Rock and Jazz

mike65

The 'Prog for life' thread got me thinking - do those who like extended intrumental rockin' also have a thing for jazz esp of the improvised post-bop era as almost derfined by Miles Davis but also taking many others from Herbie Hanock to Weather Report to Sun Ra.

I must admit to, and my hard rock choices also tend to improv madness - Deep Purple being a good example with 20/30 min versions of Wring That Neck to be found about the place.

Is it just self-indulgent twaddle (the NME view) or is about the "groove" and "space" that allows the listener drift off into imagined worlds of perfectly judged guitar/keyboard solos and platform heeled Space babes from Planet Tightass. Sorry, dunno what came over me there :cool:

Mike.

nyarlothothep

definitely the latter. I like instrumental acid jazz. There is probably a link in that both genres use improvisation and musical journeys. The NME is full of sh1t. Ok some of it could be **** but there needs to be more guitar solos and self indulgence, not less!

Doctor J

If Bob Dylan recited poetry for 20 minutes fad-mags like the one mentioned above would shower him with praise. If Richie Blackmore solos for 20 minutes it's self indulgent. I am of the opinion that a skilful instrumentalist is just as valid at expressing themselves through their instrument as a vocalist is through words.

The secret to success is to listen to music and ignore music journalists.

mike65

I wish I hadn't mentioned the NME now!

Mike.

MoominPapa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMTPQVOWCiU

mike65

12/17 time, Nice!

Mike.

nyarlothothep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8YLDb2hiLU

mars volta is pretty much jazz rock for songs like this

christophicus

Gotta say I really liked the music on that Mars Volta vid, can't stand the vocals though.

nyarlothothep

yar the vocals in that song are very monotonal

damonjewel

Ha ha went to post the Spinal Tap Jazz Oddysey and seen I was beaten to it.

But I suppose when most people think Jazz and Rock they think of this kind of stuff. Lets face it is a very acquired taste, and very hit and miss.

Take for example from German Kosmische\Krautrock music you have Agitation free which are blissful, Faust which is very avant garde, and Kraan who are so Muzak Jazzy it could be heard being played in an elevator, and Dyzan who are from another planet.

I bought Frank Zappa's shut up and play yer guitar box set years ago and only now able to get my head around it.

Another notable band well worth a mention is is Mahavishnu Orchestra.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXcMk6OG1Xc

Here are the brilliant Agitation free

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRNe50ymFfw

And if you want a laugh here's Kraan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t12HTux0bIQ

mike65

Agitation Free pretty good.

Mike.