Because I'm not bitter - (it was 20 years ago today)

mike65

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okqR2zEIJH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okqR2zEIJHY&feature=related

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP2HR3PZX-M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP2HR3PZX-M&feature=related

Mike.

gucci

Darn youtube bans at work, what are we bitter about?
+edit+ Oh ray houghton! the best Scottish footballer ever...to play for Oireland!

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Oh my jesus.

It was twenty bleedin' years ago.

"Des" Cahill has "Big Jack" on tonight, and Morning Ireland were doing a feature this morning too.

FFS, people complain about "the brits" going on about their WC win.

But this is just embarrassing.

Not a dig at you Mike, not at all, I just hate this shít of celebrating a win that happened all that time ago.

So what?

zAbbo

Yup he's right, Houghton isn't Irish and he certainly sold himself out on that clip

Sherifu

Says more about the current state of play than anything else.

mike65

DefF I agree entirely (England 66 and all that) but I also know if I didn't start this someone sure would have and I just thought I'd get my punch in from the moral high ground first!

Mike.

zAbbo

May as well celebrate it.

European Championships record

* 1960-1984 - Did not qualify
* 1988 - First Round
* 1992-2008 - Did not qualify

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zAbbo wrote: »

May as well celebrate it.

May as well celebrate qualifying for a tournament twenty years ago?

Whatever you're into mate, but I call that minnowism.

Ireland didn't even come out of the group ffs.

I say we celebrate drawing with Egypt in Italia 90 instead. At least we qualified from the group that time.

So what, we beat England, big swinging mickey.

Oh, right, they are The Auld Enemy.

Fúck sake.

gucci

zAbbo wrote: »

May as well celebrate it.

European Championships record

* 1960-1984 - Did not qualify
* 1988 - First Round
* 1992-2008 - Did not qualify

Wow....go on, start listing out the fantastic nations of football powers that have better European records than us.....

Eirebear

Ah Des calm down, a bit of nostalgia is what makes football fans tick.

Ok i understand the TV coverage is a wee bit overboard, but a youtube clip on a football forum isnt exactly going overboard.

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Eirebear wrote: »

Ah Des calm down, a bit of nostalgia is what makes football fans tick.

Ok i understand the TV coverage is a wee bit overboard, but a youtube clip on a football forum isnt exactly going overboard.

I was talking about "Des" Cahill getting "Big Jack" on to the rayjo later.

And I'm telling you, Houghton would probably complain about the defending for the goal anyway.

zAbbo

Swing and a miss lads, I know it's nothing to celebrate.

Don't get me wrong, I was highlighting our abysmal Euros record, only every qualifying once...

Looking at it, I know we didn't progress past the first round, but those were the days with only 8 teams in the finals, and we were slightly unlucky coming third

mike65

You can be certain it'll be on Euro 08 coverage tonight

Billo - Lads can you belive its 20 years ago today?

John - It was a great achivement at the time Bill - a breakthrough

Eamo - Ah Bill c'mon now, it was great at the time but it never did lead to any geniune breakthrough due to the way Jack had us playing.

Chippy - I wasn't even there Bill

Mike,

Eirebear

DesF wrote: »

I was talking about "Des" Cahill getting "Big Jack" on to the rayjo later.

And I'm telling you, Houghton would probably complain about the defending for the goal anyway.

It could be worse, it could be the scotland team who beat england at wembley in 1967.....in a friendly......

(Ok they did rip the complete and utter piss out of them, but still)

gucci

mike65 wrote: »

You can be certain it'll be on Euro 08 coverage tonight

Billo - Lads can you belive its 20 years ago today?

John - It was a great achivement at the time Bill - a breakthrough

Eamo - Ah Bill c'mon now, it was great at the time but it never did lead to any geniune breakthrough due to the way Jack had us playing.

Chippy - If I had knew that was in the bag Bill, I wouldnt have came on the show tonight

Mike,

Fixed

A Dub in Glasgo

Some of those complaining probably do not even remember the time. It was a glorious win in an otherwise desert of crap. The nostalgia is excellent.

Dave!

If I had knew that was in the bag Bill, I wouldnt have came on the show tonight

LOL

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A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Some of those complaining probably do not even remember the time. It was a glorious win in an otherwise desert of crap. The nostalgia is excellent.

