Race-baiting

gogglebok

esel wrote: »

^ Best stay out of the Humour forum too.

Ouch!

Gran Hermano

gogglebok wrote: »

Man, it's not about opinions. It's about whether we call people spades and ****.

It's about PC liberals getting offended on behalf of people who they
feel might or should be offended. let those 'offended speak for themselves.
I find it insulting and a tad patronising/paternalistic that white middle class
people feel they must fight the racism and oppression they imagine is around them. (OP, I am referring in general terms and not just directly to you).

Here's an example of PC do gooders overdoing it:

Why nitty gritty has been ruled a no-no in the police lexicon

• Nick Hopkins, crime correspondent
• The Guardian,
• Wednesday May 15 2002

Politically incorrect phrases that could lead to police officers facing disciplinary action include "nitty gritty" and "good egg", a conference was told yesterday. The issue was raised when Home Office minister, John Denham, used nitty gritty during a question session with delegates from the Police Federation of England and Wales
Mr Denham was reproached by the audience, who pointed out the phrase had been effectively banned by some forces, including the Metropolitan police, because it is thought to originate in the 18th century slave trade. "If I used nitty gritty I would face a disciplinary charge," said PC Chris Jefford, who challenged the minister.
Mr Denham's admission that he was "not aware" it could cause offence led to a chorus of "It's banned" from the floor.
"Good egg" is deemed to be too closely associated with "egg and spoon" - rhyming slang for "coon".
PC David Nixon, who advises Met officers on disciplinary matters, said there was no list of banned phrases, but officers could face a charge of breaching "tolerance" codes if anyone complained. "It is a subjective test."
The Met said yesterday that no officers had faced disciplinary charges for using nitty gritty or good egg, but confirmed it urged staff to "make sure the language they use would not cause offence."

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MIN2511 wrote: »

Sorry but correct me if i am wrong, boards is a diverse site. We can't have the same opinions, i don't see anything wrong with that thread.

People need to lighten up about the whole racism issue, i believe racism these days = ignorance, uneducation.
I don't see any problem taking digs at people(Polish, Roma Gypsies, Bloody brits, Chinese or Indians), if that's the case then we are all racists because i bet you most of us have made snide remarks about people of different nationalities and races.

What the hell would you know about it anyway

MIN2511

DesF wrote: »

What the hell would you know about it anyway

Considering I is black DesF hehehe

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MIN2511 wrote: »

Considering I is black DesF hehehe

I knew that.

MIN2511

DesF wrote: »

I knew that.

I know you know that

gogglebok wrote: »

Man, it's not about opinions. It's about whether we call people spades and ****.

Am a lady:)

Seriously, aren't you going OTT now?

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MIN2511 wrote: »

I know you know that

I thought you knew I knew alright

MIN2511 wrote: »

Am a lady:)

Knew that too. :pac:

MIN2511 wrote: »

Seriously, aren't you going OTT now?

Yes.

CivilServant

Gran Hermano wrote: »

It's about PC liberals getting offended on behalf of people who they
feel might or should be offended. let those 'offended speak for themselves.
I find it insulting and a tad patronising/paternalistic that white middle class
people feel they must fight the racism and oppression they imagine is around them. (OP, I am referring in general terms and not just directly to you).

Here's an example of PC do gooders overdoing it:

Well good egg is a bit of stretch to link up.

Niggardly or niggards contains the word niggar in it so I doubt anyone on the planet who hears that word would think of stingy first. Most would probably not know what it means. I can say I never heard of the word before till I saw that thread.

Earthhorse

Warning: May not be safe for work due to use of the 'n' word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IYx4Bc6_eE

orestes

MIN2511 wrote: »

Sorry but correct me if i am wrong, boards is a diverse site. We can't have the same opinions, i don't see anything wrong with that thread.

People need to lighten up about the whole racism issue, i believe racism these days = ignorance, uneducation.
I don't see any problem taking digs at people(Polish, Roma Gypsies, Bloody brits, Chinese or Indians), if that's the case then we are all racists because i bet you most of us have made snide remarks about people of different nationalities and races.

Ok, our token black member said it's cool so that should be the end of it

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orestes wrote: »

Ok, our token black member said it's cool so that should be the end of it

:eek::D

Dude, I PMd you a while back, did you get it at all?

MIN2511

CivilServant wrote: »

Well good egg is a bit of stretch to link up.

Niggardly or niggards contains the word niggar in it so I doubt anyone on the planet who hears that word would think of stingy first. Most would probably not know what it means. I can say I never heard of the word before till I saw that thread.

Hold on a sec

How many people use that words with their mates? Ehn... the other day i had this little girl screaming blackie and ****** at me... I LMAO because her and blamed education as the issue behind her outburst

orestes wrote: »

Ok, our token black member said it's cool so that should be the end of it

Apparently i am not black anymore:(



gogglebok; i think you are overthinking

gogglebok

Interesting article, Gran Hermano. Let's step back from our positions for a moment and read it with a bit of scepticism.

