What is wrong with some people..19 hour rape..

TripleAce

kryogen wrote: »

that Turned My Stomach A Little When I Read It, The Cruelty Humans Can Do On Each Other Still Amazes And Shocks Me Sometimes, Then I Realise Im Probably Not Much Different Because If I Got My Hands In That Guy It Would Be A Coat Hanger Down The Japs Eyes Treatment He Would Get, Then Electrodes Strapped To His Testicles For Some Shock Treatment And A Scene From The Film Carver Would Be Re Enacted With Him As The Murder Victim In The Outhouse While I Popped His Testicle With A Plyers

These Are Some Of The Things I Would Like To Do To Him, I Dont Know If I Could Do Those Kinds Of Things To Another Human Being, But Sometimes I Think An Eye For An Eye Is Called For And Other Times I Think And Eye For An Eye Eventually Leaves Us All Blind! Im So Conflicted

My Thoughts And Sympathy Are With The Woman, Its Going To Be A Hell Of A Long Road For Her To Ever Recover Form This Experience.

+1

gogglebok

latchyco wrote: »

What saddens me is to see serous offenders show little or no remorse when convicted .The ones who stick two fingers and laugh at victims and familys ,and only bothered that they were caught and that's not including serial killers but your average serious assult ,robber ,rape, criminal .

I am not sure all can be rehabilitated .I do wonder if jail term was a lot hasher the death penalty was re introduced for serious crimes in this part of the world would, it act as a deterrent ?

That lack of remorse is sickening, I agree.

I'm also not sure that everyone can be rehabilitated. I don't agree with the death penalty, mainly because there are so many mistakes. I've been certain about a lot of things, but never certain enough to kill someone.

As to the harshness of jail, I'd go in the opposite direction. I think the only way to give people social responsibility is to make them feel like part of a society. If they're in prison, then that's where it has to start. Throwing people in a dungeon just won't do that, however satisfying it might be.

I think we should go out of our way to integrate criminals into society - giving them education, jobs, etc. Not because they deserve it, and not even because it's necessarily the fairest thing to do. Simply out of self-preservation. A rootless ex-prisoner with no job and no education is more likely to cause us hurt than someone with an education and a job.

As to the hard cases who just won't be rehabilitated, I think there is a case to be made for throwing away the key.

So, that's my proposal:

1. Decent prisons, where people don't get raped or beaten up or treated like animals.
2. Education and socialisation programmes.
3. Extremely long sentences.
4. Generous remission of those sentences, based on participation in (2).
5. Thorough and sympathetic after-care for released prisoners, with the original long sentences reimposed for any criminal or anti-social behaviour.

What do you think?

CHD

Piste wrote: »

She should be allowed to have her revenge in any way she wants.

2 wrongs dont make a right.....

bollocks they dont, she should be allowed torture the ****er

Latchy

gogglebok wrote: »

That lack of remorse is sickening, I agree.

I'm also not sure that everyone can be rehabilitated. I don't agree with the death penalty, mainly because there are so many mistakes. I've been certain about a lot of things, but never certain enough to kill someone.

As to the harshness of jail, I'd go in the opposite direction. I think the only way to give people social responsibility is to make them feel like part of a society. If they're in prison, then that's where it has to start. Throwing people in a dungeon just won't do that, however satisfying it might be.

I think we should go out of our way to integrate criminals into society - giving them education, jobs, etc. Not because they deserve it, and not even because it's necessarily the fairest thing to do. Simply out of self-preservation. A rootless ex-prisoner with no job and no education is more likely to cause us hurt than someone with an education and a job.

