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Arrrggghhh!!! - FF Senator leads move to deny gay couples right to register

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    #32
    philologos
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    who is this wrote: »
    Sorry, here's a link to that poll.

    They removed the links to older polls from the new site so I had to find it by changing the link (and the site loads slow, so it was time consuming)

    Thanks for going to the effort for me. I didn't think it was that high. I do think it would require a referendum though.


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    #33
    Bottle_of_Smoke
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    Can anyone tell me what the difference between marriage & civil union actually is?


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    #34
    L1011
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    Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »
    Can anyone tell me what the difference between marriage & civil union actually is?

    In Irish law, there won't be *much* but its quite significant none the less. The civil unions bill covers most ground quite well

    Married couples have additional adoption rights (which could yet be granted) and additional taxation and other financial rights (which would likely be in the next Finance Act if they are to come in at all) as well as additional constitutional protects.

    They're also harder and lengthier to dissolve than civil unions are going to be.

    There is also the issue that the name gives a somewhat second-class status to civil unions over marriages - it implies difference when there really shouldn't be any.


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    #35
    who is this
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    MYOB wrote: »
    additional taxation and other financial rights (which would likely be in the next Finance Act if they are to come in at all)

    Well I can at least confirm this will come in (assuming the bill is passed)
    Department of Justice wrote:
    ...in relation to the taxation issue, I can confirm that changes to the tax and social welfare codes will be made through legislation sponsored by the Ministers for Finance and Social Welfare, respectively. This is due to the extensive and highly technical nature of the legislation required. ...

    I had to ask them since their "note to editors" claimed it was to be enacted, but it wasn't in the heads.

    Just to clarify, the question I asked was why they claimed to have tax in it, when it wasn't there. I just realised now that the above quote doesn't necessarily confirm it, except in the context of the question I asked (it just seems to clarify who would do it, when in reply to my question it was obviously a case of who will do it).


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    #36
    Annasopra
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    who did you ask? what did you ask?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #37
    who is this
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    I can't find the email I sent. But I did compare the reply with what I asked. It was the Department of Justice's normal email address that I sent it to. The quote comes from that email

    The question I asked was essentially (as close as I can remember) "... I noticed the 'Note to editors' includes a reference to 'taxation' rights. This aforementioned 'Note' seems to suggest such taxation rights are in the heads, yet having read the entire index, and searched through the whole document, I found no more than a trivial reference to taxation. Would I be correct in assuming that it refers changes which are planned for a Finance bill? If not, may I enquire as to what exactly it refers?"

    The notes I was refering to are here.


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