Barry Transfer Saga, will he go to Liverpool

DSB

monkey9 wrote: »

At last, can we assume that you've finally run out of stupid, basic lack of footballing knowledge, bitter, pointless and completely **** stirring points of view that you have to bizarrely quote some random poster from a Villa forum?
Brilliant. Close the claret and blue door behind you, 'sunshine'.

Hahahaha. Talk about making an arse out of yourself.

Bubs101

Pyjamarama wrote: »

I don't get why Gerrard shouldn't have said he wanted to play with Barry... I'm sure if you asked Ashley Young would he like to play alongside Messi at Villa PArk next season he'd tell you he'd love Messi to sign.

As a Chelsea fan I assumed the only motive he had was to try and force himself into the midfield with Barry as his partner as opposed to Lamps. A club midfield two is going to be appealing to any national manager with a misfiring midfield

Bounty Hunter

~Rebel~ wrote: »

<edit> oops beaten by Bounty

yeah but you put him in his place with much more detail than I:D

what The General says is far more relative to the topic than anything we can say as he is actually informed on whats happening behind the scenes. He also relays some (he's not stupid after all) of these details directly to Villa fans in a way that most clubs fans should be envious of IMO. he spends hours responding to questions on several different Villa forums such as VitalVilla and Villatalk.

Mr Alan

Bubs101 wrote: »

As a Chelsea fan I assumed the only motive he had was to try and force himself into the midfield with Barry as his partner as opposed to Lamps. A club midfield two is going to be appealing to any national manager with a misfiring midfield

already Englands first choice midfielder, it may be a reason for Barry to want the move, but not for Gerrard.

invincibleirish

monkey9 wrote: »

At last, can we assume that you've finally run out of stupid, basic lack of footballing knowledge, bitter, pointless and completely **** stirring points of view that you have to bizarrely quote some random poster from a Villa forum?
Brilliant. Close the claret and blue door behind you, 'sunshine'.

monkey9

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

that random poster is a Aston Villa director and Randy Lerner's right hand man:rolleyes:

Random poster, director..whatever. It's still using someone else's quotes as if that's the end of the arguement. As if case closed! What's the point, they're attributed to someone at Villa, yeah well there's only gonna be one point of view in that case.

Mr Alan

I can put up loads of quotes from Gillette and Hicks if you'd like, about how they'd move us onto the next level, respect our clubs traditions etc etc.....

I'm not saying the general is in the same boat as them by a long shot, but at the same time, he is telling the Villa fans wat they want to hear. villa fans need to realise this.

Bounty Hunter

of couse its still using someone elses quote, someone who knows a lot more abbout the actual situation than we do and someone who doesent base their info off what the papers and SSN says.

We know he isnt going to come out and say things that would anger Villa fans (were arent dumb) but he isnt also come out with statements that the club will prove wrong i.e if he says something like Barry wont leave for 15m then unless something maor changes you would expect Barry to go for more or stay, otherwise why would he say it afterall he is an official repreentative of the club a director and personal friend of the Chairman.

if you read any of his post on these forums he comes across as a very open and honest guy who is very intelligent and who goes out of his way to do what he does. just ask Mr Alan

Mr Alan wrote: »

read a lot of the "generals" sticky on Villa Talk this evening, nice fella. great idea him doing that.

Mr Alan

Bounty hunter;me and you have talked about this in a more rational way than a lot of Villa fans are able to, and you do a good job of seeing both sides of the argument.

so if next week or whenever Barry meets with Villa and says, look Martin, i no longer want to be at this club, Liverpool have made an offer which is fair and reasonable, i want you to accept it.

what do you think MON will say?

Villain

Mr Alan wrote: »

so if next week or whenever Barry meets with Villa and says, look Martin, i no longer want to be at this club, Liverpool have made an offer which is fair and reasonable, i want you to accept it.

what do you think MON will say?