Yes, i can go along with that .How many people, ordinary people who before they commited any crime on when applying for jobs or to better themselfs had the door shut on them so many times and suffered humiliation so many times ,that they in frustration turned to crime for gain or to feel like somebody and in turn took their anger out on society ? .That doesnt make it right ,or excuse them but as you say, we give them a fair crack of the whip re education etc ,then we must also show the respect denied them .A lot would not end up in jail if maybe they had being shown this in the first place and poverty will always push people into crime .Not everybody will go along with it but i like the idea yes

As to the hard cases who just won't be rehabilitated, I think there is a case to be made for throwing away the key.

yes

So, that's my proposal:

1. Decent prisons, where people don't get raped or beaten up or treated like animals.
2. Education and socialisation programmes.
3. Extremely long sentences.
4. Generous remission of those sentences, based on participation in (2).
5. Thorough and sympathetic after-care for released prisoners, with the original long sentences reimposed for any criminal or anti-social behaviour.

What do you think?

I think that is a very good way foreward and gets my vote yes

TripleAce

gogglebok wrote: »

That lack of remorse is sickening, I agree.

I'm also not sure that everyone can be rehabilitated. I don't agree with the death penalty, mainly because there are so many mistakes. I've been certain about a lot of things, but never certain enough to kill someone.

As to the harshness of jail, I'd go in the opposite direction. I think the only way to give people social responsibility is to make them feel like part of a society. If they're in prison, then that's where it has to start. Throwing people in a dungeon just won't do that, however satisfying it might be.

I think we should go out of our way to integrate criminals into society - giving them education, jobs, etc. Not because they deserve it, and not even because it's necessarily the fairest thing to do. Simply out of self-preservation. A rootless ex-prisoner with no job and no education is more likely to cause us hurt than someone with an education and a job.

As to the hard cases who just won't be rehabilitated, I think there is a case to be made for throwing away the key.

So, that's my proposal:

1. Decent prisons, where people don't get raped or beaten up or treated like animals.
2. Education and socialisation programmes.
3. Extremely long sentences.
4. Generous remission of those sentences, based on participation in (2).
5. Thorough and sympathetic after-care for released prisoners, with the original long sentences reimposed for any criminal or anti-social behaviour.

What do you think?

6. I would also make sure they have Sky Sport and get holidays to Hawaii paid if they win "Prisoner of the Month Award". :mad:

Totally disagree - there is no way to rehabilitated some people and death penalty is the only way to get rid of the dirt and send a strong message to other scumbags who have intention to commit the same crime.

Really, read the article again and replace that poor girl with somebody close to you....would you still think that a man like that deserves rehabilitation?

gogglebok

TripleAce wrote: »

Really, read the article again and replace that poor girl with somebody close to you....would you still think that a man like that deserves rehabilitation?

Rehabilitation isn't something we should offer to criminals because they deserve it. It's something we should do to make society safer.

Kazuma

I get the feeling they weren't asking whether or not the man deserved rehabilitation, sounded like a nice way of suggesting that they deserved something else instead...

Kazuma

gogglebok wrote: »

That lack of remorse is sickening, I agree.

I'm also not sure that everyone can be rehabilitated. I don't agree with the death penalty, mainly because there are so many mistakes. I've been certain about a lot of things, but never certain enough to kill someone.

As to the harshness of jail, I'd go in the opposite direction. I think the only way to give people social responsibility is to make them feel like part of a society. If they're in prison, then that's where it has to start. Throwing people in a dungeon just won't do that, however satisfying it might be.

I think we should go out of our way to integrate criminals into society - giving them education, jobs, etc. Not because they deserve it, and not even because it's necessarily the fairest thing to do. Simply out of self-preservation. A rootless ex-prisoner with no job and no education is more likely to cause us hurt than someone with an education and a job.

As to the hard cases who just won't be rehabilitated, I think there is a case to be made for throwing away the key.

So, that's my proposal:

1. Decent prisons, where people don't get raped or beaten up or treated like animals.
2. Education and socialisation programmes.
3. Extremely long sentences.
4. Generous remission of those sentences, based on participation in (2).
5. Thorough and sympathetic after-care for released prisoners, with the original long sentences reimposed for any criminal or anti-social behaviour.

