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rookie_boarder wrote: »If you didn't mean to start the 50/50 debate, why did you post this?
You could have just read it, i did, i didn't post it
well i for one hadnt seen it and im quite glad that plugin did post it! no need to start gettin frisky about it because it was clearly stated that it was posted to be informative and not to cause a debate!
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wannabe2010 wrote: »I gotta n00b question for you all.. can someone break down/explain the whole merit thing for me? I haven't got that far yet like, still waitin to sit my IST.. just I've been reading on people's success stories and it got me wonderin how it all works.. Like, what does the pass rate usually range between (I realise this changes from campaign to campaign depending on how good everyone else does)? How are the marks awarded (I know you get points from IST and AC and all the things you have to do in each of them... but how many points is each worth etc)?
... This is probably a really annoying newbie message but hey it keeps you on your toes eh =p
When you have completed the Assessment Centre you will get feedback on your performance and a mark out of 70. You will need a certain score to pass and this may vary from campaign to campaign.
Before this you will receive a letter telling you whether you passed or failed the AC. If you receive a letter telling you you have passed the AC, it doesn't necessarily mean you have scored highly enough to go into the merit pool. In this case you will get another letter stating this. (Again scores will vary each year but for C15 I scored 48/70 and although this was a pass, I didn't go into merit pool).
If you have a high enough score, you will get placed in the merit pool. So if you score 70/70 your merit placing would be number 1. If more than one person scores 70/70 they will look back at your IST mark and then place you in order accordingly. (You can look through the archives to try and find scores/merits which have been successful - if it helps I know someone who started in Jan with an AC score of 57/70, but they never rang up about their merit).
Then the top 220 RC and 220 Non RC are selected. (After passing medical and vetting, and if 440 places).
Hope this helps and I'm sure someone with more knowledge will add information
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When you have completed the Assessment Centre you will get feedback on your performance and a mark out of 70. You will need a certain score to pass and this may vary from campaign to campaign.
Before this you will receive a letter telling you whether you passed or failed the AC. If you receive a letter telling you you have passed the AC, it doesn't necessarily mean you have scored highly enough to go into the merit pool. In this case you will get another letter stating this. (Again scores will vary each year but for C15 I scored 48/70 and although this was a pass, I didn't go into merit pool).
If you have a high enough score, you will get placed in the merit pool. So if you score 70/70 your merit placing would be number 1. If more than one person scores 70/70 they will look back at your IST mark and then place you in order accordingly. (You can look through the archives to try and find scores/merits which have been successful - if it helps I know someone who started in Jan with an AC score of 57/70, but they never rang up about their merit).
Then the top 220 RC and 220 Non RC are selected. (After passing medical and vetting, and if 440 places).
Hope this helps and I'm sure someone with more knowledge will add information
Thanks very much for that!!
Out of 70? All the merit scores I was reading, people were saying they were in the 600s etc
and some were saying they were in the 120s or something...? Was wondering how can both of those scores mean good things! Lol
What's normally (I'm throwing this term about as in my previous post) the pass rate for IST?0 -
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wannabe2010 wrote: »Thanks very much for that!!
Out of 70? All the merit scores I was reading, people were saying they were in the 600s etc and some were saying they were in the 120s or something...? Was wondering how can both of those scores mean good things! Lol
What's normally (I'm throwing this term about as in my previous post) the pass rate for IST?
No the 70 I was referring to is nothing to do with merit scores, it's the marks you get for your performance in the AC. You get marked out of 10 for each of the 7 competencies. These marks are added up to give you your mark out of 70 in the AC..
Then depending on how well you have done in that.. then you get your merit placing. So the higher you score in AC the better your merit placing. Hope that makes sense?
As for people having merits of 120s and 600s and both getting in.. that's the slightly more confusing bit! Obviously because of the 50:50 there has to be equal numbers of RC's and Non-RC's recruited.. So say you are Non-RC with a merit placing of 200, you think you would be guaranteed a place because if 440 places are available, 220 would have to be recruited from both community backgrounds.. BUT - if there are only 180 RC candidates who have successfully made it to the merit pool then only 180 Non-RC would be offered a place, and therefore your merit of 200 actually wouldn't be good enough.
