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orestes

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah.. sorry about the huge delay guys

Not your fault, boards was down all morning I think

jayhaitch2

My pick is made now. I'd actually been considering picking The Hurricane and Mighty Molly at first...but I'm not sure if they would be considered an actual tag team

But someone picked her and saved me the dilemma:D

Mr.Nice Guy

Two good picks I reckon. Hurricane and Rosey I had considered myself. I hadn't actually thought of Eric Bischoff although I think he'd be a good addition for a roster. Hopefully Furious-Red will be about soon enough.

ec18

Vince135792003 wrote: »

It wouldn't be fair to say (I probably shouldn't have said anything but being vague can be fun!).

I'd put your roster in the 5 I was talking about though in that at least up until this point, there's some really obvious matches you can make that make sense and would hypthetically draw.

Mr.Nice Guy

Another round of death, this. These odd numbered rounds seem to take ages.

Come on Furious-Red.

Furious-Red

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Another round of death, this. These odd numbered rounds seem to take ages.

Come on Furious-Red.

Done

Mr.Nice Guy

I had Kofi on my list. A good babyface mid-carder to have I'd say.

Furious-Red

i was torn between him and another pick but then i realised that i wanted him slightly more then my hopefully next pick

Bubs101

I would have thought it was too early to judge Kofi tbh what with him having only 20 or so matches but seeing as you said a relatively new wrestler, my heart jumped a beat assuming it was your chick magnet, the Miz, so I'm relatively happy. He is ridiculously over in fairness to him

Vince135792003

Done. Rebel Rock Chick is up next I think.

Bounty Hunter

Damn I had wanted Ultimo Dragon (WWE never used him right), nice pick.

Fozzy

Ultimo Dragon was going to be my pick earlier until I realised I could choose Liger, good pick

Danger_Dave

Some good mid card picks are starting to get taken . Hopefully this round will be finished by tomorrow night .

Fozzy

Just a question about the final part of this, it says now that you have to put forward three matches for your PPV. Does it have to be three or could you do a fourth if you've got a few guys left over?

Vince135792003

Yeah I plan on using every single person I have selected for the matches. In some ways, it's a better way of judging who picked the best roster in that you're having to use everyone you selected in some way.

Fozzy

Vince135792003 wrote: »

Yeah I plan on using every single person I have selected for the matches. In some ways, it's a better way of judging who picked the best roster in that you're having to use everyone you selected in some way.

That's what I was thinking. It shows that your overall roster has a shape that can work I think, and it's not just a load of guys thrown together who were the best available at the time. If that makes sense

Bubs101

Yeah but at the beginning not everybody knew that we had to create an around the horn type answer meaning some driftwood was picked. Personally speaking, I have never seen Rick Steiner wrestle a match that wasn't with his brother so at the time I thought I was getting one of my favourite wrestlers with a good technichal wrestler at the time. I didn't know I had to use him.

Tricity Bendix

Ah, here! Taking Ultimo Dragon and Billy Kidman as a team is surely a stretch? So we can basically take any two guys that teamed together?

Bounty Hunter

This is just a suggestion but id like peoples opinions on it:

The other draft thread makes for great reading/Viewing as it is essentially a description, picture and good Youtube link for every decent WWF/E superstar there has every been. A huge amount of time has been put into creating it by some (most) of the the regular posters on this board and will IMO be a loss when it enevitably dissapears off the top page of the board after we finish with it.

Therefore I suggest that when all is said and done we change the name of the thread and make it into the Pro Wrestling boards Off Topic/Ask a question thread. This like the draft itself is inspired by something from the Soccer forum (The off topic thread) but wouldent have to be just non-wrestling chat. It could also serve as a place for people to ask questions that they deem not worthy of there own thread. For example if someone who hasnt watched WWE for years is wondering what happened to such and such a star (which has happened) they can ask here. Or another example I was recently going to ask whatever happened to Earl Hefner but didnt thinkk it deserved its own thread however convieniently Earl then did an interview that ended up meaning a thread spawned here.

It would give a place for offf-topic chat, Questions to be asked and for the draft thread to be preserved. Could maybe even help the Mod, as it would give a place that off-topic wrestling posts could be moved to perhaps. Would be interested to hear Fozzy & MNG's opinion as MOD and draft organiser but if anyone has an opinion on weather this would be viable speak up.

this only a suggestion, shoot it down if you want. Personally would like to see the other thread perserved in some way and cant see any logical reason why it would get stickied tbh

Danger_Dave

b.ie curious wrote: »

Ah, here! Taking Ultimo Dragon and Billy Kidman as a team is surely a stretch? So we can basically take any two guys that teamed together?