You might think its fair and reasonable I don't and I'm the Boss! end

invincibleirish

Mr Alan wrote: »

what do you think MON will say?

£20m

MementoMori

Casts some further light on the matter

From the BBC website

2046: BBC analyst Martin O'Neill is asked about the Gareth Barry situation. "I think that might be difficult [to hang onto him]. He's told me he fancies going to Liverpool. That's a big setback to us. But the offer that Liverpool have made is just not acceptable."

Personally i'd be kinda surprised and disappointed if Liverpool make another offer

Mr Alan

Villain wrote: »

You might think its fair and reasonable I don't and I'm the Boss! end

Do you think that is the way football works nowadays?

It really is all about player power nowadays, no Club, not Real Madrid,Manchester Utd,Liverpool,AC Milan.....can keep a player who wants to leave, unless they dont play him till the end of his contract.

read the quote from O'Neill saying that he wouldnt keep a player who wasnt happy to be there. I dont think Barry will be happy at 15m being turned down at all.

I was re-reading the Villa thread earlier from when the story broke, most wanted 10-12m for him, incl yourself iirc. Suddenly he is worth 20m? come on.....everyone wanted the fair market price to be paid....the Villa fans are being blinded by the dollar signs in their eyes.

Market prices are dictated by buyers, not sellers. NO ONE will pay 20m for Barry, so that is not his market price.
At the moment, there is only one potential buyer for Barry, Liverpool, we deem the market price for him to be 15 million. Most reasonable fans agree thats a fair price even taking into todays inflated market prices. Yet villa and MON are dragging their heals kicking up a stink, i'd be shocked if he went for anymore. and wouldnt want him for anymore.

invincibleirish

Mr Alan wrote: »

I can put up loads of quotes from Gillette and Hicks if you'd like, about how they'd move us onto the next level, respect our clubs traditions etc etc.....

Have they? do they?

fair enough Ziege was tapped up under the previous regime but aside from that have H&G really moved Liverpool to the next level and respect club traditions?


I think not, so dont compare General Krulak with whatever mouthpiece is employed at Anfield.

Villain

You know its media speculation that Liverpool offered 15 million it could have been 10 million really, nobody here knows.

Mr Alan

Invincibleirish, once again your bitterness has blinded you and are talking nonsense, totally missing the point i was making.

Newsflash: Rich businessmen often are economical with the truth!

I'm not implying that GK is anything like G&H, simply pointing out that him talking on those forums is for PR and to guage fans reactions to things....at the end of the day, he and Lerner will do wat they want irregarless of wat the fans think, dont forget that.

*just to re-emphasis, i am not slating the General-i think wat he does is great BUT he is not your mate is all i am saying.

invincibleirish

Mr Alan wrote: »

Do you think that is the way football works nowadays?

It really is all about player power nowadays, no Club, not Real Madrid,Manchester Utd,Liverpool,AC Milan.....can keep a player who wants to leave, unless they dont play him till the end of his contract.

read the quote from O'Neill saying that he wouldnt keep a player who wasnt happy to be there. I dont think Barry will be happy at 15m being turned down at all.

I was re-reading the Villa thread earlier from when the story broke, most wanted 10-12m for him, incl yourself iirc. Suddenly he is worth 20m? come on.....everyone wanted the fair market price to be paid....the Villa fans are being blinded by the dollar signs in their eyes.

Market prices are dictated by buyers, not sellers. NO ONE will pay 20m for Barry, so that is not his market price.
At the moment, there is only one potential buyer for Barry, Liverpool, we deem the market price for him to be 15 million. Most reasonable fans agree thats a fair price even taking into todays inflated market prices. Yet villa and MON are dragging their heals kicking up a stink, i'd be shocked if he went for anymore. and wouldnt want him for anymore.

