Political correctness

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Cool_CM

Yes and so is everywhere else, it's f*cking ridiculous. At least Australia is still holding out

Sherifu

Racists.

marcsignal

yes, but just try to ignore it, it's only for people who were spoilt as children, and don't understand the concept of mutual respect

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Dudess

Iolar wrote: »

Do you think Ireland is under siege by it?

No. We don't have crap like changing "baa baa black sheep" to "baa baa rainbow sheep" or forbidding Santa Claus impersonators from shouting "ho ho ho".

Ruu_Old

They all have lovely bottoms.

KnifeWRENCH

Dudess wrote: »

No. We don't have crap like changing "baa baa black sheep" to "baa baa rainbow sheep" or forbidding Santa Claus impersonators from shouting "ho ho ho".

Baa baa rainbow sheep? PMSL, never heard that one!!!

Worst one I heard was that a "Brain storm" should be called a "thought shower" since Brainstorm is offensive to epileptics! :pac:

billy the squid

square_igloo wrote: »

Baa baa rainbow sheep? PMSL, never heard that one!!!

Worst one I heard was that a "Brain storm" should be called a "thought shower" since Brainstorm is offensive to epileptics! :pac:

What is your problem with multicoloured ovines

Dudess

Yeah, that kinda crap - that to me is irrational political correctness. But we're hardly "besieged" by it.
OP, if you're referring to anti racism, then no, I definitely, definitely don't think Ireland is besieged by it.

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KnifeWRENCH

billy the squid wrote: »

What is your problem with multicoloured ovines

:eek::eek::eek:
You are accusing me of being a Racist.
EVERYONE LOOK, SLANDER ON BOARDS!!!

Gyalist

Dudess wrote: »

No. We don't have crap like changing "baa baa black sheep" to "baa baa rainbow sheep" or forbidding Santa Claus impersonators from shouting "ho ho ho".

The funny thing is that neither of those two stories you cited as examples of political correctness are even remotely true.

marcsignal

No joke, but the last time I was home I was watching Fr.Ted with my 7 year old nephew,
and he kept referring to 'Dougal' as the 'Special Needs' Priest :D

Dudess

Gyalist wrote: »

The funny thing is that neither of those two stories you cited as examples of political correctness is even remotely true.

Really? Oh well, true or untrue, it's the likes of those that I'd consider political correctness gone mad, not what's often boringly cited as same by certain posters here. I'm no bleeding heart either though.

Gyalist

Ho Ho Ho

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DublinWriter

Iolar wrote: »

Im actualy on about the kind of **** that people are afraid to speak out against for fear of been targeted as been racist-like in Britain

Damn right. I, for one, am glad that there is at least 150 shopping days to go before 'Winterval'.

marcsignal

Gyalist wrote: »

Ho Ho Ho

Holy Sh1t ! did you read the 1-7 on the Santa Faq ? What utter sh1te ! how the fcuk did all our grandparents survive 2 world wars, i ask ye ??

KnifeWRENCH

Gyalist wrote: »

Ho Ho Ho

Pfft! Facts schmacts.
It was much more entertaining when I thought it was true.

Dudess

Iolar wrote: »

Im actualy on about the kind of **** that people are afraid to speak out against for fear of been targeted as been racist-like in Britain

No, can't think of any examples. And it's certainly not enforced.

marcsignal

Ho Ho Ho !

Have a cool Winterval Kids !! :D


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KnifeWRENCH

Bit odd to be talking about Santa and Winterval in the middle of June!

jill_valentine

People who use the phrase "Political Correctness gone mad!" are almost invariably after saying something that would make Prince Philip himself think "Jesus, that's a bit off".

Which the OP didn't do, I just heard somebody say something absolutely appalling earlier on today, and then he tried to defend himself with that, so it's been on my mind. I mean, sure, there are some sensitive grey areas - potentially offensive words that have been adopted by the groups they apply to for instance - but what this guy said was not one of those times.