If police forces ban the use of words like nitty-gritty or phrases like good egg, then they are obviously insane. On the other hand:

1. The article acknowledges that this has never happened.
2. An unnamed source, evidently a policeman, says that the Met has banned "nitty-gritty".
3. The Met denies this.
4. No-one has been charged with anything for saying "nitty-gritty" or "good egg".

Now look at the context, including the finding of "institutional racism" among the police force in the Lawwrence enquiry, and a history of racism in the British police force - not least against the Irish, but probably most among black people.

Is there not the tiniest possibility that the audience were baiting the minister? That some policemen felt a bit sullen and trumped up a little squirt of bull**** to impress the Daily Mail? (Or Guardian in this case: twats.)

Is "egg and spoon" rhyming slang for coon? I've never heard it before, but the police themselves seem to think so. Now imagine one of the less reputable members of the British police force interrogating a black suspect. Is it too hard to see him overusing the word "egg"? Just like one of the pinheads cited earlier might gigglingly use the word "niggardly" around black people?

Apply a bit of critical reading, for god's sake. Mine isn't the only interpretation, and there may well be an over-zealous git in the Met's race relations office. But once again:

1. No list of banned words.
2. No charges for using the words specified.
3. The strongest official injunction against anyone is a caution to "avoid giving offence."
4. Even that isn't against anyone specific.

Where exactly are the PC do-gooders here? What exactly do you disagree with?

CivilServant

MIN2511 wrote: »

Hold on a sec

How many people use that words with their mates? Ehn... the other day i had this little girl screaming blackie and ****** at me... I LMAO because her and blamed education as the issue behind her outburst


Apparently i am not black anymore:(



gogglebok; i think you are overthinking

What? Your mates use the n word to you?!

gogglebok

MIN2511 wrote: »

gogglebok; i think you are overthinking

I don't think a dislike of terms like spade and ****** is all that intellectually acrobatic, is it? Fair play to you for laughing off the racism you were subjected to. That doesn't make it alright.

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CivilServant wrote: »

What? Your mates use the n word to you?!

You know what.

I know a young lad, 17/18 years old, and he said there is are some black fellas in his class, they call each other it, and so do the white lads.

It has no racist undertones, as far as I can tell, in that situation.

orestes

DesF wrote: »

:eek::D

Dude, I PMd you a while back, did you get it at all?

Nope, don't think so man. Just had a trawl through my inbox there and couldn't see it I'm afraid

MIN2511 wrote: »

Apparently i am not black anymore:(

Apparently?

Is there no way for you to check?

gogglebok wrote: »

I don't think a dislike of terms like spade and ****** is all that intellectually acrobatic, is it? Fair play to you for laughing off the racism you were subjected to. That doesn't make it alright.

So you are offended on her behalf even though she isn't offended?

Do you know better than people what should and shouldn't offend them or something? Nice one, now not only are you trying to tell us how people should talk, but also how they should think.

gogglebok

MIN2511 wrote: »

Am a lady:)

Seriously, aren't you going OTT now?

Eek. Sorry about the sex change.

One of the tags for the thread on AH was "spades". The whole point of the thread was to dance around using the word ******.

I'm not suggesting it was a cross-burning lynch mob or anything like it. But the thread was insensitive at best, and I still would like to hear an explanation of the thread tags and why they're acceptable.

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gogglebok wrote: »

Eek. Sorry about the sex change.

One of the tags for the thread on AH was "spades". The whole point of the thread was to dance around using the word ******.

I'm not suggesting it was a cross-burning lynch mob or anything like it. But the thread was insensitive at best, and I still would like to hear an explanation of the thread tags and why they're acceptable.

Are the tags still there?

Did Terry not edit them out?

Earthhorse

orestes wrote: »

So you are offended on her behalf even though she isn't offended?

She doesn't speak for everybody you see. Not even everyone who's the same colour as her.

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But surely she would have a hundred times better insight into the issue at hand than any white irish person, no?

Anyway, anybody who is offended "on behalf" of anybody else is, in my opinion, a nosey, pc do-gooder.

gogglebok

orestes wrote: »

So you are offended on her behalf even though she isn't offended?

Do you know better than people what should and shouldn't offend them or something? Nice one, now not only are you trying to tell us how people should talk, but also how they should think.

You are about the eighth person to tell me I'm offended. I haven't used the word once. I've said repeatedly that I'm uncomfortable with the entire tenor of the original thread, and that I don't like the terms ****** (however smirkingly invoked) and spade.

I'm not trying to tell anyone how to talk or think. I'm suggesting that the terms I'm referring to, and the jokes on the thread, might be a tad insensitive. They might hurt. Not everyone. Not everyone black. Not me. But they make me uncomfortable on boards for the same reason they would make me uncomfortable in a pub.

I have two questions for you, OOrestes, and I really hope you answer them. I'm not being combative here. I hope this is a conversation rather than an argument.

You've seen the thread. Do you approve of the word "spades" in the thread tag? I've said it was not "alright" for that kid to call MIN125 a ******, and that her laudable reaction doesn't make it alright. Do you really disagree with me on that?