What do you think?

Have to agree with you on most points there, mate, though not sure if I'd ever be able to say that it's okay to throw away the key. But prisons these days, and the idea behind them, they seem to not be about rehabilitation, just...storage, in a sense, until the sentence is done.

serenacat

i agree i hope he gets his bad karma

SV

gogglebok wrote: »

Rehabilitation isn't something we should offer to criminals because they deserve it. It's something we should do to make society safer.

Killing him makes society safer

Phantasm

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Christ, that's sick stuff.

Says he with a signature like that :pac:

But yeah, that's disgusting. It makes your stomach churn.

gogglebok

ClioV6 wrote: »

Killing him makes society safer

Like the Birmingham Six? The Guildford Four? Timothy Evans? The Bridgewater Four? Stefan Kiszko? Barry George? The battalions of other innocent people wrongly convicted of murder?

How exactly is killing someone safer for society than keeping them in prison?

omb0wyn5ehpij9

That is seriously messed up :eek:

SV

gogglebok wrote: »

Like the Birmingham Six? The Guildford Four? Timothy Evans? The Bridgewater Four? Stefan Kiszko? Barry George? The battalions of other innocent people wrongly convicted of murder?

How exactly is killing someone safer for society than keeping them in prison?

Well..this guy IS guilty, beyond a shadow of a doubt..so I don't see why not.

killing them ensures, without doubt, that they will not re enter society.
they're also not a drain on resources for people that may be able to rehabilitated, but someone that does something like this doesn't deserve it..They gave up their human rights by taking away someone elses.

gogglebok

ClioV6 wrote: »

Well..this guy IS guilty, beyond a shadow of a doubt..so I don't see why not.

All miscarriages of justice look that way at the time. Have you never believed something beyond a shadow of a doubt that later turned out to be true? It's not an uncommon experience.

I don't believe a fallible justice system should pose an irrevocable punishment. As all justice systems are fallible, that means we have to bid a sigh-filled farewell to hanging people or cutting their feet off. Is that such a loss for civilisation?

ejmaztec

In conclusion:


6/24/2008, 5:09 p.m. EDT
By SAMUEL MAULL
The Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) — An ex-convict has been found guilty of raping and torturing a Columbia University graduate student during 19 hours of nightmarish sadism.

Robert Williams was pronounced guilty in a Manhattan courtroom on 44 of 46 counts.

The verdict followed a gruesome trial that included dramatic testimony from the victim. She tearfully recalled how the attack was so agonizing that she begged her tormentor to kill her.

BraziliaNZ

carolmon wrote: »

There's just no way anybody could find this case sexy.

Seriously, after reading that story would it surprise you if there are men out there getting their kicks from reading that?

Clare Bear

ejmaztec wrote: »

In conclusion:


6/24/2008, 5:09 p.m. EDT
By SAMUEL MAULL
The Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) — An ex-convict has been found guilty of raping and torturing a Columbia University graduate student during 19 hours of nightmarish sadism.

Robert Williams was pronounced guilty in a Manhattan courtroom on 44 of 46 counts.

The verdict followed a gruesome trial that included dramatic testimony from the victim. She tearfully recalled how the attack was so agonizing that she begged her tormentor to kill her.

Has he been sentenced yet?

Kazu

sick **** :mad::mad:

tech77

thelastangryman wrote: »

Cut his nads off, turn him upside dowm and douse the wound with salt. After a few hours cut of the salted scab, turn him the right way up and let him drain slowly.

LOL
You sure that post wasn't meant for one of the cooking forums.

Inventive torture posts FTW.

nkay1985

Just saw this account now. It is absolutely horrifying. You'd wonder can she ever be right after that?

Thankfully he's been found guilty but no punishment would be bad enough for this guy :mad:

bronte

Glad that asshole was found guilty. Hope he rots.

thefinalstage

tech77 wrote: »

LOL
You sure that post wasn't meant for one of the cooking forums.