I agree, Did we not agree that it needed to be a tag team in the WWE ?

callaway92

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

This is just a suggestion but id like peoples opinions on it:

The other draft thread makes for great reading/Viewing as it is essentially a description, picture and good Youtube link for every decent WWF/E superstar there has every been. A huge amount of time has been put into creating it by some (most) of the the regular posters on this board and will IMO be a loss when it enevitably dissapears off the top page of the board after we finish with it.

Therefore I suggest that when all is said and done we change the name of the thread and make it into the Pro Wrestling boards Off Topic/Ask a question thread. This like the draft itself is inspired by something from the Soccer forum (The off topic thread) but wouldent have to be just non-wrestling chat. It could also serve as a place for people to ask questions that they deem not worthy of there own thread. For example if someone who hasnt watched WWE for years is wondering what happened to such and such a star (which has happened) they can ask here. Or another example I was recently going to ask whatever happened to Earl Hefner but didnt thinkk it deserved its own thread however convieniently Earl then did an interview that ended up meaning a thread spawned here.

It would give a place for offf-topic chat, Questions to be asked and for the draft thread to be preserved. Could maybe even help the Mod, as it would give a place that off-topic wrestling posts could be moved to perhaps. Would be interested to hear Fozzy & MNG's opinion as MOD and draft organiser but if anyone has an opinion on weather this would be viable speak up.

this only a suggestion, shoot it down if you want. Personally would like to see the other thread perserved in some way and cant see any logical reason why it would get stickied tbh

Some donks would still create a new thread anyway no matter what you do..Good Idea bout the Off Topic Thread though

RebelRockChick

Made my pick, dez_warlock is up next.

Bubs101

I never knew Jerry Lynn had wrestled in the WWF, if I did I certainly would have picked him. Really good pick

Fozzy

Bubs101 wrote: »

I never knew Jerry Lynn had wrestled in the WWF, if I did I certainly would have picked him. Really good pick

He won the lightheavyweight title on his debut! He had a great match or two against RVD too. But I think he got injured then and wasn't on tv much

But like I said earlier, there's very few older Americans who aren't available to pick

I'll think about the off-topic thread suggestion. No need to rush into it yet

RebelRockChick

Fozzy wrote: »

He won the lightheavyweight title on his debut! He had a great match or two against RVD too. But I think he got injured then and wasn't on tv much

Indeed. He had surgery in August 2001 to repair a torn patella. He returned later that year but was released shortly afterwards.

gimmick

Bounty Hunter wrote:

it could also serve as a place for people to ask questions that they deem not worthy of there own thread. For example if someone who hasnt watched WWE for years is wondering what happened to such and such a star (which has happened) they can ask here

Like the below? It would certainly cut out the short crappy threads anyways.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=198773&highlight=QUESTION

Fozzy

gimmick wrote: »

Like the below? It would certainly cut out the short crappy threads anyways.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=198773&highlight=QUESTION

That last question seemed to have stumped us all

Bounty Hunter

gimmick wrote: »

Like the below? It would certainly cut out the short crappy threads anyways.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=198773&highlight=QUESTION

yeah like that. Have to admit ive never seen that thread before, but hopefully it would as you say cut out the short crappy threads aswell as preserving then other draft thread which in itself could cause much off topic discussion.

so the idea would be when the draft is done with to change the name of the other draft thread and create a hybrid of the following 3 threads

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=198773 Ask a question thread
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055253671 Off Topic thread (soccer)
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055322368 The Other draft thread

to make the Off topic/Ask a question thread which will have its first 10+ pages as the Draft.

Spongey1975

Bubs101 wrote: »

Yeah but at the beginning not everybody knew that we had to create an around the horn type answer meaning some driftwood was picked. Personally speaking, I have never seen Rick Steiner wrestle a match that wasn't with his brother so at the time I thought I was getting one of my favourite wrestlers with a good technichal wrestler at the time. I didn't know I had to use him.

I think we should use what wrestlers we want to use as long as we have a minimum of 3 matches on your PPV. That way some people can have 5 matches using all their roster and some may want to have 3 matches and leave some wrestlers idle. Having to use all your wrestlers may result in less quality matches just to squeeze them in.

gimmick

It seems the Kane unmasking was never answered properly on page 8 of that either.