Earthhorse

DesF wrote: »

But surely she would have a hundred times better insight into the issue at hand than any white irish person, no?

She wouldn't have better insight into gogglebok's take on it though.

DesF wrote: »

Anyway, anybody who is offended "on behalf" of anybody else is, in my opinion, a nosey, pc do-gooder.

You PM me the names of those nosey, pc do-gooders and I'll take care of 'em. Seriously, I will fuck their shit up.

MIN2511

CivilServant wrote: »

What? Your mates use the n word to you?!

Yes and No, and DesF not just my black mates, my white, Indians or Arabs.... And i don't take offence because they
do not mean it in a derogatory term

gogglebok wrote: »

I don't think a dislike of terms like spade and ****** is all that intellectually acrobatic, is it? Fair play to you for laughing off the racism you were subjected to. That doesn't make it alright.

Very true, she shouldn't have said that but am not gonna go mad everytime a little kid calls me a ******... Actually, it's not the first time; i have a thick skin and having lived here for so
long i couldn't be bothered. Not everyone is gonna like me or be nice to me-such is life!

orestes wrote: »

Apparently?
Is there no way for you to check?

I still am! I just don't talk/act black... A friend said it to me on saturday-pretty shocking

gogglebok

DesF wrote: »

Are the tags still there?

Did Terry not edit them out?

They were edited out, in a fairly pissy way, as a result of this thread. My point isn't that they were carved in marble and imposed on the world for all eternity. It is simply that they were wrong.

Not many people seem to agree with me. I'm a little taken aback by that.

Do you agree that the tags were wrong? Would you defend the use of "spades" and "watermelon" and "niggaas" in that context?

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MIN2511 wrote: »

Yes and No, and DesF not just my black mates, my white, Indians or Arabs.... And i don't take offence because they
do not mean it in a derogatory term

This is the crux of it, imo.

Take the power out of words.

MIN2511 wrote: »

I still am! I just don't talk/act black... A friend said it to me on saturday-pretty shocking

Heh. Stopped eating watermelons and fried chicken?

I was never really Irish tbh, I don't drink much guinness or eat bacon and cabbage.

wtf does "act black" mean?

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gogglebok wrote: »

They were edited out, in a fairly pissy way, as a result of this thread. My point isn't that they were carved in marble and imposed on the world for all eternity. It is simply that they were wrong.

And a mod removed them.

What else do you want?

Terry

gogglebok wrote: »

Eek. Sorry about the sex change.

One of the tags for the thread on AH was "spades". The whole point of the thread was to dance around using the word ******.

I'm not suggesting it was a cross-burning lynch mob or anything like it. But the thread was insensitive at best, and I still would like to hear an explanation of the thread tags and why they're acceptable.

I already explained that they were there because someone thought it was funny.
They are no longer there.
What more do you want?

Maybe the good folk here can go back in time and prevent anyone from ever leaving Africa, thus preventing a change in the colour of people's skin.*

Or they could try 2,000 year ago and ask Jesus to stick around and tell people not to use the N word.

Other than that, I'm out of ideas.
However, seeing as this is feedback, perhaps you could suggest an solution to this problem.

Also, I see you haven't objected to the tags on this thread.
Why is that?




*I have a scar on my finger and it resembles a flux capacitor and may be of help with the time travel.

orestes

gogglebok wrote: »

You are about the eighth person to tell me I'm offended. I haven't used the word once. I've said repeatedly that I'm uncomfortable with the entire tenor of the original thread, and that I don't like the terms ****** (however smirkingly invoked) and spade.

I'm not trying to tell anyone how to talk or think. I'm suggesting that the terms I'm referring to, and the jokes on the thread, might be a tad insensitive. They might hurt. Not everyone. Not everyone black. Not me. But they make me uncomfortable on boards for the same reason they would make me uncomfortable in a pub.

I have two questions for you, OOrestes, and I really hope you answer them. I'm not being combative here. I hope this is a conversation rather than an argument.

You've seen the thread. Do you approve of the word "spades" in the thread tag? I've said it was not "alright" for that kid to call MIN125 a ******, and that her laudable reaction doesn't make it alright. Do you really disagree with me on that?

I'm not looking for an arguement either dude, this is a discussion forum and we're having a discussion

Ok, you aren't offended but you feel that the thread was insensitive and made you feel uneasy. That's fair enough, but we can't ban/delete any comment/thread that makes someone uneasy. This is the biggest site of it's kind in Ireland with thousands of users. If we deleted everything that one user doesn't like we would end up with no site at all pretty quickly. My stance on the subject is as long as the rules of this site and the forum being posted in are not broken then everyone should feel free to post whatever they like, peoples sensitivities be damned.

Regarding your questions. 1) No, and that's why I reported the tags 2) No, but I feel that MIN dealt with the situation as ignorance should be ridiculed instead of combated or taken seriously

gogglebok

DesF wrote: »

And a mod removed them.

What else do you want?

An answer. Do you think they were OK?