Inventive torture posts FTW.

I wanna to play a game.

the_syco

Thank f**k it happened in the USA. If i happened here, he'd probably get 10 years or so, "cos his childhood was f**ked up". Hope he gets some jail time (read: gang raped), and then gets the chair.

=-=

Oh, and it's safer, as there's less of a chance of him coming back from the dead, then him getting parole, and subjecting some other poor soul to this sh|te.

ejmaztec

I see that he's not being sentenced until 24th July. Also saw some mention of the girl being related to one of the members of the Aryan Brotherhood. If he gets a life sentence, which he probably will, that'll mean he'll be released after 7 days into the custody of the local funeral company.

tech77

thelastangryman wrote: »

I wanna to play a game.

thefinalstage

tech77 wrote: »

http://www.movie-gazette.com/cinereviews/971

Fighting Irish

Your thread title is like a news headline from the US

What is wrong with some people..19 hour rape..

tech77

thelastangryman wrote: »

http://www.movie-gazette.com/cinereviews/971

Oh OK
Sounds like an interesting film.

challengemaster

Anyone seen the movie untraceable*? Might be an idea for payback to the sick bastard guy..




* for anyone who hasn't seen it, here's a brief explaination - "A serial killer who knows that people (being what they are - both curious and drawn to the dark side of things) will log onto an "untraceable" website where he conducts violent and painful murders LIVE on the net. The more people who log on and enter the website, the quicker and more violently the victim dies."

stevelknievel

I don't think he should go to jail. Why waste money feeding and clothing a **** like that. He needs to be punched repeatedly. With a lump hammer. Then castrated (with out anaesthetic of course). The phrase "I'm a psycho rapist bastard" should then be etched into his face with a rusty chisel, and he should tied to a post in the middle of town. People can then pay 50 quid to whip him a la Passion of the Christ. Money raised can go towards a rape charity, so his life wouldn't be a total waste.

Mossy Monk

stevelknievel wrote: »

I don't think he should go to jail. Why waste money feeding and clothing a **** like that. He needs to be punched repeatedly. With a lump hammer. Then castrated (with out anaesthetic of course). The phrase "I'm a psycho rapist bastard" should then be etched into his face with a rusty chisel, and he should tied to a post in the middle of town. People can then pay 50 quid to whip him a la Passion of the Christ. Money raised can go towards a rape charity, so his life wouldn't be a total waste.

Lots of effort. One bullet to the groin would be effective.

BraziliaNZ

stevelknievel wrote: »

I don't think he should go to jail. Why waste money feeding and clothing a **** like that. He needs to be punched repeatedly. With a lump hammer. Then castrated (with out anaesthetic of course). The phrase "I'm a psycho rapist bastard" should then be etched into his face with a rusty chisel, and he should tied to a post in the middle of town. People can then pay 50 quid to whip him a la Passion of the Christ. Money raised can go towards a rape charity, so his life wouldn't be a total waste.

Don't you all think doing stuff like this is lowering yourself to his level? I don't know what the solution is but capital punishment is wrong and inhumane in my opinion. We should be above that and not let freaks like this bring us down.

Jigsaw

Whatever country the rapist committed the crime in, he should dealt with in accordance with their laws. All these bloodthirsty criminal justice "policies" are all well and good but are essentially just the work of anonymous online Judge Dredds. I AM THE LAW.

Let's let the legal system take its course and shut up.

Tar.Aldarion

Sick enough, ah well, he is human. No word on sentence?

entropi

Piste wrote: »

She should be allowed to have her revenge in any way she wants.

I would love if she wanted him sodomised and rode to pieces by a prison chain gang of the biggest guys in there, then have him tortured till he died from that :mad:

Really horrible story i truly empathise with the girl and it almost sounds like something from a movie...then again sick fu**s like that guy are what provide many of the ideas.

