Rip Offs in the Airsoft Adverts Forum.

silver haze

RoundyMooney wrote: »

Fucking hell!

So, lemme get this straight in my head. Not only with providing what is a free, and as safe as we can make it, place to trade goods, we have to be the vocal conscience of every seller who chooses to use either adverts, or the airsoft subsite as well?

You must be kidding, or trolling, because there's no way you can be stupid enough to believe that.

Surely.

It's as simple as this. The airsoft subsite is fundamentally based on the old FS/adverts rules. They are not changing, because as Lemming points out, they have evolved over an extended period, and are proven. (I'm sure he didn't mean to suggest that he could change rules off his own bat, because that's not the way we do things.)

I apologise to the genuine airsofters who nurture and support the community, both here and offline in advance-but to think that we, as adverts mods, are going to open the floodgates to the textual diarrhoea of every armchair expert, and quadruple our workload (at least), because some nimrod would be buyer can't do their own research, at the behest of some malcontents who constitute the biggest whingers on this site (toy guns obviously=serious business for some people, based on the amount of post reports that come in from the airsoft fora) is delusional in its stupidity.

all you had to say then was that you hadnt the man power to police the forum and i would have accepted that as its fair enough.

RoundyMooney wrote: »

By the way, we also have rules on profiteering.

The definition is my own, and I'm quite proud of it:



If something is, in your educated or otherwise, opinion, overpriced, then simply report the item, with a link to one you feel is priced fairly.

It's that simple.

i would have quite happily done that and left it at that but couldnt as i was banned by lemming quite some time ago and the ban has yet to be lifted.

Motosam wrote: »

Silver haze, you have no idea how much a p90 hi-cap costs then I take it.

Idiotic rot this, facilitating trolls, wheres OUR lisbon boards, to streamline the gtfo process.

in or arount €20, battery would be about €15, a propper one not some duct taped piece of shíte

Motosam wrote: »

You got it in two.

I read the airsoft ads, and I usually price these things myself.

I'm no mod, but I do know the cost of and value of an airsoft gun, and none of those threads have crossed the line.

An airsoft gun, with extra mags, and batteries sold cheaper than in a store in Ireland for all those parts, is a fair price, and the seller can be offered a lower price even, adverts rules works.

TBH silver haze, a discrepancy (imagined by you usually) of 20-30€ on a 200€ sale is negligible.

The original ban you got was for in thread arguing, and disregard for the rules, after a warning.

These subsequent "controversies" are merely your own inability to understand the price of the items sold, you have uncovered no conspiracy for a few euro, you have contributed nothing, and repeatedly insulted mods, users and airsofters and internet users in general.

It will be a fucking sad day indeed when you get to post in airsoft or ads again.

well id rather spend a few more quid and have a brand new gun, with a place i can go back to about if it fúcks up, then be conned with 5th hand gun, with botched battery and possibly defective hi-cap(from his previous thread in troubleshooting).

yeah go on and tell me im wrong, a new member was tricked into buying a 5th hand gun for over the going rate, and led to believe that it was purchased new at christmas, now it instead of being outraged like a normal human being , you see more fit to accuse me of being a troll.

i really have to ask what your motivations are here.

are you friends with gatling or something, bcause if you are i dont believe you have any business posting here defending that thief.
and that is what he is, he ripped that person off royally and is being defended to the hilt by his skirmish buddies.

i have as much right to post on airsoft or any other forum for that matter, unless i break the rules, in which case ill acept my punishment, as much as that galls you, i cant be banned for having a different opinion to your own.

i started this thread for a legitimate reason but it seem to have been hi-jacked by a small number of people who have "unfinished business" and hidden agendas.

i have mentioned no conspiracy here, and the only mod i seem to have insulted was lemming, by having a different opinion to him it seems, for which i was threatened with a broken jaw but thats another story.

i dont think i have gone out of my way to insult anyone in this thread.

also if im the only one who thought that that thread as conterversial, they why did it get nearly 800 views in just 2 or 3 days, a thread that is only 2 pages long.

oh i guess im just trolling again am i?

