught me a fish

You've been playing too many war games that used flame throwers

Sully

CuLT wrote: »

I caught me a fish

I could if you want, turn into an evil fish and demand that someone look into this dreadful set of events where an admin of all people talks down Irelands first and oldest city rich with history and that KK place, that "town" which is only good for Hulring and nothing else... I could .. you know... be a proper fish?!

Tbh, I never understood the debate. I find it amusing winding up KK Folk about it, espically those in Ferrybank where the border is an issue

I think you would sit very well if you lived down here

Bob the Builder

Sully wrote: »

CuLT: Its more the KK Folk who dont like being called a town, and the Waterford folk who hate KK being called a city Mostly.. but eh, whats that got to do with the post in question? :S

Thats just because when you're it's a city, it receives a different variety/range of funding than that of a town.

So yah, it's a big debate really, but it'll have a lot of impacts, in terms of social development, etc.

the GALL

Dublin, Ahem.

Bob the Builder

the GALL wrote: »

Dublin, Ahem.

eh, you mean Dublin Town?

kmart6

Don't see what's wrong with what the poster said at all,may have been his opinion on the matter! Everyone has to have a first post somwhere, yet s/he got banned for something you didn't like!

Karl Hungus

monkeyfudge wrote: »

I tend to think of a ban as an absolute last resort. It seems to have been used as the first resort in this case.

I'd rather agree with this, and I don't think it was a particulalry fair ban at all. Sure, the guy made a pig-ignorant comment, and you could very well say he was trolling, but a ban on the first post? Hmm, harsh.

tbh

I think the fact that it was the first post would increase the chance of a ban, to be fair, it's certainly the case in a lot of fora. I think it'd be bad to ban a long-standing user for a comment like that, but I have to say, the fact that it was a first post would seem to suggest someone deliberately re-regging to troll imo.

I've not seen the post mind.

billy the squid

Karl Hungus wrote: »

I'd rather agree with this, and I don't think it was a particulalry fair ban at all. Sure, the guy made a pig-ignorant comment, and you could very well say he was trolling, but a ban on the first post? Hmm, harsh.

Would the fact that it was account belonging to a previously banned user change this viewpoint?

06-06-2008, 7:59 loki 2k8 NEVER Duplicate account - recey Gordon
06-06-2008, 7:58 recey14 NEVER Bugger off Gordon
06-06-2008, 7:58 Recey forlife NEVER Bugger off Gordon

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/banlist.php

BJC

Karl Hungus wrote: »

I'd rather agree with this, and I don't think it was a particulalry fair ban at all. Sure, the guy made a pig-ignorant comment, and you could very well say he was trolling, but a ban on the first post? Hmm, harsh.

I'd totally agree, some MOD's could do with a spoonfull of lighten the hell up :pac:

tbh

BJC wrote: »

I'd totally agree, some MOD's could do with a spoonfull of lighten the hell up :pac:

there are no mods in the thunderdome. Knock yourself out.

Karl Hungus

billy the squid wrote: »

Would the fact that it was account belonging to a previously banned user change this viewpoint?

Certainly would.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

CuLT wrote: »

Oh yeah, I might add, if you were being a bollocks and "calling out" the mods on thread, a) you should have known better and b) they were well within their right to remove your post.
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Fair points - thats why I took it to feedback -> no point me getting banned in the same thread for it.

billy the squid wrote: »

Would the fact that it was account belonging to a previously banned user change this viewpoint?

06-06-2008, 7:59 loki 2k8 NEVER Duplicate account - recey Gordon
06-06-2008, 7:58 recey14 NEVER Bugger off Gordon
06-06-2008, 7:58 Recey forlife NEVER Bugger off Gordon

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/banlist.php

Sure would, cheers billy.

muffler

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

Fair points - thats why I took it to feedback -> no point me getting banned in the same thread for it.



Sure would, cheers billy.

Call it a womans intuition if you want but that was a fine bit of moderation by Xiney in her first modding task.

Oops sorry that should be the second task. I forgot that Hail 2 Da Chimp had to have a post removed - one of the many posts that questions modding decisions in that forum.

takola

muffler wrote: »

Call it a womans intuition if you want but that was a fine bit of moderation by Xiney in her first modding task.

Oops sorry that should be the second task. I forgot that Hail 2 Da Chimp had to have a post removed - one of the many posts that questions modding decisions in that forum.

I deleted the post.

Hail, I would advise in future that you pm one of us if you want to question anything. Posting to question us on a decision in thread will certainly earn you a ban in future.

muffler

takola wrote: »

I deleted the post.

Hail, I would advise in future that you pm one of us if you want to question anything. Posting to question us on a decision in thread will certainly earn you a ban in future.

Apologies takola. It was indeed you who rightly removed the post.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

muffler wrote: »

Oops sorry that should be the second task. I forgot that Hail 2 Da Chimp had to have a post removed - one of the many posts that questions modding decisions in that forum.

Hey, I questioned a mod's decision - I did it in the wrong place and my post was removed so I posted here and sent the link to the mod, nothing wrong with that.
I have only ever had 1 other post in that forum deleted for questioning a mods decision and I took it down the right avenue this time.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

takola wrote: »

I deleted the post.

Hail, I would advise in future that you pm one of us if you want to question anything. Posting to question us on a decision in thread will certainly earn you a ban in future.

You PM'd me and told me I could take it to PM or to Feedback, taking it to PM would ultimately account to nothing IMO.

takola

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

Hey, I questioned a mod's decision - I did it in the wrong place and my post was removed so I posted here and sent the link to the mod, nothing wrong with that.
I have only ever had 1 other post in that forum deleted for questioning a mods decision and I took it down the right avenue this time.

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

You PM'd me and told me I could take it to PM or to Feedback, taking it to PM would ultimately account to nothing IMO.

Which is fair enough if you feel that way. That's up to you. Feel free to take it to feedback if you'd rather not pm either of us.

I think alot of things can be resolved in pm.

Charter wrote:

Arguing with a moderator.
Do not argue with a moderator in a thread after they have given a warning or a ban etc. If you have an issue with a moderator's action then PM the mod in question. They will discuss it with you. You can then, if unsatisfied with the PM route, take things to Feedback.

You've already had a post removed from the forum for questioning a mod in the thread. This was your second time to do something you know breaks the charter rules.

In future if you decide you don't want to pm either of us then just start your feedback thread. If you want our opinions then pm us the link and we'll discuss it with you here. Don't interrupt the thread to question it.

billy the squid

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

You PM'd me and told me I could take it to PM or to Feedback, taking it to PM would ultimately account to nothing IMO.

Taking it to PM would also avoid twelve pages of people posting lolcats and generally ripping the piss out of you.

Also, posting a helpdesk ticket would have denied the moderator of the forum the right to reply as mods cannot post in the helpdesk forum.

So basically PM would have probably been your better option, followed by a helpdesk ticket should you have wanted to escalate the issue.