Again i read your subtext, take the 15m or Liverpool will walk away, i doubt MON gives a toss what ' reasonable fans agree thats a fair price even taking into todays inflated market prices' because you just made that up and has no relevance. Your risible attempt at introducing economics teaches us nothing, Liverpool have forced this transfer, NOT Villa, if they want the player they pay the asking price.

Villa have rejected a bid today, come back with a bid that matches Villas valuation.

DSB

Liverpool do not deem his market price. Villa do. For the simple reason that Villa do not necessarily have to sell. It may or may not be in our best interests depending on exactly whats been said behind the scenes, which none of us know. If Liverpool don't meet that price, he doesn't go. But Liverpool will probably meet the asking price and Villa will be the ultimate winners:D

And Liverpool can go back to finishing 4th in the league with Rafa keeping his job by winning a few European games.

invincibleirish

Mr Alan wrote: »

Invincibleirish, once again your bitterness has blinded you and are talking nonsense, totally missing the point i was making.

Newsflash: Rich businessmen often are economical with the truth!

I'm not implying that GK is anything like G&H, simply pointing out that him talking on those forums is for PR and to guage fans reactions to things....at the end of the day, he and Lerner will do wat they want irregarless of wat the fans think, dont forget that.

*just to re-emphasis, i am not slating the General-i think wat he does is great BUT he is not your mate is all i am saying.

Look its ok, Liverpools owners are pr*cks, i wouldnt believe a word of what H&G says either, but dont smear all American owners with the same brush, Gen Krulak and Randy Lerner have proven to be honourable men so far and i doubt they are going to do anything to change that anytime soon.

Mr Alan

invincibleirish wrote: »

Liverpool have forced this transfer, NOT Villa, if they want the player they pay the asking price

again, i'm not saying it as a threat, i dont think we can afford nor would Rafa pay 20m for him when he could get the Moutinho/VanDerVaart or other such players for similar, in fact, less money.

Liverpool cant FORCE anything mate, all they can do is bid for a player which they have done, only one man can FORCE it, and it sounds like to me he has started.....

BBC analyst Martin O'Neill is asked about the Gareth Barry situation. "I think that might be difficult [to hang onto him]. He's told me he fancies going to Liverpool. That's a big setback to us.

Villain

Mr Alan wrote: »

Do you think that is the way football works nowadays?

It really is all about player power nowadays, no Club, not Real Madrid,Manchester Utd,Liverpool,AC Milan.....can keep a player who wants to leave, unless they dont play him till the end of his contract.

read the quote from O'Neill saying that he wouldnt keep a player who wasnt happy to be there. I dont think Barry will be happy at 15m being turned down at all.

I was re-reading the Villa thread earlier from when the story broke, most wanted 10-12m for him, incl yourself iirc. Suddenly he is worth 20m? come on.....everyone wanted the fair market price to be paid....the Villa fans are being blinded by the dollar signs in their eyes.

Market prices are dictated by buyers, not sellers. NO ONE will pay 20m for Barry, so that is not his market price.
At the moment, there is only one potential buyer for Barry, Liverpool, we deem the market price for him to be 15 million. Most reasonable fans agree thats a fair price even taking into todays inflated market prices. Yet villa and MON are dragging their heals kicking up a stink, i'd be shocked if he went for anymore. and wouldnt want him for anymore.

You know I think that depends on the Club, Player and Manager. If we were talking about Ellis, O'Leary and say Merson and a club were offering a good sum and the player wanted to go he'd be out the door before he say goodbye, but in that scenario Villa are a selling club, tight for cash under a owner who wanted to balance the books and a manager who wasn't that head strong and a player who had no real tie to a club.

Then you have the situation where a Club is wealthy and owned by a man who wants to spend money to build the club and has a manager who is tough and won't sell to a rival who has p*ssed him off unless its for a price that overvalues the player and while Barry wants to go I honestly believe that if MON can buy players of good quality and build a team around him and tell Barry that Liverpool haven't made an offer which he will accept, he will be happy to stay

zing

Fresh comments from MON from BBC tonight ?
http://www.premiershiplatest.com/news/aston-villa-boss-martin-oneill-admits-ga-5510886.html
Confirms that Barry has indicated that he wants to go to. Understandably he's trying to hold out for as much as he can for the player.