Stercus Accidit

silver haze wrote: »

are you friends with gatling or something, bcause if you are i dont believe you have any business posting here defending that thief.
and that is what he is, he ripped that person off royally and is being defended to the hilt by his skirmish buddies.

You are aware online slander is slander none the less?

A p90 hi-cap is 30€ or so, he is giving away two.

That "sh1te" battery is a custom 9.6 volt and specifically made to fit in a modified p90, tape is tape, the battery is a quality custom one.

I can only imagine what a loser you are in reality.

RoundyMooney

silver haze wrote: »

all you had to say then was that you hadnt the man power to police the forum and i would have accepted that as its fair enough.

Why would I say that, when it's patently not the case? I didn't imply it either.

Are we supposed to have five or six mods to a category now to cater for a problem that doesn't exist?

silver haze wrote: »

i would have quite happily done that and left it at that but couldnt as i was banned by lemming quite some time ago and the ban has yet to be lifted.

You weren't aware of that when you started the thread, though, were you?

In short, your comment above is at odds with your reasoning for starting this thread in the first place.

We welcome consistent feedback, but this isn't it...

Stercus Accidit

TBH I want to see this thread locked, silver haze has crossed the line, accusing people of threats, being a thief, generally insulting etc.

He has been borderline slanderous up until now, but the "thief" comment is pure slander, indefensible, and really should be the nail in this threads coffin, and his use of boards at all.

I have pm'd gatling so that he can defend himself, but he really shouldn't have to, this thread is not a funny feedback thread, its a vicious pack of lies.

silver haze

probably not as big as you, straight in first reply to any thread in the airsoft forum, day or night.:D

i am well aware of what slander is and its legal consequences, but it is only slander if it is untrue.
in this case it is in fact libel as it is not oral and has the potential to reach a wide audience.
again only libel where it is untrue.

my only concern here is an inexperienced player was exploited, simple as, defend it all you want but that is what it boils down to.

Stercus Accidit

silver haze wrote: »

probably not as big as you, straight in first reply to any thread in the airsoft forum, day or night.:D

i am well aware of what slander is and its legal consequences, but it is only slander if it is untrue.
in this case it is in fact libel as it is not oral and has the potential to reach a wide audience.
again only libel where it is untrue.

my only concern here is an inexperienced player was exploited, simple as, defend it all you want but that is what it boils down to.

You'd be amazed how hard it is to defend yourself in a slander case.

"Thief", is slander, you haven't a leg to stand on here really.

Oh I just noticed you implied I was a loser, sorry, a good job using a computer with enough free time to use the forum, isn't being a loser.
Being socially retarded enough to troll an internet forum to this extent, is.

javaboy

silver haze wrote: »

probably not as big as you, straight in first reply to any thread in the airsoft forum, day or night.:D

i am well aware of what slander is and its legal consequences, but it is only slander if it is untrue.
in this case it is in fact libel as it is not oral and has the potential to reach a wide audience.
again only libel where it is untrue.

my only concern here is an inexperienced player was exploited, simple as, defend it all you want but that is what it boils down to.

If my car breaks down in the middle of nowhere and the only mechanic who can help is charging 10 times what it should cost to fix the car, that is not stealing. It might be immoral, profiteering, exploitation etc. but it's not stealing. If I sell some unwary person a 1c sweet and I charge them a euro, I haven't actually stolen from them. I've just exploited their naivety. Why do you feel justified in calling the seller a thief? What did they steal exactly?

Make your mind up whether you're accusing the seller of exploitation or of being a thief.

silver haze

Motosam wrote: »

TBH I want to see this thread locked, silver haze has crossed the line, accusing people of threats, being a thief, generally insulting etc.

He has been borderline slanderous up until now, but the "thief" comment is pure slander, indefensible, and really should be the nail in this threads coffin, and his use of boards at all.

I have pm'd gatling so that he can defend himself, but he really shouldn't have to, this thread is not a funny feedback thread, its a vicious pack of lies.

oh youd love to have this thread locked wouldnt you?
like i said it is libelous, not slanderous, online remember?
iv told no lies here at all.
who have i been generally insulting to?