Lots of times Political Correctness has value. Problem is, the odd occasion when the idea is applied stupidly, it makes a better "It's a funny old world!" bit in the News Of The World.

marcsignal

square_igloo wrote: »

Bit odd to be talking about Santa and Winterval in the middle of June!

In Neverland it's winterval every day

jill_valentine wrote: »

Lots of times Political Correctness has value. Problem is, the odd occasion when the idea is applied stupidly, it makes a better "It's a funny old world!" bit in the News Of The World.

the original concept of PC'ness was really designed for the school environment to help people who were 'different' in some way (fat/skinny/specky/downright ugly/different ethnic group etc) enjoy the learning experience, without feeling uncomfortable.
In that respect/context it's fine. The downside of PC'ness is that it has, to some degree, stifled intellectual discussion, because when dealing with sensetive or immotive issues, people will nowadays just say the PC thing for fear of getting lashed out of it with a hysterical reaction for speaking their mind.

Finding the right balance is not easy, and I'm not going to try to pretend it is

Mahatma coat

Dudess wrote: »

No, can't think of any examples. And it's certainly not enforced.

I can think of a few. has you access to the Dark side?

Rb

I do think it has gone a bit OTT alright.

Residents Against Racism are prime examples of PC gone mad and an example of this would be when they went and defended the (illegal?) Afghans who were starving themselves in that church, one or two confessed to horrific crimes back home iirc, yet everyone who wanted them out was branded a racist.

We've went from being anti-immigrants to OTT pro-immigrants to the point where saying anything negative about them will have you branded a racist in a flash. You cannot critisise the immigrants in this country without being branded a racist or a xenophobe whatsoever.

Call Me Jimmy

Politically incorrect and proud motha****az! F**k the po-lice!

Dudess

jill_valentine wrote: »

People who use the phrase "Political Correctness gone mad!" are almost invariably after saying something that would make Prince Philip himself think "Jesus, that's a bit off".

Which the OP didn't do, I just heard somebody say something absolutely appalling earlier on today, and then he tried to defend himself with that, so it's been on my mind. I mean, sure, there are some sensitive grey areas - potentially offensive words that have been adopted by the groups they apply to for instance - but what this guy said was not one of those times.

Lots of times Political Correctness has value. Problem is, the odd occasion when the idea is applied stupidly, it makes a better "It's a funny old world!" bit in the News Of The World.

Spot on.

gogglebok

Iolar wrote: »

Do you think Ireland is under siege by it?

I don't feel remotely besieged by it. Why do you ask?

RealEstateKing

The kind of OTT political correctness that some people describe is far rarer than ordinary common-or-garden racism, which is ****in' everywhere in Ireland, due to our massive national inferiority complex.

Nolanger

PC is for idiots - the kind of people who removed Benny Hill from TV. Sad tossers who want us all to think the same way and be afraid to speak out against the moral majority.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Dudess wrote: »

No. We don't have crap like changing "baa baa black sheep" to "baa baa rainbow sheep" or forbidding Santa Claus impersonators from shouting "ho ho ho".

We now have 'chalk boards' (instead of black boards) and the nativity crib at St.James Hospital (Dublin) was removed due to protests from non-catholics.

And in some quarters now RTE's 'Angelus' is being called 'Call to Prayer'.

marcsignal

The whole PC thing started in the US, and as I said before, it was really something that was 'originally' confined to the college campus, as a matter of 'policy' to ensure all students felt comfortable in the learning environment.
We've all seen people bullied in school, it's not nice, and it cant be an experience that's conducive to 'learning' for the victim.
In that context I think it's fine, because everyone with a brain knows it's wrong to bully anyone else.

In The UK IMO it started to go crazy, because the English 'namby pambied' the whole thing in a typically British way, in an effort to be overly nice to everyone. Now you can understand that, to some degree, with their colonial legacy etc.