Bounty Hunter

Mr Alan wrote: »

Bounty hunter;me and you have talked about this in a more rational way than a lot of Villa fans are able to, and you do a good job of seeing both sides of the argument.

so if next week or whenever Barry meets with Villa and says, look Martin, i no longer want to be at this club, Liverpool have made an offer which is fair and reasonable, i want you to accept it.

what do you think MON will say?

"this is the valuation weve set Gareth, if Liverpool meet it you can go, though I still maintain you have a huge future ahead of you at Villa Park and that includes playing champions league football. We arent going to keep you here against your will but this club isnt in the business of selling our top players to competitors so the ball is in Liverpools Court to make a bid that not just you think is fair but one that myself, the chairan and the fans will accept."

apparently MON was on BBC for the euros earlier and might have mentioned when probed that Barry has said as we all know that he would like to play Chapions league football and that Liverpool are offering that so he would strongley consider an offer if one was accepted by Villa, but no bids had been accepted.

invincibleirish

What MON said is that after Barry came back from international duty recently he had a word with him and Barry said he wants to go.

He said Liverpool made a bid and they rejected it. He said nothing about how any future bids might be received.

He then talked about how frustrating it was for situations like this to occur when trying to build a team.

Gary Lineker made a bad joke about a **** defender and Villa prior to all this.

Mr Alan

another one from the General.

As you all know, I have no part in transfers.

invincibleirish

Mr Alan wrote: »

again, i'm not saying it as a threat, i dont think we can afford nor would Rafa pay 20m for him when he could get the Moutinho/VanDerVaart or other such players for similar, in fact, less money.

Liverpool cant FORCE anything mate, all they can do is bid for a player which they have done, only one man can FORCE it, and it sounds like to me he has started.....

Liverpool are selling Alonso and have a pot of TV money same as all teams, yes They can afford £20m.

And if you're subtly implying that Barry is going to force a transfer then go ahead, but much has been made of his alleged 'professionalism', hopefully this will mean he will understand that unless an acceptable bid is received he cant go, that seems fair to me. Unless of course you suggest he goes Pierre Van Hoojidank on us? you arent are you?....

Bounty Hunter

of couse he has no part in tranfers and in a hell of a lot of threads he says thathe cant comment on transfer until they are done deals as that is MON's domain, but he does have details on the "saga" for instance I would assume that the Villa management believe that Liverpool started the media snitstorm by leaking the bid because of his comment

"The key point is that whatever has been done, it has been done professionally and according to what real sportmen do...which is not run our issues thru the B'ham Mail.

which was in the original post quoting General K by InvincibleIrish.

as ive said before im shocked more of his comments (the David Gold one asside) haven been picked up by the media.

Mr Alan

invincibleirish wrote: »

Liverpool are selling Alonso and have a pot of TV money same as all teams, yes They can afford £20m.

LOL a little while ago you were slating us about being broke and not being able to afford a decent price! you just change your opinions to suit the argument eh?

we have other targets other than Barry i'm sure, he is not going to take up all our transfer money for the summer.

Villa fans are being blinded by greed and the stuff coming out of MONs mouth in relation to Barrys worth.

DSB

Mr Alan wrote: »

we have other targets other than Barry i'm sure, he is not going to take up all our transfer money for the summer.

Villa fans are being blinded by greed

Why oh why would Villa fans give a ****e about Liverpool or Barry?

Bounty Hunter

dont think Villa fans think Barry is worth 20m tbh. I also dont think Spurs fans thought Carrick was worth £18.6m but they were still able to get it. Im guessing Villa fans just think we should be able to get 18m+ even if Barry isnt worth that much

invincibleirish

Mr Alan wrote: »

LOL a little while ago you were slating us about being broke and not being able to afford a decent price! you just change your opinions to suit the argument eh?

