More than 70% of 'No' voters thought a second treaty would be negotiated.

WooPeeA

Of course there won't be new negotiations! Who will spend another 2 years on negotiating the same.. And then maybe Ireland will say NO again..? No chance.

PHB

Some stuff can be changed, some stuff can't. For example, they can't force through the Lisbon Treaty version of the commissioner ruling through the open method of cooperation, but they can force through Energy policy.

That said, they can suspend our voting rights if we don't agreed to the reduced form of the commissioner as we agreed to in Nice.

nesf

lostexpectation wrote: »

getting the complete numbers rather then select quotes from various newspapers, i would find that pretty damned important.

Some more detail on the numbers for you: http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/index_en.htm (It's the top one there)

The EU has released the preliminary survey figures.

Hitman Actual

nesf wrote: »

Some more detail on the numbers for you: http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/flash/fl_245_en.pdf

The EU has released the preliminary survey figures.

404 Not Found. ???? Bad link, nesf.

nesf

lenny_leonard wrote: »

404 Not Found. ???? Bad link, nesf.

Just tried again there, they seem to have removed it for some reason. Odd.

axer

Does the fact not remain that Lisbon IS dead if Ireland do not ratify?

If Lisbon dies then of course something else will be negotiated just like the constitution was re-negotiated into Lisbon. Whats shocking about 70% of no voters thinking that?

Hitman Actual

axer wrote: »

Does the fact not remain that Lisbon IS dead if Ireland do not ratify?

If Lisbon dies then of course something else will be negotiated just like the constitution was re-negotiated into Lisbon. Whats shocking about 70% of no voters thinking that?

Yes, but considering that the general public seem to have very little idea of how the EU works, do you really think people were basing their opinion of possible negotiation on what happened with the constitution? The general public thought there would be renegotiation mostly because Sinn Fein and Libertas said there would be.

melekalikimaka

lostexpectation wrote: »

http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11579372

A telephone poll of 2,000 people organised by the European Commission found a majority of men voting yes, but a majority of women no. Young people under 29 voted against Lisbon by two to one. In other words, a 19th-century-style electoral roll, restricted to older, male property-owners, would have produced a handsome yes for Lisbon. But would that have been more democratic?

to generalise...i stress generalise, these sorts usually have the most knowledge on the topic, i'd rather the vote given to them then every tom dick and harry with a vote, making uneducationed decisions on our country bases on their fears and not facts

marco_polo

Bit off topic but here is a detailed analysis of the French Referendum on the Constitution, if anyone has time to spare.

http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/flash/fl171_en.pdf


Mostly concerns about the economy and immigration lead to the original constitution getting rejected. An intresting read and if the Irish equivilant is half as informative then it will be an important document.

nesf

Preliminary analysis of the Irish Referendum is up again: http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/flash/fl_245_en.pdf

Edit:

From a brief glance at it, some interesting points:

a) Massive age bias between the camps.

b) No rural/urban divide in voters, proportions were similar on both sides.

c) Manual labourers voted No but the unemployed were equally split (interesting?).

d) Large problems in identifying what actually was at stake with this treaty towards the end, there were a lot of issues that weren't really on the table that came up for both the Yes and No camps.


Interesting reading imho.

ShooterSF

Very interesting read, though again I'd like to see the wording of the questions in print as well but I guess these are still preliminary results. Thought the unemployed no vote would have been higher to be honest!

VoidStarNull

I think the wording of the questions is actually there, in small print underneath each of the charts.