Frank Warren and Joe Calzaghe...

cowzerp

It was his team that where talking, not steve's, anyway thats how it went down. no biggy, anyway he still fought barely any good names anyway you look at it, at least not in there peak, Eubank, and Hopkins only proper class he fought and that was at the end of there time,

also a few average lads like jimenez, reid and Lacy who's only famous this side of the pond because calzaghe talked about beating him so much! and a potential talent in kessler who lacks stamina imo at present.

akindoc

As for Collins Calzaghe, Calzaghe would have always beaten him.

Clazaghe might have even beaten a prime Eubank/Benn/Watson etc.

And I HATE Calzaghe.

But you have to give him his due in SOME respects. HE has fought nothing but ****e for so long in his career and deserves flack for that but the kessler/lacy and hopkins fights were good performances (Prime hopkins beats him BTW).

I don't feel sorry for Warren at all. He is one of the worst things to happen to british boxing. I hope Amir does the same and leaves him with his star, ALEX ARTHUR!

nacho libre

"Calzaghe Rules out Jones Bout"..."He's past his best. Roy Jones was a great fighter but he's not a great fighter anymore. He's been knocked out twice in his last five fights. I don't see how that's a motivating fight for me".....Joe Calzaghe 24/01/08

yet now a fight with jones is the best fight out there for him.:rolleyes:

Big Ears, he should have fought either Hopkins and Jones in their prime. Those two stand out. I don't think you can say Jones ducked him. Hopkins possibly did but i'd say it was more greed than fear of losing.

Cowzerp maybe wrong about the outcome of the fight against Hopkins but the close nature of the fight showed Hopkins would have beaten Calzaghe five - six years ago. i think you indirectly admitted this when you said Hopkins would have had a better workrate a few years ago. Nowdays he tires from round six onwards- as evidenced by his tricks in the later round over the supposed 'low blows'. I'm a fan of Calzaghe's boxing skills but i have to concede that cowzerp is right: Calzaghe never was tested against the very best in their prime.
It would go along way to answering his critics if he fought Pavlik. fair enough some will never rate him, but i think were he to beat Pavlik it would weaken the arguement of those who say he has never fought a top fighter in their prime.
Pavlik, aside from Dawson, is the most dangerous fighter out there now Calzaghe could face, no matter how it's spun Calzaghe is avoiding him

Big Ears

nacho libre wrote: »

"Calzaghe Rules out Jones Bout"..."He's past his best. Roy Jones was a great fighter but he's not a great fighter anymore. He's been knocked out twice in his last five fights. I don't see how that's a motivating fight for me".....Joe Calzaghe 24/01/08

yet now a fight with jones is the best fight out there for him.:rolleyes:

Big Ears, he should have fought either Hopkins and Jones in their prime. Those two stand out. I don't think you can say Jones ducked him. Hopkins possibly did but i'd say it was more greed than fear of losing.

Cowzerp maybe wrong about the outcome of the fight against Hopkins but the close nature of the fight showed Hopkins would have beaten Calzaghe five - six years ago. i think you indirectly admitted this when you said Hopkins would have had a better workrate a few years ago. Nowdays he tires from round six onwards- as evidenced by his tricks in the later round over the supposed 'low blows'. I'm a fan of Calzaghe's boxing skills but i have to concede that cowzerp is right: Calzaghe never was tested against the very best in their prime.
It would go along way to answering his critics if he fought Pavlik. fair enough some will never rate him, but i think were he to beat Pavlik it would weaken the arguement of those who say he has never fought a top fighter in their prime.
Pavlik, aside from Dawson, is the most dangerous fighter out there now Calzaghe could face, no matter how it's spun Calzaghe is avoiding him

Hopkins wouldn't fight him in his prime, the fights he took after he rejected $3 million made him far less money . It was Hopkins team who asked for $3 million in the first place, they only asked for $6 million a few days after $3 million was accepted by Warren .

Jones didn't duck Calzaghe, he just had no reason to fight him(Jones admits this himself) . He was King of the Light-Heavyweights(if you take the American view and ignore the 'Tiger') raking in loads of money and he said himself in an interview not to long ago that the risk didn't match the monetary rewards .

So there is two fights Calzaghe couldn't have done anything aboutt, his opponents made the choice not to face him .

Don't for that Hopkins isn't the only one who has declined, Calzaghe isn't exactly as sharp as he was a few years ago either . While a fight between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002 would be very interesting , the result is by no means a formality .

Beating Pavlik would weaken the argument and as I've said I'd much prefer that fight . But in truth there would always be someone else who he is avoiding , the fighter he beat would either be too old or not as good as they looked in the first place .

I think Kessler is a better fighter than Pavlik, I think Pavlik still has a lot to prove . Pavlik has never shown he can effectively fight off the back foot, he has been dropped a few times so there are question marks over his chin(yes he was able to take Miranda's power when Miranda was being pushed backwards) and also the only guy he has fought above Middleweight is Jermain Taylor who had also not fought above Middleweight .

Pavlik is totally unproven at 168/175 and thus Chad Dawson probably is the biggest test to Calzaghe right now . But despite being American , he's not a 'name' and isn't a HBO fighter so he won't get mentioned much in these discussions despite being a much better opponent than Pavlik for a Light-Heavyweight fight .

ODD-JOB

I think something that nobody has mentioned , and is very valid is the fact the Joe Calzaghe always fights at home ,.... with the rare exception Clazaghe is always surrounded by 99% Calzaghe fans .
His opponents travel from various parts of the world to make the match happen.
If it was a soccer team that never played away from their home ground then there would be massive advantages !!!
I know its a bit of an extreme comparison , but boxing in front of your own fans exclusively is a major head start for a boxer imo.

eagle eye

ODD-JOB wrote: »

I think something that nobody has mentioned , and is very valid is the fact the Joe Calzaghe always fights at home ,.... with the rare exception Clazaghe is always surrounded by 99% Calzaghe fans .
His opponents travel from various parts of the world to make the match happen.
If it was a soccer team that never played away from their home ground then there would be massive advantages !!!
I know its a bit of an extreme comparison , but boxing in front of your own fans exclusively is a major head start for a boxer imo.

This is a fair point alright. Boxing at home is definitely an advantage. Its hard to know how much of an advantage it can be, but I would say moreso in a closer fight where you have the crowd getting behind you, it would be a big plus.

ODD-JOB

Thanks eagle-eye ,

I think you're starting to bend a little

We'll have you hating Joe C. before the week is out

nacho libre

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/7525471.stm

I could see this coming. :rolleyes:

Big Ears

nacho libre wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/7525471.stm

I could see this coming. :rolleyes:

Warren did it with Hatton when he left, he lost that case(dealt with outside of court) too .