Motosam wrote: »

You'd be amazed how hard it is to defend yourself in a slander case.

"Thief", is slander, you haven't a leg to stand on here really.

Oh I just noticed you implied I was a loser, sorry, a good job using a computer with enough free time to use the forum, isn't being a loser.
Being socially retarded enough to troll an internet forum to this extent, is.

see above re:slander/libel.
im not too worried, the facts speak for themselves and i have an extremely good solicitor.

javaboy wrote: »

If my car breaks down in the middle of nowhere and the only mechanic who can help is charging 10 times what it should cost to fix the car, that is not stealing. It might be immoral, profiteering, exploitation etc. but it's not stealing. If I sell some unwary person a 1c sweet and I charge them a euro, I haven't actually stolen from them. I've just exploited their naivety. Why do you feel justified in calling the seller a thief? What did they steal exactly?

Make your mind up whether you're accusing the seller of exploitation or of being a thief.

right so i retract my thief statement, it was made in the heat of the moment, he was exploitative and profiteering. at least one of which is against adverts.ie rules.

your analogies are somewhat different to the case in hand, the buyer was not stuck with just gatling to buy from but the rules prevented him from being warned by others and there are others who are as unhappy with the situation but have not voivced their opinions publically

Dave D

You really are wrong in thinking that the gun was a bad deal. First off the cheapest p90 hi-cap i could find in Ireland is €39.99 and the cheapest 9.6v battery is €22 the one being sold in that thread is worth a good bit more.

TM FN P90 TR = 229.00
2 p90 hi-caps = 78.98
9.6v battery = 22 (just taking the cheapest price found)

That adds up to about €330 and that's not including the fact the battery is worth more and the shipping is not added for the battery and magazines.

Stercus Accidit

silver haze wrote: »

im not too worried, the facts speak for themselves and i have an extremely good solicitor.

If so I think you had better ask him if saying somebody is thief with no proof, or any evidence to even imply he is, is a smart move on your part, and to do so online where everything is well documented.

No, you're wrong again.

silver haze

Motosam wrote: »

If so I think you had better ask him if saying somebody is thief with no proof, or any evidence to even imply he is, is a smart move on your part, and to do so online where everything is well documented.

No, you're wrong again.

ah im not too worried to be honest.

so can you tell me then why it was that there was 801 views to that thread, which was only 2 pages long and about 2 days old i think?

are you goin to igore that question again?

i know for a fact that there are several others who are just as disgusted by the behaviour exhibted in this con sale

Stercus Accidit

silver haze wrote: »

ah im not too worried to be honest.

so can you tell me then why it was that there was 801 views to that thread, which was only 2 pages long and about 2 days old i think?

are you goin to igore that question again?

i know for a fact that there are several others who are just as disgusted by the behaviour exhibted in this con sale

I ignore alot of what you post

silver haze

Dave D wrote: »

You really are wrong in thinking that the gun was a bad deal. First off the cheapest p90 hi-cap i could find in Ireland is €39.99 and the cheapest 9.6v battery is €22 the one being sold in that thread is worth a good bit more.

TM FN P90 TR = 229.00
2 p90 hi-caps = 78.98
9.6v battery = 22 (just taking the cheapest price found)

That adds up to about €330 and that's not including the fact the battery is worth more and the shipping is not added for the battery and magazines.

are you on gatlings airsoft team as well?

well let me tell you that that gun and all working accessories could be obtained for under €300, brand new, with a legal recourse should anything go wrong.

but i guess knocking off €50 for a 5th hand gun is the deal of the year.

Stercus Accidit

silver haze wrote: »

are you on gatlings airsoft team as well?

well let me tell you that that gun and all working accessories could be obtained for under €300, brand new, with a legal recourse should anything go wrong.

but i guess knocking off €50 for a 5th hand gun is the deal of the year.

