Race-baiting

Earthhorse

Terry wrote: »

What more do you want?

If a tag can be traced back to a user and it's worthy of editing out then maybe an infraction for the user?

Also, a cup of tea would be lovely, cheers.

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gogglebok wrote: »

An answer. Do you think they were OK?

Personally, I wouldn't use the terms, but that's becasue they wouldn't enter my head when I saw the thread. I ain't no racialist.

I didn't even see the tags until you mentioned them tbh.

I saw it as it was, a piss take. So, in the context of piss taking, I don't know. Maybe they were ok, maybe they weren't.

Here. MIN is coming to the BGRH Beers on Friday evening I think. I won't be greeting her with "yo yo yo my nigga".

I probably will try to jump her bones at some stage though.

Terry

gogglebok wrote: »

An answer. Do you think they were OK?

I gave you an answer.
Someone thought it was funny.
Now answer my questions.

Earthhorse wrote: »

If a tag can be traced back to a user and it's worthy of editing out then maybe an infraction for the user?

I never thought of checking, but I didn't see any names when I was editing them either.

Also, a cup of tea would be lovely, cheers.

I have beer.

orestes

MIN2511 wrote: »

Very true, she shouldn't have said that but am not gonna go mad everytime a little kid calls me a ******... Actually, it's not the first time; i have a thick skin and having lived here for so
long i couldn't be bothered. Not everyone is gonna like me or be nice to me-such is life!

This is the correct answer

Terry

MIN2511 wrote: »

Yes and No, and DesF not just my black mates, my white, Indians or Arabs.... And i don't take offence because they
do not mean it in a derogatory term

Very true, she shouldn't have said that but am not gonna go mad everytime a little kid calls me a ******... Actually, it's not the first time; i have a thick skin and having lived here for so
long i couldn't be bothered. Not everyone is gonna like me or be nice to me-such is life!

All black people have thick skin.
FACT!!!

orestes

Terry wrote: »

All black people have thick skin.
FACT!!!

OMG YOU CAN@T SAY THAT IT'S RACIALIST!!!1111!!eleventyone!!!

Jesus Wept

I ****ing hate white people.

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The-Rigger wrote: »

I ****ing hate white people.

You would.

I see how close that name is to the "n" word.

orestes

The-Rigger wrote: »

I ****ing hate white people.

and I fukking hate the cookie monster

gogglebok

Terry wrote: »

I already explained that they were there because someone thought it was funny.
They are no longer there.
What more do you want?

Funny is not the opposite of racist. Funny is not a magic cloak that makes everything OK. What I've been trying to gauge is the attitude of boards to the behaviour exemplified by the "niggards" thread. You seem to disapprove of some of it, since you changed the tags. Can't you acknowledge that it was wrong? Can you go further and acknowledge that a thread which began with a ****** joke and identified itself by the tag "spades" is not worthy of the community on boards.ie?

Why did you change the thread tag to "happy now?"

Terry wrote: »

However, seeing as this is feedback, perhaps you could suggest an solution to this problem.

Delete the thread. Draw the contributors' attention gently to the error of their ways. Usher in a new golden age where it's not acceptable to wring cheap laughs out of saying "niggard" to black people.

Terry wrote: »

Also, I see you haven't objected to the tags on this thread.
Why is that?

Because it looked like a bit of cheapjack provocation. Because I don't think people in Ireland need much protection from anti-white racism.

Jesus Wept

orestes wrote: »

and I fukking hate the cookie monster

I find your monster-baiting highly offensive tbh.

gogglebok wrote: »

Delete the thread. Draw the contributors' attention gently to the error of their ways. Usher in a new golden age where it's not acceptable to wring cheap laughs out of saying "niggard" to black people.

The 'black bastard' thread was far superior, can't find it though.

MIN2511

I do not speak for all black people, i speak for myself.
The whole racism thing is OTT, and black people pull the "is it because i am black" line many too often and it's annoying i have to say...


It was wrong of the kids to do that but they did-end of story

orestes

gogglebok wrote: »

Funny is not the opposite of racist. Funny is not a magic cloak that makes everything OK. What I've been trying to gauge is the attitude of boards to the behaviour exemplified by the "niggards" thread. You seem to disapprove of some of it, since you changed the tags. Can't you acknowledge that it was wrong? Can you go further and acknowledge that a thread which began with a ****** joke and identified itself by the tag "spades" is not worthy of the community on boards.ie?