In Ireland unfortunately, in my experience anyway, it's a totally different animal altogether. It's abused to the hilt by groups like 'Residents Against Racism' purely to push their agenda, because they know, all they have to do, is point the finger at anyone who criticizes them, and call them a racist, and that's the opposition dealt with.

Then you also have the sancitmonious 'half cut spectacles' brigade, or the 'Pseudointellectia' who are IMO, just prudish gobsh1tes who delight in any opportunity to start clucking their tongues, and look down their noses at people. More often than not, they are the same people who will judge you, by the clothes you wear, or where you come from, without even taking 5 minutes to talk to you, or make any effort whatsoever to get to know you first.

These people do not understand Political Correctness at all, and have adopted the concept, and morphed it into a vehicle they use to patronise people. Particularlly people they consider to be below them, socially, or intellectually. These same 'self rightious' 'self obsessed' people wouldn't spit down your throat, if your back teeth were on fire. They are only interested in themselves, and are obsessed with some warped idea, about how they desperately want to be percieved by their peers.

As I said already OP, if they irritate you, just ignore them, they are Clowns, with a bad dose of piles from sitting upon their high horses.

Dudess

RealEstateKing wrote: »

The kind of OTT political correctness that some people describe is far rarer than ordinary common-or-garden racism, which is ****in' everywhere in Ireland, due to our massive national inferiority complex.

Like what? You're not the first to say that and yet I can't think of examples.

allabouteve

Cool_CM wrote: »

Yes and so is everywhere else, it's f*cking ridiculous. At least Australia is still holding out

To be fair, Australia has a less than fantastic record when dealing with minorities....a little political correctness would go a long way.

jill_valentine

Seriously though, what does it cost anybody to swap out a potentially offensive word with another one? So long as the intention is preserved it makes no difference to your freedom of speech, and it's just common courtesy if you know the other person might take offense.

Dudess

Dudess wrote: »

No. We don't have crap like changing "baa baa black sheep" to "baa baa rainbow sheep" or forbidding Santa Claus impersonators from shouting "ho ho ho".

The original version of "eeny, meeny, miny, mo" was racist, but black sheep, blackboards are not as they refer to the colour of the items not their race.

Would "clár dubh" be offensive?

Would Rastaferian sheep be offended by being called "rainbow" ?

EamonnKeane

jill_valentine wrote: »

Seriously though, what does it cost anybody to swap out a potentially offensive word with another one? So long as the intention is preserved it makes no difference to your freedom of speech, and it's just common courtesy if you know the other person might take offense.

It leads to obfuscation and the creeping stifling of debate. It can also promote controversial views, e.g. when politicians say "New Irish" instead of "immigrants" this is stating that (1) they see the concept of Irishness as so meaningless that a simple document can confer it; (2) immigrants lose their pre-arrival identities. I'm sure the London Irish would have loved the moniker "New English".

btw my favourite euphemism is "deaf" = "visually oriented"

marcsignal

jill_valentine wrote: »

Seriously though, what does it cost anybody to swap out a potentially offensive word with another one? So long as the intention is preserved it makes no difference to your freedom of speech, and it's just common courtesy if you know the other person might take offense.

Actually jill, in fairness to you, I kind of agree with you here.

Sure, I have no problem with the fact that 'Golly wog' ice creams changed the name to 'Golly bars' and that the 'einnie minni miney mo' nursery ryme is considered not exactly 'kosher' anymore. That I have no problem with, and, I believe, as I think you suggest, those decisions were rightfully dictated by common sense.

The thing that gets my back up, personally, is, that many of the people who 'nanny' us about Political Correctness, IMO, insult our intelligence by inferring that we have no understanding of common sense/mutual respect, and that we somehow need to be 'spoon-fed' this new 'clumsy & unnecessary' version of same. Having said that I fully agree with EamonnKeane (above) about the fact there is a real danger, if it gets out of control, that it will stifle intellectual and open discussion about certain sensitive issues.