Prove it.

silver haze

Motosam wrote: »

I ignore alot of what you post

well then maybe you shoudlnt be on here talking shíte, clearly just sticking p for one of your mates.

i read everything that is posted and try to respond to every point raised.


now ill ask you again, why do you thing that there was 801 views to a thread with 2 pages of replies?

personally i would like to see some input from IAS Ltd and DR. Pepper, they obviously had something to say on thread but couldnt.....

Stercus Accidit

silver haze wrote: »

well then maybe you shoudlnt be on here talking shíte, clearly just sticking p for one of your mates.

i read everything that is posted and try to respond to every point raised.


now ill ask you again, why do you thing that there was 801 views to a thread with 2 pages of replies?

Which thread? *sigh*

Go on then, its too rainy to go out yet.

RoundyMooney

Jesus wept.

Doing your hobby of choice great service here, guys.

javaboy

There's a thread in Feedback about how pointless the David Hasselhoff forum is. It has over 500 views so I guess it must be a burning issue. :rolleyes:

Thread views mean nothing.

Dave D

silver haze wrote: »

are you on gatlings airsoft team as well?

well let me tell you that that gun and all working accessories could be obtained for under €300, brand new, with a legal recourse should anything go wrong.

but i guess knocking off €50 for a 5th hand gun is the deal of the year.

First off I never even met gatling and i have something like 16 posts in the airsoft forum and have only skirmished once. I wouldn't consider myself to know anyone in the airsoft community well. I'm just posting because i generally believe you are being a bit harsh on people saying that they are thief's as i do believe its a fair price.
You say you can get the same stuff for less than €300 can you provide links to theses items? I'm not trying to gang up on you i just don't believe that the sales on the advert section are as bad as you say they are

Stercus Accidit

RoundyMooney wrote: »

Jesus wept.

Doing your hobby of choice great service here, guys.

You condone the accusations being thrown around then?

Really, i'm out of line for saying gatling isn't a "thief" in his absence?
There's no question of his honesty, there shouldn't be, he has put a fair price on a good quality aeg and accessories.


I doubt silver haze even plays airsoft tbh.

Every forum gets trolls.

Edit: Actually on that note I'm bored, see ya silver haze, good luck with the campaign to expose the inconvenient truth.

The Master

silver haze wrote: »

well let me tell you that that gun and all working accessories could be obtained for under €300, brand new, with a legal recourse should anything go wrong.

Would you mind showing us where please?

silver haze

RoundyMooney wrote: »

Jesus wept.

Doing your hobby of choice great service here, guys.

im really not trying to stir it up here, im really not, i just feel that the wool has been pulled over the buyers eyes.

javaboy wrote: »

There's a thread in Feedback about how pointless the David Hasselhoff forum is. It has over 500 views so I guess it must be a burning issue. :rolleyes:

Thread views mean nothing.

well it does when its a specialised item for sale, with a mere two pages of replies, you wont see many threads like that in the airsoft FS

Dave D wrote: »

First off I never even met gatling and i have something like 16 posts in the airsoft forum and have only skirmished once. I wouldn't consider myself to know anyone in the airsoft community well. I'm just posting because i generally believe you are being a bit harsh on people saying that they are thief's as i do believe its a fair price.
You say you can get the same stuff for less than €300 can you provide links to theses items? I'm not trying to gang up on you i just don't believe that the sales on the advert section are as bad as you say they are

thats fair enough, maybe i over stepped the mark with thief, but it is profiteering no matter what way you cut it.

would you like your first gun to have have 5+ previous owners and not realise until after the sale that you could have had it all brand new from a shop for €50 more?

Motosam wrote: »

You condone the accusations being thrown around then?

Really, i'm out of line for saying gatling isn't a "thief" in his absence?
There's no question of his honesty, there shouldn't be, he has put a fair price on a good quality aeg and accessories.


I doubt silver haze even plays airsoft tbh.

Every forum gets trolls.