I addressed these points in an earlier post, one that you asked me for and then ignored.

gogglebok wrote: »

Delete the thread. Draw the contributors' attention gently to the error of their ways. Usher in a new golden age where it's not acceptable to wring cheap laughs out of saying "niggard" to black people.

Are you serious? And what do you think gives you the right to tell a mod what threads to delete btw?

gogglebok wrote: »

Because it looked like a bit of cheapjack provocation. Because I don't think people in Ireland need much protection from anti-white racism.

Ah right, you're protecting people from all the nastiness, how very noble.

gogglebok

DesF wrote: »

Personally, I wouldn't use the terms, but that's becasue they wouldn't enter my head when I saw the thread. I ain't no racialist.

I didn't even see the tags until you mentioned them tbh.

I saw it as it was, a piss take. So, in the context of piss taking, I don't know. Maybe they were ok, maybe they weren't.

Here. MIN is coming to the BGRH Beers on Friday evening I think. I won't be greeting her with "yo yo yo my nigga".

I probably will try to jump her bones at some stage though.

Des, I wasn't suggesting for an instant that you are a racist, and I hope that didn't come across. As I said, this is a conversation, not a slanging match.

The word "spades" in the thread was used without any reference to gardening, or cards, or the works of Dashiell Hammett. Its only reference in the thread was to black people. It was essentially the "niggard" joke with the camouflage of pun removed. I think your stance against PC, which I suspect we will disagree on again, may have drawn you into defending something here that you're actually not too happy with. (Later I'll tell you what card you're thinking of.) I may be wrong on that, of course.

Why am I still going on about the word "spades" after it has been deleted? Because it was used by the people who set up the disputed thread to describe the thread. I expressed concern that the thread might be racist, and of course we all swung into action, sifting the evidence calmly for proof one way or the other. I'm saying that the "******" and "tar-brush" jokes in the first post are uncomortably close to racism. Can I adduce the tags as Exhibit A?

AlmightyCushion

If someone started a thread about all white people being crackers, complete and utter nutcases. It would be the same as that thread (cracker being an offensive word for white people). Would we be here? I don't know about any one else but I wouldn't be in any way offended about a thread same with this thread.

orestes

gogglebok wrote: »

I'm saying that the "******" and "tar-brush" jokes in the first post are uncomortably close to racism

They were uncomfortably close to racism from your point of view. That last bit makes a whole lot of difference

gogglebok wrote: »

Can I adduce the tags as Exhibit A?

No, the tags were deleted, you seem to be having a lot of trouble understanding this bit

gogglebok

orestes wrote: »

I addressed these points in an earlier post, one that you asked me for and then ignored.

Orestes, have a heart. I am answering posts here at the rate of 58 words a minute. Tell me the number of the post I skipped, and I'll get onto it right away.

orestes wrote: »

Are you serious? And what do you think gives you the right to tell a mod what threads to delete btw?

Er, the fact that he had just asked me to "suggest a solution to this problem"?

orestes wrote: »

Ah right, you're protecting people from all the nastiness, how very noble.

Why that tone? I haven't insulted anyone, I hope. You can think I'm a priggish dick-nugget if you like, but that doesn't make my arguments any more or less valid.

AlmightyCushion

gogglebok wrote: »

Why am I still going on about the word "spades" after it has been deleted? Because it was used by the people who set up the disputed thread to describe the thread.

No, it may not have been. Tags can be added by anyone regardless of if they even posted in the thread. So the tags shouldn't reflect on the posters or the thread starters.

Earthhorse

gogglebok wrote: »

Why am I still going on about the word "spades" after it has been deleted? Because it was used by the people who set up the disputed thread to describe the thread.

Nah, the tags were added by one user, could have been any user. You can't punish the whole class for what one pupil did.

gogglebok wrote: »

I expressed concern that the thread might be racist, and of course we all swung into action, sifting the evidence calmly for proof one way or the other. I'm saying that the "******" and "tar-brush" jokes in the first post are uncomortably close to racism. Can I adduce the tags as Exhibit A?