.

wow you really got me on that one:rolleyes:

i dont know how much money Liverpool PLC has, do you?

I hope Liverpool have lots of money, that means Villa will get lots for Barry, i imagine whenever the Alonso deal is finalised then the Barry deal will be done immediately.

Mr Alan

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

I would assume that the Villa management believe that Liverpool started the media snitstorm by leaking the bid because of his comment which was in the original post quoting General K.

So lets get this straight,

GK (villa directer), when talking to AV fans about the possibility of them losing their captain, implied, that Liverpool are to blame, that they are the ones who started all this in the public domain?!

who would've thought it!

despite the undeniable fact that oneill was the one who confirmed wat up until that time was just a rumour in a tabloid newspaper.

come on bounty hunter

from reading the generals posts by the way, i would guess that The General/Randy Lerner spoke to O'Neill about his rants in the days after the offer, advising him they did not want things done in public like that....would explain his relative silence since.

invincibleirish

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

dont think Villa fans think Barry is worth 20m tbh. I also dont think Spurs fans thought Carrick was worth £18.6m but they were still able to get it. Im guessing Villa fans just think we should be able to get 18m+ even if Barry isnt worth that much

We have to remember that pesky sell on clause to Brighton, i guess if the deal is going to be 15m+ then it'll be something like £17.5m or something similar. Basically 15M + 2.5m clause to Brighton.

Mr Alan

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

dont think Villa fans think Barry is worth 20m tbh. I also dont think Spurs fans thought Carrick was worth £18.6m but they were still able to get it.

i agree, but you are ignoring the fact that Barry isnt worth 15 million! you are already pushing the boat out. 20m is taking the piss. rafa wouldnt pay an additional 2m (10m as opposed to 8m iirc)for Daniel Alves in 2005, cant see him being taken for a ride over Gareth Barry either.

Bounty Hunter

Yes as far as i know MON was the first to confirm what everyone seemingly already knew and from the interview he gave when confirming this he obviously wasnt happy with Liverpool or particular people at liverpool for how this was dealt with and how as i said everyone already knew about the bid. The Generals post referencing how Villa dont do business through the Birmingham mail also implies that the aston Villa director believes that other clubs (Pool) do business this way.

the fact that O'Neil was the first one to publicly talk about this and the way in which he did implies to me that something in the personal dealing between Rafa and himself angered the man, be it that exact information that was could only have come from one csource appearead in suggested papers or something else. His interview then came across as a well articulated FU to Rafa and his stance since IMO shows that something Rafa/LFC did (more so than going for Villa's captain) has really pissed him off and that had it whatever it is (im sure people like Krulak know) not occured we wouldent be talking about £20m as Barry's deal would already be settled.

monkey9

DSB wrote: »

Why oh why would Villa fans give a ****e about Liverpool or Barry?

........writes the Villa fan, incessantly on the Barry to Liverpool thread

DSB

monkey9 wrote: »

........writes the Villa fan, incessantly on the Barry to Liverpool thread

I give a ****e about Villa getting 20 million.

Mr Alan

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

The Generals post referencing how Villa dont do business through the Birmingham mail also implies that the aston Villa director believes that other clubs (Pool) do business this way.

with 99% of clubs in England, the most reliable source will be the local paper.

Reason? based in the same city and may have contacts within the club.simple as

There is a MASSIVE difference between that and publically stating in an interview that there has been a bid made.

O'Neills anger is obviously clouding his judgement here, and he could very well end up with a player angry at the club and not wanting to play for them anymore and Liverpool no longer willing to do business.

monkey9

Mr Alan wrote: »

with 99% of clubs in England, the most reliable source will be the local paper.