I sometimes feel insulted by PC'ness tbh. I still prefer the concept of mutual respect, it still works quite well for me in my everyday life.

Tha Gopher

Mairt wrote: »

We now have 'chalk boards' (instead of black boards) and the nativity crib at St.James Hospital (Dublin) was removed due to protests from non-catholics.

And in some quarters now RTE's 'Angelus' is being called 'Call to Prayer'.

In fairness do schools even use chalk anymore?

As for the church related stuff it was most likely taken down by the same type of lunatics who post on the Athiest forum.

Anyway, overly political correct people are retarded, end of.

Marcus.Aurelius

Being politically correct means you can ignore everything. It means you don't have to make any decisions or take any responsibility. Everyone can do what they like, irrespective of decency or good manners.

Its really pathetic. If we had to make actual decisions we'd drop the PC rubbish in a heartbeat. e.g. rather than acknowledge the trouble with mass immigration, we just cover it in the "racist" blanket and ignore it.

Ziggurat

We're under siege? Ready the troops! Get some archers on those walls! We'll show those murderous bastards....what's that? "Bastards" is offensive to those without fathers?
Cursed swine! I always knew there was something not quite right about you; you must be in the service of Lord Inoffensive! Die cur!

turgon

Dudess wrote: »

Like what? You're not the first to say that and yet I can't think of examples.

Examples of racism??

Racism is built into Irish culture. It has gotten so deep that you might not even notice. Obviously this innate racism is directed at a) English people and even more so at b) Protestants.

But its not like (most) people go out and engage in direct racism. Its subtle. For example someone might say in jest "Damn Prody". It becomes a joke in the class: "hes a protestant". Not meant in anger, but we are just so used to seeing the protestants as bad, and the catholics as good, that now most people dont think twice.

Its the worst kind of racism to tackle, because these people dont see themselves as racist.

Agonist

I like the phrase "companion animal' instead of 'pet'. However, I've started calling my dog 'pet' as a postmodern statement of interspecies dialectic.


I still call a spade a spade though.

4Xcut

Mairt wrote: »

We now have 'chalk boards' (instead of black boards) and the nativity crib at St.James Hospital (Dublin) was removed due to protests from non-catholics.

And in some quarters now RTE's 'Angelus' is being called 'Call to Prayer'.

Was not that because a lot of them being made started to be green and it would make less sense to call them blackboards when they were green. I certainly remember a shift from black to green(very dark green) over the course of my schooling.

darkman2

Political Correctness - we are not 'besieged' yet but increasingly we are heading that direction. Take immigration for example. I regularly bring it up here because all rational logic suggest we are heading for major problems but ultimately some middle class guy will come on and berate me for daring to raise it. Then others come on backing said guy up. Yet they dont look at either the facts or the true consequences adequately because you just dont do that. Ask people in Holland how they feel about political correctness now and they will give you abrupt and frank answers after having a politician and artist butchered for daring to raise immigration.

Ziggurat

Is it just me or does practically every thread in AH come back to immigration at some point?
We get it, you don't like immigration: put up or shut up but ffs chose one.

Tha Gopher

Quinine wrote: »

Is it just me or does practically every thread in AH come back to immigration at some point?
We get it, you don't like immigration: put up or shut up but ffs chose one.

What a rather odd remark for a 3 post April 08èr.........

darkman2 wrote: »

Political Correctness - we are not 'besieged' yet but increasingly we are heading that direction. Take immigration for example. I regularly bring it up here because all rational logic suggest we are heading for major problems but ultimately some middle class guy will come on and berate me for daring to raise it. Then others come on backing said guy up.

Ah yes. Gotta love those people. Travellers are great and need all our help, just dont build a halt beside my house type of cnuts.

The boards PC brigade are retarded.

Ziggurat

Tha Gopher wrote: »

What a rather odd remark for a 3 post April 08èr.........

Because you need an account to view threads in AH, right? Oh wait...