Sure, the fact is there's probably a lot of jokes in there that are basically racist rather than genuine attempts at satire, I don't doubt that, but you'll need to report those posts on an individual basis like Karoma said.

Fact is the majority of posters on AH are probably racist, sexist (seriously, wait till someone starts the next thread about women) and homophobic, but there is a core of good users who kinda hold it all together too. You have to take the rough with the smooth and where there's ambiguity you just have to ignore it or else accept you'll be annoyed by it and live with that.

orestes

gogglebok wrote: »

Orestes, have a heart. I am answering posts here at the rate of 58 words a minute. Tell me the number of the post I skipped, and I'll get onto it right away.



Er, the fact that he had just asked me to "suggest a solution to this problem"?



Why that tone? I haven't insulted anyone, I hope. You can think I'm a priggish dick-nugget if you like, but that doesn't make my arguments any more or less valid.

Here's the post from earlier

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=56293374&postcount=90

Sorry if I'm sounding like a smart-ass, but you have asked questions and been given answers. You have then chosen to either ignore those answers, change the focus of your arguement or keep persuing the same line of questioning after a satisfactory answer has been given.

gogglebok

orestes wrote: »

They were uncomfortably close to racism from your point of view. That last bit makes a whole lot of difference

No, the tags were deleted, you seem to have a lot of trouble understanding this bit

It's my point of view I'm expressing. I don't think it's an outlandish one.

I have no trouble at all in understanding that the tags were deleted. (As I think you know.) I'm happy that they're gone. I think deleting them was the right thing to do. I'm pleased that this thread was the spur.

My point is simply that they prove the original thread was racist. Not unfunny. Not undeletable. Racist. Or, to put it as mildly as I did originally, very easily read as racism by a passing black person.

Do you genuinely not think I have even the tiniest hint of a point here? Do you really think I'm weird to believe that a thread which starts with ****** and tar-brush jokes, and identifies itself by the tag "spades", is racist? Because we may just have to agree to disagree.

Earthhorse

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

If someone started a thread about all white people being crackers, complete and utter nutcases. It would be the same as that thread (cracker being an offensive word for white people). Would we be here?

No. But you understand why that is, right?

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I don't know about any one else but I wouldn't be in any way offended about a thread same with this thread.

How many times does he have to clarify he's not offended? It's not about being offended but asking whether the content is acceptable.

gogglebok

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

No, it may not have been. Tags can be added by anyone regardless of if they even posted in the thread. So the tags shouldn't reflect on the posters or the thread starters.

OK, I didn't know that. Apologies to the thread-starter. That obviously makes my reading of the first post less certain.

orestes

gogglebok wrote: »

It's my point of view I'm expressing. I don't think it's an outlandish one.

I have no trouble at all in understanding that the tags were deleted. (As I think you know.) I'm happy that they're gone. I think deleting them was the right thing to do. I'm pleased that this thread was the spur.

My point is simply that they prove the original thread was racist. Not unfunny. Not undeletable. Racist. Or, to put it as mildly as I did originally, very easily read as racism by a passing black person.

Do you genuinely not think I have even the tiniest hint of a point here? Do you really think I'm weird to believe that a thread which starts with ****** and tar-brush jokes, and identifies itself by the tag "spades", is racist? Because we may just have to agree to disagree.

You're entitled to your point of view, but we don't all need to conform to it.

The tags do not prove that the thread was racist. They prove that a member of boards, any member/s, attached those tags to that thread. I could tag this thread as being about sunflowers if the mood took me, that wouldn't mean that it is. The tags were racist and were deleted. Like Terry asked you earlier, what more do you want?

gogglebok

orestes wrote: »

I'm not looking for an arguement either dude, this is a discussion forum and we're having a discussion

Ok, you aren't offended but you feel that the thread was insensitive and made you feel uneasy. That's fair enough, but we can't ban/delete any comment/thread that makes someone uneasy. This is the biggest site of it's kind in Ireland with thousands of users. If we deleted everything that one user doesn't like we would end up with no site at all pretty quickly. My stance on the subject is as long as the rules of this site and the forum being posted in are not broken then everyone should feel free to post whatever they like, peoples sensitivities be damned.

