Guards driving your car?

delly

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I stand corrected Fozzie Bear.

*cough cough*

Alun

It's one thing being allowed to do it, and another completely different thing actually being capable of it. From what I've seen of some modern truck cockpits, you'd be hard pressed to even figure out how to start the damn thing, let alone get it moving in a safe and smooth manner if all you were used to was a standard car.

Frank the Manc

a garda, to be legally insured to drive your car to the impound must be in posession of a retrieval warrant, i.e. permission from his super or higher.

you do not have to give your keys to the garda, you simply lock the the door and put them in your pocket, advise the garda that you do not give him permission to drive the car and that you want it towed by a professional, who is competant to carry out same.

youre getting charged the €125 regardless of whether its towed or driven by the garda so why make his life any easier, hes certainy not making yours any.

cars can be seized for tax being out of date by 30 days or more or an expired NCT, unsure of any time scales, but as usual its almost entirely at the guards discretion.

_feedback_

toco123 wrote: »

By the way is it legal so for a guard to use her mobile phone while driving through a town such as Fermoy?

I've done a bit of research in to that for you, and it is illegal for a Garda to use her phone while driving, in the following cork Townlands:

Ballycotton Ballylickey Ballinascarthy Ballinhassig Ballinspittle Ballydehob Ballygarvan Baltimore Bandon Bantry Barleycove Blarney Buttevant Carrigaline Castletownbere Castletownshend Castlemartyr Charleville Clonakilty Cloyne Cobh Cork City Courtmacsherry Crosshaven Crookhaven Dunmanway Durrus
Glandore Glengarriff Goleen Gougane Innishannon Kanturk Kilbrittain Kinsale Leap Macroom Mallow Midleton Millstreet Mitchelstown Mizen Head Monkstown Oysterhaven Ringaskiddy Rostellan Rosscarbery Schull Shanagarry
Sheep's Head Skibbereen Timoleague Union Hall Youghal.

Fermoy doesn't seem to be on it, bummer.

Wishbone Ash

Alun wrote: »

From what I've seen of some modern truck cockpits, you'd be hard pressed to even figure out how to start the damn thing, let alone get it moving in a safe and smooth manner if all you were used to was a standard car.

I'd love to see a Garda getting into a fully laden truck, with a four over four box and splitter parked on a steep incline and watch him 'confiscate' it.

Frank the Manc wrote: »

why make his life any easier, hes certainy not making yours any

The owner/driver would be making life hard for himself. The garda is merely upholding the law and would have the support of most law abiding motorists.

elviscostello wrote: »

I've done a bit of research in to that for you, and it is illegal for a Garda to use her phone while driving, in the following cork Townlands:

Ballycotton Ballylickey Ballinascarthy Ballinhassig Ballinspittle Ballydehob Ballygarvan Baltimore Bandon Bantry Barleycove Blarney Buttevant Carrigaline Castletownbere Castletownshend Castlemartyr Charleville Clonakilty Cloyne Cobh Cork City Courtmacsherry Crosshaven Crookhaven Dunmanway Durrus
Glandore Glengarriff Goleen Gougane Innishannon Kanturk Kilbrittain Kinsale Leap Macroom Mallow Midleton Millstreet Mitchelstown Mizen Head Monkstown Oysterhaven Ringaskiddy Rostellan Rosscarbery Schull Shanagarry
Sheep's Head Skibbereen Timoleague Union Hall Youghal.

Fermoy doesn't seem to be on it, bummer.

LOL

tdc

Sorry, someone mentioned earlier that if you get caught without tax/NCT you are not obliged to hand over the keys - you can just park it and walk. Is this true? Isnt it illegal to park a car without tax and/or NCT on a public road?

Wishbone Ash

tdc wrote: »

Sorry, someone mentioned earlier that if you get caught without tax/NCT you are not obliged to hand over the keys - you can just park it and walk. Is this true? Isnt it illegal to park a car without tax and/or NCT on a public road?

They meant park it awaiting towaway as opposed to giving the keys to a Garda. personnally I'd prefer a Garda to drive it rather than have to pay tow fees as well as storage fees

Captain Slow IRL

So, how come they can take your car off you if you haven't it taxed but can't if it isn't nct'd?!