Edit: Actually on that note I'm bored, see ya silver haze, good luck with the campaign to expose the inconvenient truth.

again with the troll shít, why dont you just answer the question put to you instead of throwing catchphreases about.
at least back up your statements with some evidence.

i can tell you right now i have more airsoft guns and accessories under my bed and in my wardrobe than youll probably ever see.
i may not go to HRTA or the skirmish site your frequent but i play nontheless.

bye bye motorsam.

silver haze

2 spare mags = €44.79 delivered

1 battery = €15.83 or €17.99

http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.php?cPath=36&products_id=967
or
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.php?cPath=36&products_id=1199

charger, which im sure anyone on boards would galdly have given for free but here it is anyways for about €7 delivered

http://rsov.com/index.php?target=products&product_id=1418

that is a grand total of €299.78, including gun and delivery of all items, which are exempt from import duty as they are under €45.

any questions?

anyone still feel like the buyer didnt get ripped off?

Dave D

silver haze wrote: »

thats fair enough, maybe i over stepped the mark with thief, but it is profiteering no matter what way you cut it.

would you like your first gun to have have 5+ previous owners and not realise until after the sale that you could have had it all brand new from a shop for €50 more?

Ok I do agree that maybe gatling, could of gave more info on the gun in respect to its history, but arguing with each other is defiantly not the way forward. Maybe a guideline should be made for what information should be put into threads selling airsoft equipment such as how old the gun is, condition and stuff like that.

silver haze

Dave D wrote: »

Ok I do agree that maybe gatling, could of gave more info on the gun in respect to its history, but arguing with each other is defiantly not the way forward. Maybe a guideline should be made for what information should be put into threads selling airsoft equipment such as how old the gun is, condition and stuff like that.

exactly, thats all i came on here looking for, some sort of parameters set out to ensure a sale was fair.

i certainly didnt want to start a flame war but some people just couldnt look past what i was saying and got their backs up due to arguments or differences of opinion, that we had in the past.

Tigger

i don't like to say this but you definatly have a point not about the price
i bought this setup from airsofteire.com for 320 delivered without the battery and i was cursing that i had missed buying from gattling second hand
however
i would not have bought third hand or fith if your right about it

Gatling

silver haze wrote: »

are you on gatlings airsoft team as well?

well let me tell you that that gun and all working accessories could be obtained for under €300, brand new, with a legal recourse should anything go wrong.

but i guess knocking off €50 for a 5th hand gun is the deal of the year.

SO you want to kick Gatling do you ,well here we go then ,

cost of p90 6 months ago 220 euro no complaints about the sale then ,

package i sold included custom 9.6 battery -duct tape was added to protect the battery which under the duct tape is the original shrink wrap,

3 xTM hi-cap mags 40 euro each
included in the sale package was 3 ,

1 lo cap magazine

p90s rarely come up for sale ,i didnt even want to sell it ,

now if you going to accuse somebody of fraud i suggust you cowboy up,
come to my face and say what you have to say in person and not hide behind a keyboard

no team members of mine were asked to do anything ,involving a sale if ,
your research is very flawed and i reckon you were put up to this by other persons

i worked my ass off for the sport of airsoft ,pushing for new safety ,and promoting the sport ,

and im not going to let some jumped up ejit like yourself try tarnish my name for some verbal dioreea that you clearly suffer from as proved by your constant trolling ,now ive 2 choices in how to deal with you choose your option carefuly ,
starting a feed back thread and not informing the person your accusing of wrong doing
has limited your choice ,

so shut up ,its been proved your talking through your arse

silver haze

Tigger wrote: »

i don't like to say this but you definatly have a point not about the price
i bought this setup from airsofteire.com for 320 delivered without the battery and i was cursing that i had missed buying from gattling second hand
however
i would not have bought third hand or fith if your right about it

trust me i am right about it, there are others out there that can verify it.

weeder

Motosam wrote: »

Silver haze, you have no idea how much a p90 hi-cap costs then I take it.

Idiotic rot this, facilitating trolls, wheres OUR lisbon boards, to streamline the gtfo process.