And you will have read about people with merits of 600 to even 900 getting places because the majority of people with the better/lower merit scores will be from a different community background. Sorry I know that's alot to take in and try and understand, was difficult trying to explain it so hope it makes sense!0 -
wannabe2010 wrote: »Thanks very much for that!!
Out of 70? All the merit scores I was reading, people were saying they were in the 600s etc and some were saying they were in the 120s or something...? Was wondering how can both of those scores mean good things! Lol
What's normally (I'm throwing this term about as in my previous post) the pass rate for IST?
The merit list is calculated by using the scores from the AC. If the highest score was say 65 out of 70 then they would be number 1 on the list etc. Therefore the lower your merit list is is 1,50,100 then the better it is. If say 10 people all score 60 out of 70 in the AC then they go back to the IST score and rate them that way. I believe the top 1000 AC scores go into the merit pool. Then the PSNI offer places in merit based on your religious persuasion. ALL IS SUBJECT to vetting approval obviously.
For C15 the IST pass score was 55. I believe it has been higher on previous campaigns so we cannot say what it will be for the current campaign. Better to just score as highly as possible and then if your AC score is tied, you wll be higher up the merit list.
Hope this all makes sense.0 -
Also, from what I hear and read, if you are Non-RC you need to be getting a merit placing in the 100-200s or below, and for RC anything up to 800s, to be in with a good chance. This can obviously change from year to year. And also alot of it is also to do with vetting. I'm sure someone will correct me if Im wrong!
And also I'm sorry I just re-read your original post and think you were asking about pass marks for IST, and I fully went off on one about the AC! So just to clarify it is the AC that is marked out of 70, and the IST out of 75. And as Rio2009 and Misterjay said, the pass mark for the IST last year was 55/75.0 -
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P.S. on a completely unrelated note, has anyone ever been water bombed by complete [EMAIL="!*@!"$%"]!*@!"$%[/EMAIL] hanging out a 1st floor window? What can I do about it cuz it's just not on! :mad: Got one thrown at me on my way back from Ju Jitsu but I knew they were gunna do it so I side stepped it, easy peasy lol. Then I proceeded to stare at them, at which point they started to get quite scared and closed the windows and turned off the lights lmao; didn't realise my stare was that effective 0
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wannabe2010 wrote: »Is anyone else getting really freaked out about all the car bombs lately? And wishing that you didn't want to do this job lol
Absolutely not!!! You could die driving to work this morning or walking to the shops or whatever. Personally I'm not afraid of that happening to me if I got in. You would have to be very vigilante and there is only so much you can do. If dissident republicans want to kill police officers, as it has been said before they only have to get lucky once. The PSNI have to be lucky all the time. I have no doubt that more officers will be injured or killed by people opposed to the peace process and it's a sad way to look at things, but republicanism will always be around and thats a fact. Yes its quite frightening but if you want to do this job you will have to live with that as well as your family. Sorry rant over:):) 0 -
Absolutely not!!! You could die driving to work this morning or walking to the shops or whatever. Personally I'm not afraid of that happening to me if I got in. You would have to be very vigilante and there is only so much you can do. If dissident republicans want to kill police officers, as it has been said before they only have to get lucky once. The PSNI have to be lucky all the time. I have no doubt that more officers will be injured or killed by people opposed to the peace process and it's a sad way to look at things, but republicanism will always be around and thats a fact. Yes its quite frightening but if you want to do this job you will have to live with that as well as your family. Sorry rant over:):)
I agree. Sadly, its a part of the job but as bifbert said u gotta be vigilant. Someone else said here that you cant let the worry take over your life but you cant become complacent. Do what you will get trained to do and you should be fine!
However, if your non rc and your merit is higher than mine I think you should definately drop out (bit of humour).0 -
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