I most certainly remember it.

It was a fantastic time, no doubt.

But it was 20 years ago.

kenco

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JerryHandbag

Yeah 20 yrs ago, but it was the closest we came to actually making a real impact on european football, 8 mins away from the LAST 4! All downhill from there though I'm afraid .....

Johnny Utah

Brian Moore:


.........the boy from Donegal, where some people tell me it's pronounced boner.



:D:D

Pepe LeFrits

DesF wrote: »

May as well celebrate qualifying for a tournament twenty years ago?

Whatever you're into mate, but I call that minnowism.

But we ARE minnows, Des.

Maybe not ‘celebrate’, but I don't think there's anything wrong with looking back affectionately at Houghton’s goal in Euro 88. It may be highlighting our abysmal qualifying record, but all the same, it was a big moment in our sporting (or soccer, at least) history and as a minnow we don't get many of them... especially not lately.

Here’s to the ‘glorious’ past! I look forward to the 25th of June 2010 and the 18th of June 2014!

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Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

But we ARE minnows, Des.

I know that.

Some people don't accept it though, and it is these people who do the most shouting at times like this.

stovelid

Noun

minnow (plural minnows)

1. A small freshwater fish of the carp family.
2. More generally, any small fish.
3. (soccer) A low-level team, in comparison to their opponents.

jprender

In fairness, it was one of the highest points in the history of the national team.

No harm in remembering a better time.


Could be another 20 years before we do anything similar.

estebancambias

jprender wrote: »

In fairness, it was one of the highest points in the history of the national team.

No harm in remembering a better time.


Could be another 20 years before we do anything similar.

LOL...20 years until we do something similar? Qualify for a tournament and not even reach the knockout round? We will qualify for 2012, if not for the World cup, cause' their increasing the number of teams.

Des, how are we minnows?

We have finished third and fourth with a 'good' level of points since 2002. But we still finished third.

We didn't qualify for 2004, because we ****ed up BOTH of our home games. If we had beaten the Swiss at home we would have qualifed...

2006, we lost one match against FRANCE!!!!!! The eventual world cup finalists.

2008, was a disaster, but it was the managers fault.

Fratton Fred

DesF wrote: »

Oh my jesus.

It was twenty bleedin' years ago.

"Des" Cahill has "Big Jack" on tonight, and Morning Ireland were doing a feature this morning too.

FFS, people complain about "the brits" going on about their WC win.

But this is just embarrassing.

Not a dig at you Mike, not at all, I just hate this shít of celebrating a win that happened all that time ago.

So what?

800 years though Des, 800 years;):D

patmac

Fratton Fred wrote: »

800 years though Des, 800 years;):D

I was working in London at the time on the buildings and we had overtime that morning any way the pubs were closed between 2 and 4 in them days and a co-worker called Demo Den said he knew a pub which was open and off we headed to Ladbroke Grove, so just before we entered he said it was best I kept quiet and that my name was Paul. Anyway the game starts and there is me and about 20 other skinheads all members of the notorious Chelsea Headhunters complete with Union Jack teeshirts and tatoos of the Queen sitting at the bar and watching the game. It was not as enjoyable as some people made it out to be with a few trips to the toilet to celebrate by punching the air silently and then heading back to my seat with my best Funeral Directors face on and saying in my best Cockney accent 'fcking terrible innit.' So when the Final whistle went I walked out in disgust at the pathetic England performance and did a little jig outside the pub and headed to Ealing to join in the celebrations and started to speak normally again.

Nothing wrong with looking back at the rare ol' times imo.

gucci

Haha great story....can imagine ya out in the jacks celebrating alright!!

jprender

estebancambias wrote: »

LOL...20 years until we do something similar? Qualify for a tournament and not even reach the knockout round? We will qualify for 2012, if not for the World cup, cause' their increasing the number of teams.

Des, how are we minnows?

We have finished third and fourth with a 'good' level of points since 2002. But we still finished third.

We didn't qualify for 2004, because we ****ed up BOTH of our home games. If we had beaten the Swiss at home we would have qualifed...

2006, we lost one match against FRANCE!!!!!! The eventual world cup finalists.

2008, was a disaster, but it was the managers fault.

Qualifying back then was a lot more difficult, and getting out of the group meant a semi-finals. That team was without a doubt the most successful team. Its a shame you missed it.