Should the nct not hold precedence over tax? (road safety, etc....)

DublinDilbert

land9 wrote: »

So, how come they can take your car off you if you haven't it taxed but can't if it isn't nct'd?!

Should the nct not hold precedence over tax? (road safety, etc....)

We all know that tax / revenue unfortunately takes precedence over road safety

miju

yayamark wrote: »

Wrong your car can be impounded if the nct is out by a day or more

i doubt it as according to penaltypoints.ie it's not even active penalty points offence.

L1011

aidan.offbeat wrote: »

Has anyone verified if this is true? Especially with the 1 week clampdown on at the moment, someone MUST have tried it.

Clampdown?

I've hit a thousand miles since Friday now and I've seen TWO gardai - walking down the hard shoulder of the N7. And not one checkpoint!

Wishbone Ash

land9 wrote: »

So, how come they can take your car off you if you haven't it taxed but can't if it isn't nct'd?!

Presumably because tax is a black and white issue.

NCT is more intricate. You may have failed a test and therefore are entitled to a retest within 21(?) days. Suppose you fail the retest after making a lot of effort etc....


It's not as simple as paying road tax!

s14driftking

cars can be taken for no nct tax and insurance seen it happen dozens of times at meets
as for guard driving your car tat is totally up to u i got one of my cars impounded lately for not having an insurance disc displayed and i refused to let the guard drive it in the end they called a tow truck and i payed nothing extra

Wishbone Ash

s14driftking wrote: »

i refused to let the guard drive it in the end they called a tow truck and i payed nothing extra

Was the vehicle reclaimed?

Frank the Manc

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

They meant park it awaiting towaway as opposed to giving the keys to a Garda. personnally I'd prefer a Garda to drive it rather than have to pay tow fees as well as storage fees

youre paying it one way or another, so why oblige them.
if youve ever had your car driven by a muppet who really shouldnt be on the road then you'd understand.

land9 wrote: »

So, how come they can take your car off you if you haven't it taxed but can't if it isn't nct'd?!

Should the nct not hold precedence over tax? (road safety, etc....)

they can and do.

DublinDilbert wrote: »

We all know that tax / revenue unfortunately takes precedence over road safety

damn straight

s14driftking wrote: »

cars can be taken for no nct tax and insurance seen it happen dozens of times at meets
as for guard driving your car tat is totally up to u i got one of my cars impounded lately for not having an insurance disc displayed and i refused to let the guard drive it in the end they called a tow truck and i payed nothing extra

thats the only shots for 'em lad.

jimmycrackcorm

elviscostello wrote: »

I've done a bit of research in to that for you, and it is illegal for a Garda to use her phone while driving, in the following cork Townlands:

Ballycotton Ballylickey Ballinascarthy Ballinhassig Ballinspittle Ballydehob Ballygarvan Baltimore Bandon Bantry Barleycove Blarney Buttevant Carrigaline Castletownbere Castletownshend Castlemartyr Charleville Clonakilty Cloyne Cobh Cork City Courtmacsherry Crosshaven Crookhaven Dunmanway Durrus
Glandore Glengarriff Goleen Gougane Innishannon Kanturk Kilbrittain Kinsale Leap Macroom Mallow Midleton Millstreet Mitchelstown Mizen Head Monkstown Oysterhaven Ringaskiddy Rostellan Rosscarbery Schull Shanagarry
Sheep's Head Skibbereen Timoleague Union Hall Youghal.

Fermoy doesn't seem to be on it, bummer.

Law #1 of the republic of Cork.

s14driftking

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Was the vehicle reclaimed?

yes i got it back the next nite after i produced my insurance and handed over 125euro the robbing basta***

Bogger77

s14driftking wrote: »

yes i got it back the next nite after i produced my insurance and handed over 125euro the robbing basta***

Robbing what?

Maybe next time you head to a meet, you'll make sure your car meets the requirements of the road traffic acts.

Frank the Manc

Bogger77 wrote: »

Robbing what?

Maybe next time you head to a meet, you'll make sure your car meets the requirements of the road traffic acts.

fair enough you are asking for trouble not having your docs in order when attendig such gatherings, but it is just petty revenge by the gardai seizing cars like that, it has nothing to do with road safety.

how is the same car that was impounded miraculously roadworthy again, after the payment of a stealth tax sorry i mean release fee.