Reason? based in the same city and may have contacts within the club.simple as

There is a MASSIVE difference between that and publically stating in an interview that there has been a bid made.

O'Neills anger is obviously clouding his judgement here, and he could very well end up with a player angry at the club and not wanting to play for them anymore and Liverpool no longer willing to do business.

Not to mention the fact that MON has admitted live on air that Barry has asked him for a transfer to Liverpool in which i imagine was a private conversation. But then again, Villa seem to want to play this out in public so there isn't really a surprise there.

Boggles

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

dont think Villa fans think Barry is worth 20m tbh. I also dont think Spurs fans thought Carrick was worth £18.6m but they were still able to get it. Im guessing Villa fans just think we should be able to get 18m+ even if Barry isnt worth that much

The Carrick deal was never 18.6 million intially, United paid 14 million for him. The extra 4 odd was performance related. I understand the rest of this money was paid in 2 stages when United won the league last year and this year.

Rooney still isn't completely paid for, Everton got a windfall last month, but there is more to come if Rooney achieves certain criteria.

Clubs like Spurs and Everton can do these deals with the likes of United because they know there is a high chance they will see the full amount.

Villain

monkey9 wrote: »

Not to mention the fact that MON has admitted live on air that Barry has asked him for a transfer to Liverpool in which i imagine was a private conversation. But then again, Villa seem to want to play this out in public so there isn't really a surprise there.

LOL you know posting crap and presenting it as a fact doesn't make it a fact.

Villain

Also just to repeat it, the 15 million and 20 million figures been talked about in this thread are pure speculation.

I expect Barry will be sold for about 12 million with another 2 or 3 million in performance related payments. People need to remember that just because the media say its 15 million doesn't mean its true.

Mr Alan

Very true Villian, i expect roughly the same amount to paid hopefully.

gixerfixer

Mr Alan wrote: »

with 99% of clubs in England, the most reliable source will be the local paper.

Reason? based in the same city and may have contacts within the club.simple as

There is a MASSIVE difference between that and publically stating in an interview that there has been a bid made.

O'Neills anger is obviously clouding his judgement here, and he could very well end up with a player angry at the club and not wanting to play for them anymore and Liverpool no longer willing to do business.

That's the way im hoping this one pans out.

One Cold Hand

Well Villa have rejected a £12mil bid and also another higher bid, believed to be £13mil.....linky (not an actual source, F365 speculation).

Also on a different note, I don't like the bitterness that some Villa fans are showing towards Barry, with talk of booing on his return and hoping that he fails with Liverpool. I hope that the disappointment of losing Barry doesn't manifest itself in the form of bitterness to the player himself. I don't think anyone shold begrudge Barry the chance to prove himself in the big time. Villa are without steadily improving, but being realistic we're not going to challenge for CL for a number of years, and if we eventually do break through it may be when he's over the hill.
Barry owes Villa nothing. He's been our best performer for a number of years. He stuck with us through thick and thin. He's shown loyalty by staying when Villa were in relegation fights, just before MON joined. He deserves respect from the fans for all he has done for the club. He may not have left with the same dignity as Mellberg left, but he will always he a hero for me, due to his hard work, loyalty, consistency and leadership. He's waited 10 years for success at Villa and I won't disrespect him for showing ambition. He stayed when Randy and MON took over, but being fair, MON hasn't shown much ambition in the transfer market, despite improved results.

I understand that Villa fans are angry that Barry will more than likely leave. There's a number of reason for this angry: the way Liverpool have dealt with the whole thing; the fact that we are losing our most important player; but I hope the fans will remember all the good thing he has done, and don't be angry with him. These moves are commonplace now. Players that have proved to be really good have done it (Ferdinand, Rooney, Lampard) and players that have proved to be not so good have done it (Pennant, Sidwell, Saha and tonnes of others!). In one respect I hope that Liverpool have a really good season and Barry proves to be their most important and consistant player (in another way I hope they blow up and Villa pip them for 4th!).