Fozzy wrote: »

That last question seemed to have stumped us all

It did indeed, but maybe that was due to it being a stupid question?

Mr.Nice Guy

Fozzy wrote: »

Just a question about the final part of this, it says now that you have to put forward three matches for your PPV. Does it have to be three or could you do a fourth if you've got a few guys left over?

I'd be fine with four matches if everyone else is. It does seem that doing three would leave a few people left over.

Danger Dave wrote:

I agree, Did we not agree that it needed to be a tag team in the WWE ?

Well Vince said they tagged on Velocity. As we said to Bounty Hunter when he picked Tazz and Raven, if the person who picked them genuinely feels they ought to be viewed as a legit tag pick then I think it should be allowed.

The tag team issue has probably been the biggest one of the challenge. In hindsight we probably should have set a time limit of 3 months or so for any tag team chosen. That would have removed any confusion. As it is, I'd just have to ask participants in the challenge to try and make selections as fair as possible.

Let's hope we see a few picks. I'd love to wrap up this round tonight.

Danger_Dave

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I'd be fine with four matches if everyone else is. It does seem that doing three would leave a few people left over.



Well Vince said they tagged on Velocity. As we said to Bounty Hunter when he picked Tazz and Raven, if the person who picked them genuinely feels they ought to be viewed as a legit tag pick then I think it should be allowed.

They Tagged on Velocity ?. Once ,Twice ?. I mean Tagging on Velocity doesnt make them a tag in the wwe ?, They didnt have any storylines, feuds ? there should be some criteria even if were only making it now, considering some people still have to choose there second tag team.

Mr.Nice Guy

Danger_Dave wrote: »

They Tagged on Velocity ?. Once ,Twice ?. I mean Tagging on Velocity doesnt make them a tag in the wwe ?, They didnt have any storylines, feuds ? there should be some criteria even if were only making it now, considering some people still have to choose there second tag team.

AJ Styles and Bryan Danielson didn't have any storylines or feuds either. The way I look at it, if there was an expectation to see them tagging on Velocity then it's a valid pick.

As I acknowledged before the tag team issue is a problem. It's my fault and for that I apologise. It has set a precedent though and we can't have one rule for some and another rule for others.

There is room to abuse this area of the challenge and I can only ask that people refrain from doing so.

Mr.Nice Guy

To dez_warlock,

You have reached your limit of two tag teams so you can't select another one. Could you alter your pick please? Maybe pick one of the guys.

Danger_Dave

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Well Vince said they tagged on Velocity.

I was curious because i just never remembered them tagging in the wwe. and they only ever tagged in 6 man tags. If everyone else is happy to leave it. Then im happy , it doesn't really matter . Besides they did have a great run in WCW.

Vince135792003

Spongey1975 wrote: »

. Having to use all your wrestlers may result in less quality matches just to squeeze them in.

That's my point though. By having to include everyone in your roster, it requires a bit more thinking and is one way of indicating which roster is the best (not the only indicator but is one way).

Just on the Ultimo Dragon/Billy Kidman SAGA, I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass. I'm playing by the rules in order to get the best wrestlers I can just like everyone else can.

Rebel Rock Chick just took my next pick with her selection! Very good solid pick.

EDIT: I have checked the record books and they have in fact tagged together. Check Velocity history results. If there is a huge problem with the team, MNG can take Billy Kidman out of my pick.

Bubs101

Vince135792003 wrote: »

That's my point though. By having to include everyone in your roster, it requires a bit more thinking and is one way of indicating which roster is the best (not the only indicator but is one way).

If the PPV thing was said at the beginning I'd have no problem but it wasn't. Introduicing a rule like that now would suit certain people but I think it's a little ridiculous to bring a rule like that in in Round 7. A minumum of three with the roster being judged on the quality, not quantity would be much fairer in my view

Bounty Hunter

I would agree a minimum of three but if people want to show just how good their roster can be then they can have more and show how all their stars could fill a PPV with specialised feuds/matches for certain individuals even.

Vince135792003

Bubs101 wrote: »

If the PPV thing was said at the beginning I'd have no problem but it wasn't. Introduicing a rule like that now would suit certain people but I think it's a little ridiculous to bring a rule like that in in Round 7. A minumum of three with the roster being judged on the quality, not quantity would be much fairer in my view

From my perspective it would have nothing to do about the quantity of matches.