Fey!

Frank the Manc wrote: »

how is the same car that was impounded miraculously roadworthy again, after the payment of a stealth tax sorry i mean release fee.

Wasn't he refering to INSURANCE documentation, NOT NCT. How does that refer to roadworthiness?

And why couldn't the poster have had something in the car to prove he was insured? The onus at a checkpoint is on the owner to prove that the car is insured, NOT for the Garda to prove that it isn't.

Bogger77

Frank the Manc wrote: »

fair enough you are asking for trouble not having your docs in order when attendig such gatherings, but it is just petty revenge by the gardai seizing cars like that, it has nothing to do with road safety.

how is the same car that was impounded miraculously roadworthy again, after the payment of a stealth tax sorry i mean release fee.

For the those not quite able to read, I'll say it slower,
s14driftking should ensure when he's heading to a "meet" (aka cruise), that his/her car meets the legal requirments of the of road traffic acts. A car that is road legal, is by definition road worthy, a car that has NCT is not by definition road worthy.
s14driftking states that they had no proof of insurance on the car, by anyones leap of imagination, that car was not road legal.
The road traffic acts state that a insurance disc must be displayed, and even states where on the car is should be displayed.

s14driftking

Bogger77 wrote: »

Robbing what?

Maybe next time you head to a meet, you'll make sure your car meets the requirements of the road traffic acts.

wasnt going to a meet i was driving back to my house in waterford of a sunday nite was after reinsuring the car friday so was waiting on the disc for insurance had taxed it on line over the weeked so was waiting on the disc also before u shut the mouth of u should know the circumstances first

s14driftking

Bogger77 wrote: »

For the those not quite able to read, I'll say it slower,
s14driftking should ensure when he's heading to a "meet" (aka cruise), that his/her car meets the legal requirments of the of road traffic acts. A car that is road legal, is by definition road worthy, a car that has NCT is not by definition road worthy.
s14driftking states that they had no proof of insurance on the car, by anyones leap of imagination, that car was not road legal.
The road traffic acts state that a insurance disc must be displayed, and even states where on the car is should be displayed.

who said anything about a meet or cruise

Bogger77

s14driftking wrote: »

who said anything about a meet or cruise

Hmmmm....

s14driftking wrote: »

cars can be taken for no nct tax and insurance seen it happen dozens of times at meets
as for guard driving your car tat is totally up to u i got one of my cars impounded lately for not having an insurance disc displayed and i refused to let the guard drive it in the end they called a tow truck and i payed nothing extra

Yawwwn

challengemaster

He never said he was at/going to a meet, he said he's seen it happen AT meets before.

Read things more carefully, this is going way off topic anyway.


Are the Gardai insured to drive your car? I don't think they are tbh.

peasant

to be fair now, if you read properly, driftking mentions cars being impounded regularly at meets ...and in another sentence he talks about his car being impounded lately (but not necessarily at a meet) ..so there ...no reason to pick a fight.

Esel

^ Technically, not 'another sentence', as he didn't use any punctuation.

Slidey

I have been told that the Gardai are not insured to drive your vehicle on the road if you do not giev them permission to do so.
As for the poster that said his bro is a garda and has driven artics on a car licence, more fool him, i wonder what would happen if he was in an accident while doing so.
Gardai often do things they are not allowed to do so just cause he does so, doesnt make it right.
A while back i was moving a truck for the garage I work for, came to a checkpoint and the Garda claimed I was driving illegally as my trade plates only covered me to drive during buisness hours. He was wrong... way wrong. Took both the plates and the truck, wasn't mine so I wasn't overly bothered, but it had a 9 speed eaton box and from what i could hear as he tried to drive it away... well its a good job eaton 'boxes are tough

KELTICKNIGHTT

fozzie bear was correct,talked to cop i know in traffic and confirmed what fozzie bear said,but under certain conditions

yayamark

miju wrote: »

i doubt it as according to penaltypoints.ie it's not even active penalty points offence.

Under sec 41 of the rta a vehicle can be impounded for been a day or more without nct.

It doesn't matter whether its an active penalty point offence or not