And challengmaster i seen that the day it came out...i think the water tank idea might be good for him.

ejmaztec

I think that the animal is getting sentenced in a week or so. I don't know whether the death-sentence is an option, but it probably won't make much difference to him either way.

Wagon

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

I don't know what the solution is but capital punishment is wrong and inhumane in my opinion.

And 19 hour rape of an innocent victim isn't?

I'm all for death or castration in this case.

entropi

Wagon wrote: »

Just had another idea, didn't read all the posts so sorry if im repeating anyone but...

Why not remove his genitals?

Mossy Monk had a similar idea but better on this page, 1 bullet to the groin.

Wagon

Master of Nothing wrote: »

Mossy Monk had a similar idea but better on this page, 1 bullet to the groin.

Very nice. Alternatively, put him through 19 hours of torture?

stevelknievel

Jigsaw wrote: »

Whatever country the rapist committed the crime in, he should dealt with in accordance with their laws. All these bloodthirsty criminal justice "policies" are all well and good but are essentially just the work of anonymous online Judge Dredds. I AM THE LAW.

Let's let the legal system take its course and shut up.

This was in the original article

"He was charged in a murder as a juvenile, though the outcome of that case is sealed, a law enforcement official said, and he spent eight years in prison for an attempted-murder conviction in 1996."

He's also got a "lenghty police record dating to his childhood, the authorities have said"

The legal system has dealt with him on numerous occasions as the saw fit, amd he was still out there. Walking the streets and free to do this. He's being charged with 71 offences on top of all of those. F*ck rehabilitating this guy. That's not going to happen. He's a full blow psychopath. He's a danger to society. We know what he's capable of and I think a cu*t like that needs to be gunned down for the good of the general public.

LouOB

SCUM

ejmaztec

The End

I wonder when the movie's coming out


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2008/07/24/2008-07-24_excon_robert_williams_gets_life_in_priso.html


Ex-con Robert Williams gets life in prison for Columbia student torture
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Thursday, July 24th 2008, 3:10 PM

An ex-convict has been sentenced to life in prison for the sadistic, 19-hour rape and torture of a Columbia University graduate student.

Robert Williams was convicted last month in Manhattan of attempted murder, rape, kidnapping and arson.

The victim managed to testify about her agonizing ordeal. Her tormenter scalded her with boiling water and tried to blind her with bleach. She was forced to swallow fistfuls of painkillers and ordered to gouge out her eyes with scissors. The attacker glued her lips shut and gagged her with duct tape before torching her apartment.

The defense had tried unsuccessfully to have Williams declared mentally unfit to stand trial.

biko

Seriously crazy MF

She said Rikers Island officials found that Williams had wrapped two razor blades in tissue paper, put them in a balloon and stuffed them into his rectum "in anticipation of being forced to participate in a May 22 lineup."
"The defendant sought to arm himself and cause some harm to law enforcement officials," she said.
Though a metal detector found the blades before Williams could use them

But stupid (luckily for the girl)

But then Robert Williams made the mistake of spitting into a police station wastebasket - giving authorities the evidence they needed to link him to the ghastly attack

Dudess

Wow, so he wasn't even considered nuts. That's some evil bastard. Good riddance...

R0ot

Piste wrote: »

She should be allowed to have her revenge in any way she wants.

^^ this!

barnacle

Any relation to good aul' Joe F?

Heisenberg.

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il gatto

Could be worse. An Irish court would've given him a moderate sentence and let him out in 5-7. America might have alot of issues, but their legal system punishes people accordingly. New York doesn't have the death sentence, but tbh if that was my sister/cousin/friend, I'd want him to die. People should try to put themselves in her place or her family's before claiming capital punishment is wrong. Depravity, torture, rape, violence etc. should be punished like for like. An eye for an eye imo.

Beau x1

I have a pretty high tolerance when it comes to cases such as these, but this is just sick. Definitely one of the sickest things I've read in a long, long time.