I just think that if someone can use all their roster up in a way that seems natural/exciting/not forced, that they do deserve some credit for it. Other wise, it can makes the last few rounds a little less important.

Just 1 small idea to throw out there too, what about a 24 period of trading where people swap wrestlers that they have? People could negotiate for 1 day, make deals on the thread and thereafter make their case for their roster. It could be fun.....and messy.

Mr.Nice Guy

Bounty Hunter wrote:

I would agree a minimum of three but if people want to show just how good their roster can be then they can have more and show how all their stars could fill a PPV with specialised feuds/matches for certain individuals even.

I think that's a good idea. People can have as many matches as they want but must have a minimum of three.

I wouldn't be in favour of having to use every individual on the roster for matches. Some people have chosen figures presumably for non-wrestling purposes, ie Stephanie McMahon, Eric Bischoff.

Vince135792003 wrote:

Just 1 small idea to throw out there too, what about a 24 period of trading where people swap wrestlers that they have? People could negotiate for 1 day, make deals on the thread and thereafter make their case for their roster. It could be fun.

Sounds interesting though I'm not sure how it would work in practice. How could we make that a fair system? I think if there's trades all over the place it defeats the purpose.

Vince135792003

I'm reposting this idea in case it gets lost on page 73 (or whatever this thread is currently up to):

Just 1 small idea to throw out there too, what about a 24 period of trading where people swap wrestlers that they have? People could negotiate for 1 day, make deals on the thread and thereafter make their case for their roster. It could be fun.....and messy.

Vince135792003

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Sounds interesting though I'm not sure how it would work in practice. How could we make that a fair system? I think if there's trades all over the place it defeats the purpose.

I think some rules would have to be in place like:

You can only made one trade in and one trade out (which I guess would be 1 trade) although maybe you could use up to 2 wrestlers to lure a guy you wanted. Just an idea.

You'd need other rules too, so that the thread wouldn't be completely clogged like: Each person could only make 1 proposition to trade and that it would be a simple "I offer X in return for Y" and the other person would simply say "Accept or Reject" which would cut out any bull. Maybe it's too complicated but it could be fun too.

Mr.Nice Guy

Vince135792003 wrote: »

I think some rules would have to be in place like:

You can only made one trade in and one trade out (which I guess would be 1 trade) although maybe you could use up to 2 wrestlers to lure a guy you wanted. Just an idea.

You'd need other rules too, so that the thread wouldn't be completely clogged like: Each person could only make 1 proposition to trade and that it would be a simple "I offer X in return for Y" and the other person would simply say "Accept or Reject" which would cut out any bull. Maybe it's too complicated but it could be fun too.

I think it's a good concept, Vince. I like those ideas. If other people approve we could implement it after Round 10.

Bubs101

You could do it by PM then announce completed trades in the thread? Good idea although personally I would support unlimited trades considering it's only a day

Fozzy

I'd be against drafts for a couple of reasons. I think that we've all had a wide enough choice by now that you can't say that anyone's had an unfair advantage. It'd also take a lot of negotiating to finalise a draft I would imagine, and we've already seen how long it can take some people to reply on some days. I just don't think that it'd get much done

Mr.Nice Guy

I personally wouldn't support unlimited trades. I think one of the more challenging aspects comes when you miss out on a target and have to go with another guy. I think a mimimum of one trade each as Vince suggested would be fairer.

Edit: I see what you mean Fozzy but we could have a 24 hour limit for drafts to be negotiated if people wanted.

Danger_Dave

Even though i could benefit from trades. I think we should not implement them, it takes away from the the draft process were someone picked who you wanted. Then it was back to the drawing board to create a brand that was different than you originally had considered.

Fozzy

Yeah. Maybe other people would see it differently than me, but the way I see it is that I wouldn't want to make any trades. I picked the guy I wanted most who was available on each round. There's guys who were picked ahead of me who I'd like, like Shawn Michaels for example, but whoever picked him picked him ahead of the whole of my roster, so why would they trade him for any of my guys? That's why I can't see many people agreeing to proposed trades

gimmick

I would also be against trades at the end. I like how we are picking our own rosters.

Has Dez Warlock made his change yet? Can ec18 go ahead and pick now? I reckon he should be allowed.

Fozzy

gimmick wrote: »

Has Dez Warlock made his change yet? Can ec18 go ahead and pick now? I reckon he should be allowed.

I just saw that he edited it, he's just got Super Crazy now