Dave D wrote: »

The price for that gun does not include a battery, the gun being sold here comes with a 9.6 volt battery and more mags. If you were to include those the one here is a good bit cheaper.

exactly., also it was upgraded somewhat also and he didnt mention if anyone owned it before him or not therefore he did NOTHING wrong

OP i think you need to shut up tbh and as going for advising others about prices elsewhere it is tolerated if you factor in shipping and customs costs' or show said price from an irish retailer

take this thread for example
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055292635
i didnt get banned did i?

you sir are a grade A tool whom would be banned from any other forum for your trolling and shenanigans by now

if gatling wanted 500 euro for the P90 there wouldnt have been a problem(not that he wouldve sold it) , and if someone bought it they shouldve done better research, but in this instance a sale was made where gatling didnt make a cent of profit which is good for the community and shows his honesty.

i remember someone selling a free texts for life meteor sim for 1000 euro on the old for sale before sim cards got banned there, did he sell it for that? no people laughed athim, did he get banned though for such gross over profiteering? NO


he also told the seller that if anything went wrong with the aeg within 2 weeks he would foot the repair bill which he didnt have to do.


OP, dont let the door hit you on the way out, kthxbai

silver haze

Gatling wrote: »

SO you want to kick Gatling do you ,well here we go then ,

cost of p90 6 months ago 220 euro no complaints about the sale then ,

package i sold included custom 9.6 battery -duct tape was added to protect the battery which under the duct tape is the original shrink wrap,

3 xTM hi-cap mags 40 euro each
included in the sale package was 3 ,

1 lo cap magazine

p90s rarely come up for sale ,i didnt even want to sell it ,

now if you going to accuse somebody of fraud i suggust you cowboy up,
come to my face and say what you have to say in person and not hide behind a keyboard

no team members of mine were asked to do anything ,involving a sale if ,
your research is very flawed and i reckon you were put up to this by other persons

i worked my ass off for the sport of airsoft ,pushing for new safety ,and promoting the sport ,

and im not going to let some jumped up ejit like yourself try tarnish my name for some verbal dioreea that you clearly suffer from as proved by your constant trolling ,now ive 2 choices in how to deal with you choose your option carefuly ,
starting a feed back thread and not informing the person your accusing of wrong doing
has limited your choice ,

so shut up ,its been proved your talking through your arse

well...well...well...the rat comes out from his rat hole.
yeah ill meet you lad, no fúcking bother at all.
ill PM you with details.

back to the issue at hand, how many previous owners did the P90 have then gatling?

the simple fact f the matter is that your little team changed its load out and you had to seel your gun, so instead of doing it for a decent price, you stung someone with it.

no has put me up to this, all i did was a little digging.

you claim to futher the sport but you decieved a new member, quite clearly im not alone in my views here, im just dont care about airing them.

weeder wrote: »

exactly., also it was upgraded somewhat also and he didnt mention if anyone owned it before him or not therefore he did NOTHING wrong

OP i think you need to shut up tbh and as going for advising others about prices elsewhere it is tolerated if you factor in shipping and customs costs' or show said price from an irish retailer

take this thread for example
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055292635
i didnt get banned did i?

you sir are a grade A tool whom would be banned from any other forum for your trolling and shenanigans by now

if gatling wanted 500 euro for the P90 there wouldnt have been a problem(not that he wouldve sold it) , and if someone bought it they shouldve done better research, but in this instance a sale was made where gatling didnt make a cent of profit which is good for the community and shows his honesty.

i remember someone selling a free texts for life meteor sim for 1000 euro on the old for sale before sim cards got banned there, did he sell it for that? no people laughed athim, did he get banned though for such gross over profiteering? NO


he also told the seller that if anything went wrong with the aeg within 2 weeks he would foot the repair bill which he didnt have to do.


OP, dont let the door hit you on the way out, kthxbai

if you were litterate enought to read my post, all prices included delivery and customs charges where applicable.

im sure that if the mods though i should be banned, i would be.
youre not a mod here boy, you may be on your pathetic little attempt of a forum with your little mate gatling, you can ban me there all you like.
get much raffic there lately???

was gatling honest as to the number of previous owners, no?

that is my point, nothing more.