Regarding your questions. 1) No, and that's why I reported the tags 2) No, but I feel that MIN dealt with the situation as ignorance should be ridiculed instead of combated or taken seriously

My mistake, Orestes. I swear on my favourite testicle that I genuinely missed this post. As it happens, I agree with just about all of it.

I am completely on the same side as your policy about not deleting posts. I think we should always err on the side of freedom of speech. I began this thread with a hymn of praise for the moderators, and I meant every trilling note of it. I said the same thing about Karoma's "bad taste" post. I love the fact that the community is self-regulating. I am aware that I'm in a minority here, and I've been trying to argue stuff out rather than bulldoze my opinions through.

Obviously we disagree about that particular thread. I also think I've probably said enough about it, and it may just be time to agree to disagree.

[Sighs of relief echo in the homes of a grateful nation.]

copacetic

orestes wrote: »

Here's the post from earlier

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=56293374&postcount=90

Sorry if I'm sounding like a smart-ass, but you have asked questions and been given answers. You have then chosen to either ignore those answers, change the focus of your arguement or keep persuing the same line of questioning after a satisfactory answer has been given.

The OP has made valid reasoned arguments that personally make a lot of sense to me, much more than what you are shovelling. You've basically just been asking him to shut up. He hasn't been given 'answers', he has been given excuses and 'oh people like you are such pc do gooders, not you in particular, just people like you'

He has taken all the attacks on him with good humour and good grace, he doesn't need a 'right' to tell mods what threads to delete. He is giving his opinion. What gives you the right to just tell him to stop doing that? He isn't the 'one person' who has a problem with that thread. Loads of people would they just can't be arsed to complain or report posts or post in feedback because they know they will be attacked.

That thread should have been locked and deleted after the first post, leaving it open because it was 'funny' was wrong. Simple as that. However the thread is much less worrying to me than the attitude of people on this thread.

takola

Earthhorse wrote: »

Nah, the tags were added by one user, could have been any user. You can't punish the whole class for what one pupil did.

Sure, the fact is there's probably a lot of jokes in there that are basically racist rather than genuine attempts at satire, I don't doubt that, but you'll need to report those posts on an individual basis like Karoma said.

Fact is the majority of posters on AH are probably racist, sexist (seriously, wait till someone starts the next thread about women) and homophobic, but there is a core of good users who kinda hold it all together too. You have to take the rough with the smooth and where there's ambiguity you just have to ignore it or else accept you'll be annoyed by it and live with that.

Have to +1 this post.

I see where you're coming from gogglebok. When I saw the thread I thought "WTF :rolleyes:" but I just passed over it. Why bother reading something I know I'm going to find uncomfortable from the title alone?

Unfortunately the fact that I don't feel comfortable with it doesn't mean everyone else will agree with me. I agree with Earthhorse, a good majority of the posters on AH probably are racist etc but there are good posters too. There are going to be threads that will make you uncomfortable or just plain get on your nerves (if I see another "Irish Wimmin are <insertwhicheverinsultingwordhere>" thread :mad:). You just gotta skip over them.

The only thing you're doing here is banging your head off a brick wall and the only thing you'll earn for it is a headache. I'm confused myself as to what exactly you're looking for here. If you want the thread deleted it's just not going to happen.

copacetic

have to +1 takola there also and say that as much as I disagree with how this thread was handled, the mods of AH do a job I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy (except Terry,he deserves it). I can't stand to even read AH anymore as it makes me fear for Irish society, the fact that they keep it in any kind of shape at all is a miracle and takes a lot of hard work and effort.

gogglebok

takola wrote: »

If you want the thread deleted it's just not going to happen.

Yeah, you're right. To be honest I think I have changed my mind about deleting it. I'd be happy to see it disappear from natural causes ("A solar flare today left all but one of 35,031 boards.ie threads miraculously undamaged"), but deleting things isn't really the way forward. Debate and ridicule, as Orestes says, are much healthier.

Debate and ridicule. These are my two weapons. Debate, ridicule and a pounding Dickensian prose style. Uh, three weapons....

[ad lib to fade]

takola

gogglebok wrote: »

Yeah, you're right. To be honest I think I have changed my mind about deleting it.

Oh No! They've gotten to you! :eek: