School has not one Irish pupil enrolling this year

Mena

AnonoBoy wrote: »

And you stole our wimmins too! Admit it. :eek:

4 of them. Why take 1 when you can have more :pac::pac:

robinph

I think the real problem here is that there are not enough kids being made by Irish parents, just need to think of a way to solve that issue?

gixerfixer

gixerfixer wrote: »

Ah the internet eh. Where you can insult people from the security of your keyboard safe in the knowledge that you dont have to call them names to their face:rolleyes: You sir should be ashamed of yourself. As for my first post..why should i expand on what i said.

Ah the Internet eh. Where you can trot out the same response to anybody who challenges your thinly-veiled narrow-mindedness at will :rolleyes:

Methinks you've been found out and have tried to portray your comments as a lazy, half-arsed attempt at conveying your want of a cultural melting-pot in which to let your 'childern' (sic) stew.

You don't have to expand on your first point at all. But seeing as you were asked, and have so far refused, to do so then you leave yourself open to criticism. If indeed you do want to "send them to a school that has a mix of foriegn childern and Irish childern,not a school with all Irish kids or all foreign kids" then why not say that in the first post?

(a) Casually saying "I doubt if id send my girls to a school with that many Non-nationals" implies that you have a problem with non-nationals, NOT, as you've so delightfully backtracked, with the ratio of nationals : non-nationals.

(b) To then ask another poster "whats wrong with the way we raise our kids" is typical of a narrow-minded hypocrite.

So, you see (a) = trollish behaviour and (b) = hypocrisy / f*ckwittery.

IMO.

Mena

I'll take option B, Bob.

super_furry

I think the most worrying thing here is the fact that ghettos are being created.

Carrigart Exile

darkman2 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/changing-times-as-school-finds-no-irishborn-pupils-enrolling-1397401.html


But we will just continue on regardless. How many years has it been said now that our whole immigration system is a joke? That we dont actually have one? It would be too politically incorrect to point out the problems this sort of thing will bring in the future. So now we have a Public school in the most populated area in the country with not one Irish pupil enrolling. You know if we actually planned this artificial apparthied we probrably could not do it! Then there is the all African school in Balbriggan. Keep up the good work!

The Irish diaspora is because Irish people emigrated, now we have people immigrating and you are giving out xenophobic rubbish like this. Cop on to yourself.

darkman2

Carrigart Exile wrote: »

The Irish diaspora is because Irish people emigrated, now we have people immigrating and you are giving out xenophobic rubbish like this. Cop on to yourself.

Your not comparing like with like. Irish people went to large countries that could absorb huge influx of immigrants - the US, Britain etc........the Irish were never in danger of threathening the social fabric of their societies by sheer numbers - this, after all, was always a sparsely populated Island. Now you have influxes of immigrants coming from large countries to a tiny insignificant country - bit of a difference there. We have to be more careful then most simply because of our size.

luckat

darkman2 wrote: »

Your not comparing like with like. Irish people went to large countries that could absorb huge influx of immigrants - the US, Britain etc........the Irish were never in danger of threathening the social fabric of their societies by sheer numbers

Seems to me that immigrants are badly needed here. We have a tiny gene pool that could do with expanding, and immigrants bring skills we need as well.

Why are we always so frightened in Ireland?

Claire121

One of the main problems with foreign children in this country is that their parents don't speak to them predominantly in English, which doesn't help their first few years in primary school.

I don't think that's really the issue, tbh. I teach English as a Second Language and did my linguistics dissertation on an ESL based topic, and it's perfectly possible for young children to pick up two languages at once, say one at home and the other learned at school and to be bilingual at the age of 4 or 5. There isn't really much point in a non native parent speaking the language of the community at home if they aren't perfectly fluent in it and it can even be detrimental, as the child picks up on their mistakes. There's no reason why a child of normal ability shouldn't learn English within a very short space of time. I went to primary school with tons of foreign kids and they all picked it up quickly, even at age 9 or 10. There were after school classes once or twice a week for those who had trouble learning it. I don't think the language issue is as big a deal as some people make out.

gixerfixer

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah the Internet eh. Where you can trot out the same response to anybody who challenges your thinly-veiled narrow-mindedness at will :rolleyes:

Methinks you've been found out and have tried to portray your comments as a lazy, half-arsed attempt at conveying your want of a cultural melting-pot in which to let your 'childern' (sic) stew.

You don't have to expand on your first point at all. But seeing as you were asked, and have so far refused, to do so then you leave yourself open to criticism. If indeed you do want to "send them to a school that has a mix of foriegn childern and Irish childern,not a school with all Irish kids or all foreign kids" then why not say that in the first post?

(a) Casually saying "I doubt if id send my girls to a school with that many Non-nationals" implies that you have a problem with non-nationals, NOT, as you've so delightfully backtracked, with the ratio of nationals : non-nationals.

(b) To then ask another poster "whats wrong with the way we raise our kids" is typical of a narrow-minded hypocrite.

So, you see (a) = trollish behaviour and (b) = hypocrisy / f*ckwittery.

IMO.

Ok.So you continue to insult me.:rolleyes: Typical childish behaviour.Must be sad to be you ya.

IMO

Intothesea

I would see this occurence as a strong symbol of the
innocent/idealistic/laissez-faire approach to immigration
that exists in Ireland. It might not be typical but
certainly spells out a potential for inadvertent cultural
ghettoism. Given the scale and texture of our social fabric,
I wouldn't like to see the results of this type of neglect.
More mindfully controlled immigrant acceptance and integration
is the best anyone can do to be fair to all parties, IMO.

gixerfixer

gixerfixer wrote: »

Ok.So you continue to insult me.:rolleyes: Typical childish behaviour.Must be sad to be you ya.

IMO

Good response. Way to dodge the salient points. Go team you.

Also, learn to use the space bar ya.

Irish kids are lazy. Irish parents don't give a crap anymore.

gixerfixer

Deleted User wrote: »

Good response. Way to dodge the salient points. Go team you.

Also, learn to use the space bar ya.

Thanks for the tip shifty.Here's one for you.Stop using insults to make your point.It's what twelve year olds do at playtime.You are older than twelve arent you?;)

SimpleSam06

farohar wrote: »

If they're born here they're Irish, regardless of where their parents were from.

Saruman wrote: »

As little kitten said, most of the kids ARE Irish! They were born here, grew up here so they are Irish. The fact their parents might be from another country do not alter the fact they are Irish.

This is incorrect. As per the referendum in 2004, children born in Ireland to non Irish parents are no longer considered to be Irish citizens or entitled to the priveleges of residency, nor are their parents.

This law was changed due to widespread abuse, and the 18,000 or so non national families who were here under that law avoided deportation because it would have been extremely expensive to do so, so an amnesty was issued.

With that said, I have a great deal of confidence in the ability of the Irish culture to absorb immigrants. Irish culture is warm, welcoming and community orientated, a powerful combination that retains its integrity throughout the world, wherever the Irish go.

If I thought that immigrants were going to be a disruptive influence, forming ghettoes and cliques, or not contributing to their adoptive nation, I would have much more of a problem with them.

Ultimately they will become Irish, in spirit and in deed, so unless you have some ballsack notions about them being genetically inferior or some such nonsense, I can't see how anyone would have a problem with them. I do feel that further immigration should be severely reduced, however. There is a limit to how much the country can assimilate.

AckwelFoley

i dont really see the problem really here? Is there actually a problem. Is it because they're black or simply because they're not white?

Bahh, theres no issue here in my opinion.



.. just dont leave yer bike unattended.

They like bikes.

:pac:

LaVidaLoca

It was amazing to me: The Irish kids were almost universally, lazy, rude, violent, stupid and totally uninterested in anything put slagging/hitting each other.

The foreign kids I taught (Iraqi, Japanese, Filipino, Korean, Polish, Nigerian) would always do their homework and sit quietly in their seats listening to you, disgusted at the behaviour of the kids all around them. As the Irish kids were not scared of anything, including their parents, and were begging you to expel them, there was nothing you could do about it.

If I ever teach again in an Irish school, which I doubt I will, I would do my best to get sent to one that has the highest possible percentage of foreign kids, as would any teacher who would like to avoid a heart-attack by the age of 35.

FreedomJoe

Deleted User wrote: »

Irish kids are lazy. Irish parents don't give a crap anymore.

Immigrant kids are lazy. Immigrant parents don`t give a crap anymore.

FreedomJoe

LaVidaLoca wrote: »

It was amazing to me: The Irish kids were almost universally, lazy, rude, violent, stupid and totally uninterested in anything put slagging/hitting each other.

The foreign kids I taught (Iraqi, Japanese, Filipino, Korean, Polish, Nigerian) would always do their homework and sit quietly in their seats listening to you, disgusted at the behaviour of the kids all around them. As the Irish kids were not scared of anything, including their parents, and were begging you to expel them, there was nothing you could do about it.

If I ever teach again in an Irish school, which I doubt I will, I would do my best to get sent to one that has the highest possible percentage of foreign kids, as would any teacher who would like to avoid a heart-attack by the age of 35.

Would you prefer the Irish moved out of Ireland?

Im pretty sure if you went to any of the countries you mention you will find an equal amount of disruptive kids in the classrooms.

Its a shame that teachers are failing Irish kids and deciding to put all their efforts into non national kids.

Just out of interest how do you know that these other nationalities werent telling you to go to hell in their own language? But then the way you paint it all these kids were fluent in English and tokens of society!

Have you considered that the Irish kids lost interest in the classroom because teachers such as you were teaching foreign kids how to say the "Cat sat on the Mat" whilst the rest of the class were in there third year?

topper75

Government need to step in. Such a school is a disaster waiting to happen.

I don't really have an issue with foreigners - but if we isolate them like this, we are creating trouble for the future.

Integration is a must and this school does not help with integration. For example, there is trouble enough convincing some supposedly native Irish people of the value of teaching their child Gaeilge. Imagine how hard it would be in this school. If they are to integrate, they must learn our ways. We've chucked away a huge portion of who we are already without adding to it. We'll end up like the Brits before long. A cultureless 'melting pot' society with nothing in common except a shared economy. If they want to live in Ireland, they must become Irish.

The fact that this happened isn't their fault, it is the fault of govt policy. Quick response needed to this. Solve it over the summer months.