I haven't posted much on this topic as so much of it is up in the air, but I just wanted to give my opinion on some of the views given here.

monkey9

One Cold Hand wrote: »

Well Villa have rejected a £12mil bid and also another higher bid, believed to be £13mil.....linky (not an actual source, F365 speculation).

Also on a different note, I don't like the bitterness that some Villa fans are showing towards Barry, with talk of booing on his return and hoping that he fails with Liverpool. I hope that the disappointment of losing Barry doesn't manifest itself in the form of bitterness to the player himself. I don't think anyone shold begrudge Barry the chance to prove himself in the big time. Villa are without steadily improving, but being realistic we're not going to challenge for CL for a number of years, and if we eventually do break through it may be when he's over the hill.
Barry owes Villa nothing. He's been our best performer for a number of years. He stuck with us through thick and thin. He's shown loyalty by staying when Villa were in relegation fights, just before MON joined. He deserves respect from the fans for all he has done for the club. He may not have left with the same dignity as Mellberg left, but he will always he a hero for me, due to his hard work, loyalty, consistency and leadership. He's waited 10 years for success at Villa and I won't disrespect him for showing ambition. He stayed when Randy and MON took over, but being fair, MON hasn't shown much ambition in the transfer market, despite improved results.

I understand that Villa fans are angry that Barry will more than likely leave. There's a number of reason for this angry: the way Liverpool have dealt with the whole thing; the fact that we are losing our most important player; but I hope the fans will remember all the good thing he has done, and don't be angry with him. These moves are commonplace now. Players that have proved to be really good have done it (Ferdinand, Rooney, Lampard) and players that have proved to be not so good have done it (Pennant, Sidwell, Saha and tonnes of others!). In one respect I hope that Liverpool have a really good season and Barry proves to be their most important and consistant player (in another way I hope they blow up and Villa pip them for 4th!).

I haven't posted much on this topic as so much of it is up in the air, but I just wanted to give my opinion on some of the views given here.

At last, a Villa fan that makes sense. Cos the other lot were really doing Villa a disservice with their randon, bitter ****e!! (Except for Bounty Hunter)

aidan24326

Villa should take the money and let him go. He's a good solid player but is probably being over-hyped, and I don't think Liverpool fans should be overly disappointed if they don't get him.

monkey9

Villain wrote: »

LOL you know posting crap and presenting it as a fact doesn't make it a fact.

Oh does it not? Sorry, my mistake. It's just that when i heard O'Neill say that on air, i assumed he was actually saying it on air and that i was there listening to it. Didn't realise it was all imaginary and that i'm actually living in John Malkovich's head!

invincibleirish

monkey9 wrote: »

Oh does it not? Sorry, my mistake. It's just that when i heard O'Neill say that on air, i assumed he was actually saying it on air and that i was there listening to it. Didn't realise it was all imaginary and that i'm actually living in John Malkovich's head!

Look you were the one burned earlier with your epic fail about me & G Krulak, and then you start talking ****e about other Villa fans without adding anything to the thread, at least Mr Alan makes contributions, all you're doing is living up to your username:rolleyes:.

~Rebel~

Villain wrote: »

LOL you know posting crap and presenting it as a fact doesn't make it a fact.

What was crap about that post? I was watching too...MON is punditing on the BEEB...he was asked about what was going on by Lineker, and said exactly what monkey said above, that he'd had a chat with Barry after he'd returned from holidays, and Barry said to him that he wanted to move to liverpool. Thats what monkey said, its what MON said...no crap there..

invincibleirish wrote: »

Look you were the one burned earlier with your epic fail about me & G Krulak, and then you start talking ****e about other Villa fans without adding anything to the thread, at least Mr Alan makes contributions, all you're doing is living up to your username:rolleyes:.

and invincibleirish what pray tell did your last post add to the thread? are you familier with pots and kettles?