We are without a doubt minnows on the European Soccer scene. In the third tier of nations at the very most, which in my eyes constitutes minnowdom.
I cant imagine Italy, Bulgaria or Cyprus for that matter, are quaking in their boots at the thought of playing us.

We are no longer good enough, so it is good to think of a great past victory.

estebancambias

As a Bulgaria fan:

I can't imagine Republic of Ireland, Italy or Cyprus shaking in their boots at the thought of playing us.


So what other teams do you class as minnows?

Poland?
Scotland?
Denmark?
Bulgaria?

We are 42nd in the world according to Fifa, and 30th according to ELO....this is not being minnows...this is probably in relation to our size probably standard...we just so happen to have players that tend to be pretty damn good, and produce them regulary enough. Keane, Given, Dunne, Duff etc.

Anyway, I think Des has lost the plot. Its not rejoicing over the victory its just celebrating something that happened 20 years ago to this day. Its not like every year we line the streets with elation celebrating the victory. It was our first win in a major tournament, and it happened to be at the expence of our former colonial master, which makes it a big deal.

chopperbyrne

Well someone had to post it....

Fratton Fred

patmac wrote: »

I was working in London at the time on the buildings and we had overtime that morning any way the pubs were closed between 2 and 4 in them days and a co-worker called Demo Den said he knew a pub which was open and off we headed to Ladbroke Grove, so just before we entered he said it was best I kept quiet and that my name was Paul. Anyway the game starts and there is me and about 20 other skinheads all members of the notorious Chelsea Headhunters complete with Union Jack teeshirts and tatoos of the Queen sitting at the bar and watching the game. It was not as enjoyable as some people made it out to be with a few trips to the toilet to celebrate by punching the air silently and then heading back to my seat with my best Funeral Directors face on and saying in my best Cockney accent 'fcking terrible innit.' So when the Final whistle went I walked out in disgust at the pathetic England performance and did a little jig outside the pub and headed to Ealing to join in the celebrations and started to speak normally again.

Nothing wrong with looking back at the rare ol' times imo.

That's a good story, I like it.:D

I remember when Ireland played England at Wembley in a world cup qualifier and the "Master Race" went on a rampage through Kilburn beforehand.:rolleyes:

That was a nil nil draw (Lee Sharpe's first game for Negland I recall) which meant Ireland qualified along with England.

KevIRL

Of course its good to remember this one fondly.

- Our first ever major final tournament
- First game
- Completely written off
- Playing one of the teams fancied to win the tournament
- Playing our nearest neighbours
- Winning the game 1-0

Its not fair to compare to the English obsession with '1966 and all that'. It pops up now cause its the 20th anniversary and also cause there's a European Championship on.

So lighten up Des et al and enjoy the nostalgia

I remember watching the game on Woodstown beach in Waterford, a fella had a telly set up in the back of his van. We were all doing Ray Houghton headers in the water for about 2 hours afterwards

Coillte_Bhoy

Great that it's being remembered. Many of the younger posters just dont realise the huge signifigance of that day. The country went absolutely nuts incl people with no interest in football. Same as Italia 90, when me and my mates reminicse about those days the young lads with their EPL obsessions just dont get it. Magic days and never to be repeated.

Coillte_Bhoy

Fratton Fred wrote: »

That's a good story, I like it.:D

I remember when Ireland played England at Wembley in a world cup qualifier and the "Master Race" went on a rampage through Kilburn beforehand.:rolleyes:

That was a nil nil draw (Lee Sharpe's first game for Negland I recall) which meant Ireland qualified along with England.

You're mistaken there mate. Are you thinking of the Euro 92 qualifier?? WE completely outplayed them and drew 1-1 but they ended up qualifying and we didnt.

Guy:Incognito

estebancambias wrote: »

As a Bulgaria fan:

I can't imagine Republic of Ireland, Italy or Cyprus shaking in their boots at the thought of playing us.


So what other teams do you class as minnows?

Poland?
Scotland?
Denmark?
Bulgaria?

We are 42nd in the world according to Fifa, and 30th according to ELO....this is not being minnows...this is probably in relation to our size probably standard...we just so happen to have players that tend to be pretty damn good, and produce them regulary enough. Keane, Given, Dunne, Duff etc.

Anyway, I think Des has lost the plot. Its not rejoicing over the victory its just celebrating something that happened 20 years ago to this day. Its not like every year we line the streets with elation celebrating the victory. It was our first win in a major tournament, and it happened to be at the expence of our former colonial master, which makes it a big deal.

Would you consider Guinea to be a minnow of world football?

Fratton Fred

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

You're mistaken there mate. Are you thinking of the Euro 92 qualifier?? WE completely outplayed them and drew 1-1 but they ended up qualifying and we didnt.

oh yeah. I had it in my mind that England had already qualified and Ireland needed a point, but the runners up didn't qualify that year. I remember UEFA sent an official along as pretty much every player on the pitch was English

Oh well, such is life. It was a long time ago

Coillte_Bhoy

Fratton Fred wrote: »

oh yeah. I had it in my mind that England had already qualified and Ireland needed a point, but the runners up didn't qualify that year. I remember UEFA sent an official along as pretty much every player on the pitch was English

Oh well, such is life. It was a long time ago

England had not qualified at this stage. We were well in contention to top the group and then blew a 3-1 lead away to Poland iirc. What are you on about a UEFA official being sent?? Of course there would be one there and as for every player being English??? WTF?


The line up that night was: Bonner, Irwin, Moran, O'Leary, Staunton, Houghton, McGrath, Townsend, Sheedy, Aldridge, Quinn.

Townsend and Aldridge the only English born players there. Sheedy Wesh born i think.

Are you on a wind up?

OPENROAD

DesF wrote: »

Oh my jesus.


FFS, people complain about "the brits" going on about their WC win.

Bit harsh it was a great lift for the country at the time that said you are right in a way, we always complain about the English and someone on this board even had a go at the BBC the other night because they ran an interview with Fabio Capello.


That said back on topic remember it was Kenny Sansom that made the mistake for the goal

finbarrk

I was in Stuttgart that day, in the terrace behind the goals, it was some occasion. Some of the people ranting on this post don't realise the significance of the victory.
It was a great trip but that day in Stuttgart was very tense in town before and after the match. There were a few minor incidents before the match so we decided to get out of town after the match, by train to Heidelberg where we partied the night away in safety!
Its an occasion that is in my top 5 anyway.

Fratton Fred

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

England had not qualified at this stage. We were well in contention to top the group and then blew a 3-1 lead away to Poland iirc. What are you on about a UEFA official being sent?? Of course there would be one there and as for every player being English??? WTF?


The line up that night was: Bonner, Irwin, Moran, O'Leary, Staunton, Houghton, McGrath, Townsend, Sheedy, Aldridge, Quinn.

Townsend and Aldridge the only English born players there. Sheedy Wesh born i think.

Are you on a wind up?

only pulling your leg pal.

I must be getting my games confused, I was at the match but I went to several key games 15 to 20 years ago.

(I'm English by the way;))

OPENROAD

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

The line up that night was: Bonner, Irwin, Moran, O'Leary, Staunton, Houghton, McGrath, Townsend, Sheedy, Aldridge, Quinn.

Townsend and Aldridge the only English born players there. Sheedy Wesh born i think.

Are you on a wind up?

Just for information O'leary born in England as was McGrath, Kevin Sheedy born Wales, Houghton in Scotland.

mormank

ray is clearly the man!! he did this for us a couple of times against top top teams...

estebancambias

OPENROAD wrote: »

Just for information O'leary born in England as was McGrath, Kevin Sheedy born Wales, Houghton in Scotland.

Yeah but to an Irish women, who met his dad in Dublin. She just went to London for him to be born.

estebancambias

Stekelly wrote: »

Would you consider Guinea to be a minnow of world football?

On first sights...yes I would.

But having seen their results of course not.

Pigman II

Haha, England haven't beaten us in 20 years. Nice.

OPENROAD

estebancambias wrote: »

Yeah but to an Irish women, who met his dad in Dublin. She just went to London for him to be born.

I was referring to a previous post in which the poster mentioned that only two of the players were BORN in England, I was just telling him that McGrath and O'leary were also BORN in London.

estebancambias

Yeah I know man, just saying.

Mr Alan

why the **** was there a 5 minute piece on the news about the England game 20 years ago?

how ****ing embarrasing

OPENROAD

estebancambias wrote: »

Yeah I know man, just saying.